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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 22, 2023 18:02:22 GMT
And I was right. having the rights parent impulse your Oscar Chances.- Or being in a wildly popular film that sweeps most of the awards it was up for.
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Post by hugobolso on Mar 22, 2023 18:06:03 GMT
And I was right. having the rights parent impulse your Oscar Chances.- Or being in a wildly popular film that sweeps most of the awards it was up for. I haven't seen the film. But apperently the other nominee actress from the same film was much better.-
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Post by stephen on Mar 22, 2023 18:10:50 GMT
Or being in a wildly popular film that sweeps most of the awards it was up for. I haven't seen the film. But apperently the other nominee actress from the same film was much better.- While there is a vocal contingent who thinks Hsu was better than Curtis (which I definitely do not agree with), the fact is that Jamie Lee Curtis is well-known enough in her own right that she didn't win because her parents are Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh. In fact, there are a lot of people today who either do not know that she's their daughter, or don't even know who Tony Curtis or Janet Leigh are. Curtis herself arguably is a more iconic figure than either of her parents, and her career speaks for itself. She won the Oscar because she was in a wildly popular movie and she campaigned her ass off for it. Being a "nepo baby" got her the opportunities to get her foot in the door, but she's not been able to last in the industry for half a century just because of her parents. She did that herself.
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Post by hugobolso on Mar 22, 2023 18:19:13 GMT
I haven't seen the film. But apperently the other nominee actress from the same film was much better.- While there is a vocal contingent who thinks Hsu was better than Curtis (which I definitely do not agree with), the fact is that Jamie Lee Curtis is well-known enough in her own right that she didn't win because her parents are Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh. In fact, there are a lot of people today who either do not know that she's their daughter, or don't even know who Tony Curtis or Janet Leigh are. Curtis herself arguably is a more iconic figure than either of her parents, and her career speaks for itself. She won the Oscar because she was in a wildly popular movie and she campaigned her ass off for it. Being a "nepo baby" got her the opportunities to get her foot in the door, but she's not been able to last in the industry for half a century just because of her parents. She did that herself. Whats the average of the Academy voter, 30 years, 40 years 80years? the Academy increased a lot the number of members in the past years that could change the winners. However a still important number of members, worked with Janet Leigh and Tony Curtis in the past. Or were great admirers of both when they were childs. After all Curtis and Leigh were the typical Matinee Idols.-
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Post by ibbi on Mar 22, 2023 18:19:14 GMT
And I was right. having the rights parent impulse your Oscar Chances.- Has she not had the 'right parents' for her entire life? Yet zero nominations? More like she had the right movie, and she has been working in Hollywood for coming up on half a century, and has been in a whole bunch of classic movies and is actually a legend in her own right. Certainly more than her mother ever was.
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Post by hugobolso on Mar 22, 2023 18:27:07 GMT
And I was right. having the rights parent impulse your Oscar Chances.- Has she not had the 'right parents' for her entire life? Yet zero nominations? More like she had the right movie, and she has been working in Hollywood for coming up on half a century, and has been in a whole bunch of classic movies and is actually a legend in her own right. Certainly more than her mother ever was. One think doesn't exclude the other. For example Angela Basset who had more or less the same age, and has more or less the same success (well to be fair less success, but more prestige as being one of the first Academy Award Black Actresses nominated for an Oscar in a leading role. She had supporting but important roles in Malcom X and Passion Fish, and had succesful staring roles in What's Love Got to Do with It, Strange Days, Waiting to Exhale and How Stella Got Her Groove Back, before her career sucked, and only made supporting roles in big films: Contact, the Score, Mr. and Mrs Smith, Green Lantern, Olympus had fallen and sequel, Mission Impossible SAGA, Black Panther Saga)
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Post by stephen on Mar 22, 2023 18:31:59 GMT
While there is a vocal contingent who thinks Hsu was better than Curtis (which I definitely do not agree with), the fact is that Jamie Lee Curtis is well-known enough in her own right that she didn't win because her parents are Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh. In fact, there are a lot of people today who either do not know that she's their daughter, or don't even know who Tony Curtis or Janet Leigh are. Curtis herself arguably is a more iconic figure than either of her parents, and her career speaks for itself. She won the Oscar because she was in a wildly popular movie and she campaigned her ass off for it. Being a "nepo baby" got her the opportunities to get her foot in the door, but she's not been able to last in the industry for half a century just because of her parents. She did that herself. Whats the average of the Academy voter, 30 years, 40 years 80years? the Academy increased a lot the number of members in the past years that could change the winners. However a still important number of members, worked with Janet Leigh and Tony Curtis in the past. Or were great admirers of both when they were childs. After all Curtis and Leigh were the typical Matinee Idols.- The average age of the Academy voter is 64, which is (surprise!) Jamie Lee Curtis's age. Most of the Academy is either a contemporary of Curtis's, or who grew up being familiar with her work. There aren't many voters left who worked with her parents, and those that did aren't thinking of Jamie Lee Curtis simply as their daughter.
