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Post by Barbie on Jan 16, 2023 3:28:04 GMT
That’s a totally fair question but something about this is very off putting. It feels so contrived idk. Maybe bc it’s so late in the game therefore extremely obvious? I can’t explain it, and I concede that my take may be unreasonable here 😅 I do feel some second hand embarrassment for her. Also yesterday I saw people call this late in the game campaign racist (I do NOT agree with that) bc they think she and the actors rallying around her trying to take away spots from the women of color who are predicted to get nominated It's off-putting because you're seeing someone without studio resources actually try to put themselves out there in an environment where there is a decades-old machine in place that spends an exponentially higher amount of money than what it cost to make To Leslie just on booking promotional tours, interviews, luncheons and buying "awards" at random festivals. It may be extremely obvious that they're taking advantage of the fact that right now is the voting period of Oscars, but this sort of blitz attack on all cylinders (which bizarre) is no different than what we're used to seeing when you step back a bit. I’m not turned off by the grassroots aspect. It’s the timing and contrived feeling of it all. Is there a reason this blitz didn’t start in November? Genuinely curious I’m wondering why they didn’t start word of mouth, private screenings, shout outs a couple months back especially when this movie released last March. If the grassroots campaigning was a slow burn, I think it would be inspiring. Doing it so late in the game, grassroots or studio backed, is off putting to me
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Post by stephen on Jan 16, 2023 3:34:23 GMT
It's off-putting because you're seeing someone without studio resources actually try to put themselves out there in an environment where there is a decades-old machine in place that spends an exponentially higher amount of money than what it cost to make To Leslie just on booking promotional tours, interviews, luncheons and buying "awards" at random festivals. It may be extremely obvious that they're taking advantage of the fact that right now is the voting period of Oscars, but this sort of blitz attack on all cylinders (which bizarre) is no different than what we're used to seeing when you step back a bit. I’m not turned off by the grassroots aspect. It’s the timing and contrived feeling of it all. Is there a reason this blitz didn’t start in November? Genuinely curious I’m wondering why they didn’t start word of mouth, private screenings, shout outs a couple months back especially when this movie released last March Simple reason is money. The film made less than $30,000 at the box office. There's just no resources for a long campaign (and for what it's worth, Riseborough did get nominated at the Indie Spirits, so it's not like this has been completely dead up till now). They realized that Best Actress has a potential vulnerable spot (Williams missing SAG is a huge blow to her) and they smelled an opportunity. And so Riseborough or her reps decided fuck it, let's go for it. And they went hard for it as much as they could. This isn't the first time this has happened, but it's the first time we're actually seeing it done in the era of social media. We've seen nominees like Javier Bardem ( Biutiful) and Demian Bichir get propelled into the Oscar race largely off the back of word-of-mouth within the industry from some high-profile supporters like Julia Roberts, Sean Penn, etc. It may seem contrived and inorganic, but they don't have the resources to make it look pretty. They have a nine-day window to hit the ground running, put blasts across the board, get big A-listers to host screenings (and look, it's one thing to ask for them to do that but for it to actually happen, and for raves like this to come out of it, is another thing entirely). If this is successful, this may mark a huge watershed moment as far as awards campaigns go. Studios may rethink their strategies (because if one tiny movie could pull off a huge above-the-line nomination off of a week's worth of campaigning, they may not sink so much money into the whole song-and-dance in the first place). This may be a meme for now, but I think it's also a sign of what's to come.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jan 16, 2023 5:22:48 GMT
I think she's in. The fact that Cate Blanchett namedropped her in her speech is surreal. The whole thing is tacky and embarrassing as fuck but it looks very effective. I just hope she's not stealing Deadwyler's spot. There's nothing more cruel and inappropriate for a random white actress to bump out a black actress telling Emmett Till's story.
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Post by Barbie on Jan 16, 2023 8:53:37 GMT
Who is the last one referring to? Which actor hired an agency to spread rumors? That’s awful
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Post by Barbie on Jan 16, 2023 9:00:57 GMT
This campaign strategy is hella risky bc I’m seeing this sentiment more and more
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Post by Barbie on Jan 16, 2023 9:09:13 GMT
I’m not turned off by the grassroots aspect. It’s the timing and contrived feeling of it all. Is there a reason this blitz didn’t start in November? Genuinely curious I’m wondering why they didn’t start word of mouth, private screenings, shout outs a couple months back especially when this movie released last March Simple reason is money. The film made less than $30,000 at the box office. There's just no resources for a long campaign (and for what it's worth, Riseborough did get nominated at the Indie Spirits, so it's not like this has been completely dead up till now). They realized that Best Actress has a potential vulnerable spot (Williams missing SAG is a huge blow to her) and they smelled an opportunity. And so Riseborough or her reps decided fuck it, let's go for it. And they went hard for it as much as they could. This isn't the first time this has happened, but it's the first time we're actually seeing it done in the era of social media. We've seen nominees like Javier Bardem ( Biutiful) and Demian Bichir get propelled into the Oscar race largely off the back of word-of-mouth within the industry from some high-profile supporters like Julia Roberts, Sean Penn, etc. It may seem contrived and inorganic, but they don't have the resources to make it look pretty. They have a nine-day window to hit the ground running, put blasts across the board, get big A-listers to host screenings (and look, it's one thing to ask for them to do that but for it to actually happen, and for raves like this to come out of it, is another thing entirely). If this is successful, this may mark a huge watershed moment as far as awards campaigns go. Studios may rethink their strategies (because if one tiny movie could pull off a huge above-the-line nomination off of a week's worth of campaigning, they may not sink so much money into the whole song-and-dance in the first place). This may be a meme for now, but I think it's