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Post by quetee on Mar 22, 2023 18:44:57 GMT
Just because we don't like someone"s performance doesn't mean anything. Better is subjective. In addition, we are not actors we have no clue their POV on a performance. Something that we think is wonderful may look like a piece of cake to them.
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Post by TylerDeneuve on Mar 22, 2023 19:28:11 GMT
stephen - I definitely agree that Jamie Lee Curtis is more famous than her parents with the general populace. In my experience, the only movie star of Hollywood's Golden Age younger people are aware of is Marilyn Monroe. It's a shame, but it is what it is.
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Post by stephen on Mar 22, 2023 19:33:51 GMT
stephen - I definitely agree that Jamie Lee Curtis is more famous than her parents with the general populace. In my experience, the only movie star of Hollywood's Golden Age younger people are aware of is Marilyn Monroe. It's a shame, but it is what it is. There was a photo that circulated online recently where Jamie Lee reenacted her mother's iconic shower scene in Psycho, holding up a photo of Janet Leigh for good measure, and most of the comments were some variation of "HOLY SHIT, THEY'RE MOTHER AND DAUGHTER?" Jamie Lee Curtis is absolutely more famous than her parents are today, and I would argue she's probably more famous than they ever were in their primes.
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Post by hugobolso on Mar 22, 2023 20:16:32 GMT
Just because we don't like someone"s performance doesn't mean anything. Better is subjective. In addition, we are not actors we have no clue their POV on a performance. Something that we think is wonderful may look like a piece of cake to them. Of course for several years, and not so long ago, actresses won just for being Weinstein babes. Subjetive came from objetive. For example except for a bunch of rich blonds, most of Academy voters hadnt seen Andrea Riseborough’s To Leslie. Even if she was the best. Its objective stupid to think she would win the Oscar (specially with the backlash). None one received a bullet in order to seen that film. In supporting actress 5 were nominated from at least relative popular films. 2 came from the same movie. One won. When more than 1 is nominated from the same cathegory usually both loose. Or wins the one with much better reviews. So apparently she didn’t want for being the best. She won for being JLC. Some argue from her career, others from her family career (including her of course). When there are no many difference between Kerry Condon or Bassett with JLC. We could said she is a fair winner. Is she?
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Post by Brother Fease on Mar 22, 2023 20:23:35 GMT
JLC was wonderful in EEAAO. Definitely one of those “out there” type of performance. She fit the tone perfectly. And as Stephen points out, her film was beloved by the Guilds and Academy.
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Post by mrimpossible on Mar 22, 2023 20:25:03 GMT
I knew of Jamie Lee Curtis before I knew her parents or wether her parents were famous at all. Did she get a leg up from average folks, probably but that didn't make her world famous. She did that herself.
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Post by hugobolso on Mar 22, 2023 21:15:43 GMT
I knew of Jamie Lee Curtis before I knew her parents or wether her parents were famous at all. Did she get a leg up from average folks, probably but that didn't make her world famous. She did that herself. Of course she is famous by her oemwn right. But not so long ago we joke that Tony Curtis was more beautiful than Janet Leigh. And Jamie Lee Curtis was the Ugly Ducky of that family. Because even she was a beautiful woman, she was eclipsed in terms of beauty by her mom and dad. Still I think Curtis seccond wife was the most beautiful of the family. An Austrian actress that died a couple of years ago.
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Post by Joaquim on Mar 22, 2023 21:36:42 GMT
Yea JLC is definitely more famous than her parents. While I think more younger, normie audiences could probably recognize Janet Leigh and to a lesser extent Tony Curtis’s most famous roles I don’t think they’d be able to tell you who the actors are, just something along the lines of “oh yea I recognize this image from that movie” after you show them a still from Psycho or Some Like It Hot but in a way those roles kinda become all that they’re identifiable by for the younger, normie audiences. Like for these people, instead of knowing the name Tony Curtis they just know him as “one of the dudes in drag in Some Like It Hot”, but even in this example he’s still probably outshined by Monroe and Lemmon. The better example would be Leigh who everyone would know as “that chick who got stabbed in the shower in Psycho”
I don’t think I’m enunciating these thoughts quite how I want to. I’m sure someone else who sees what I’m trying to get at here can put it in better words
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 22, 2023 21:44:17 GMT
Yea JLC is definitely more famous than her parents. While I think more younger, normie audiences could probably recognize Janet Leigh and to a lesser extent Tony Curtis’s most famous roles I don’t think they’d be able to tell you who the actors are, just something along the lines of “oh yea I recognize this image from that movie” after you show them a still from Psycho or Some Like It Hot but in a way those roles kinda become all that they’re identifiable by for the younger, normie audiences. Like for these people, instead of knowing the name Tony Curtis they just know him as “one of the dudes in drag in Some Like It Hot”, but even in this example he’s still probably outshined by Monroe and Lemmon. The better example would be Leigh who everyone would know as “that chick who got stabbed in the shower in Psycho” I don’t think I’m enunciating these thoughts quite how I want to. I’m sure someone else who sees what I’m trying to get at here can put it in better words Yeah, the classic movies eclipsed Curtis and Leigh in popularity and so has their daughter at this point. Seriously, when is the last time either of JLC's parents were more famous than her? 1988?
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Post by hugobolso on Mar 22, 2023 21:59:34 GMT
Yea JLC is definitely more famous than her parents. While I think more younger, normie audiences could probably recognize Janet Leigh and to a lesser extent Tony Curtis’s most famous roles I don’t think they’d be able to tell you who the actors are, just something along the lines of “oh yea I recognize this image from that movie” after you show them a still from Psycho or Some Like It Hot but in a way those roles kinda become all that they’re identifiable by for the younger, normie audiences. Like for these people, instead of knowing the name Tony Curtis they just know him as “one of the dudes in drag in Some Like It Hot”, but even in this example he’s still probably outshined by Monroe and Lemmon. The better example would be Leigh who everyone would know as “that chick who got stabbed in the shower in Psycho” I don’t think I’m enunciating these thoughts quite how I want to. I’m sure someone else who sees what I’m trying to get at here can put it in better words Lee Curtis had a much larger career. But in their prime their parents were among the most succesful actors at box office. Jamie Lee Curtis had the luck of being choosen in several low budget horror films that usually were big hits at box office. And had the luck of being choosen in several mid budget succesful commedies. But usually seccond or third or fourth billed. Yep she made true líes that was a very succesful expnsive action commedy film. But that was the exception to the rule. While their parents in their stardom (that was relative short) the made every kind of movie, in leading or supporting roles, big budget or relative indie movies. Both career eclipsed in the late 60s and both ended their long careers in Z movies.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 22, 2023 23:02:36 GMT
No of course not. She won.
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Post by dadsburgers on Mar 22, 2023 23:10:26 GMT
While Jamie Lee Curtis is certainly more famous than her parents are, or likely ever were, because of all of her outstanding achievements over the past 45 years, she did originally gain access to that path to fame because of her parents' fame.
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 23, 2023 4:06:43 GMT
I do think being a nepo baby ended up being a benefit for JLC this season. She joked about it in a way that helped her campaign. See her SAG winning speech.
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Post by quetee on Mar 23, 2023 4:08:30 GMT
While Jamie Lee Curtis is certainly more famous than her parents are, or likely ever were, because of all of her outstanding achievements over the past 45 years, she did originally gain access to that path to fame because of her parents' fame. And she wouldn't dispute that. Still she had to pave a way to her own fame. Jamie has been acting for over 40 years, is 64 years old and it took 40 years to get her first nomination. And people are hating on her? Please.
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 23, 2023 4:12:49 GMT
I knew of Jamie Lee Curtis before I knew her parents or wether her parents were famous at all. Did she get a leg up from average folks, probably but that didn't make her world famous. She did that herself. Yeah same here. JLC is far more famous than her parents internationally too. I saw Freaky Friday when I was in primary school like 20 years ago. The movie channels here used to love showing Lindsay Lohan movies (Parent Trap, Freaky Friday, Mean Girls etc.).
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Post by Brother Fease on Mar 23, 2023 11:40:23 GMT
While Jamie Lee Curtis is certainly more famous than her parents are, or likely ever were, because of all of her outstanding achievements over the past 45 years, she did originally gain access to that path to fame because of her parents' fame. And she wouldn't dispute that. Still she had to pave a way to her own fame. Jamie has been acting for over 40 years, is 64 years old and it took 40 years to get her first nomination. And people are hating on her? Please. Agree. Doesn't make much sense to me. Especially since she's always been a class act and willing to go into comedy, horror, and action films. There's pretty much no genre she's unwilling to tackle. It boggles my mind on why we're even talking about "Nepo Baby" issues. I completely forget her Mom was in Psycho, and her Dad was in Some Like It Hot and The Defiant Ones.
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Post by hugobolso on Mar 23, 2023 17:40:05 GMT
I do think being a nepo baby ended up being a benefit for JLC this season. She joked about it in a way that helped her campaign. See her SAG winning speech. Thanks that's want I try to write. But as usually I get lost in translation.-
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Post by hugobolso on Mar 23, 2023 18:01:31 GMT
I knew of Jamie Lee Curtis before I knew her parents or wether her parents were famous at all. Did she get a leg up from average folks, probably but that didn't make her world famous. She did that herself. Yeah same here. JLC is far more famous than her parents internationally too. I saw Freaky Friday when I was in primary school like 20 years ago. The movie channels here used to love showing Lindsay Lohan movies (Parent Trap, Freaky Friday, Mean Girls etc.). This is true. Based on 3 facts, 1) the world was an smaller place at the time that JLC parents were stars, because there was the Cold War.- 2) There wasn't video, DVD or internet. Jamie Lee Curtis films become great hits thanks for these.- 3) Their parents career ended in the mid 60s when the star system totally collapsed (despite the fact, that they continue working until they died)-
However for example Little Women or Scaramouche, Trapeze or The Vikings were very popular "worlwide" movies (Western Europe, Australia and Latinoamerica), that even had a succesful re-realese on TV in the 80s.- They made B moviez, Z movies, adventure-romancematinees movies, action movies, commedies, family movies and prestigious movies. While JLC made lot of TV, cult movies, commedies, horror films, family movies but very few prestigious movies at least at the time of the shooting (if someone bet that True Lies, Everything Everywhere All at Once, A fish Called Wanda would be critical succeses, he should be rich).-
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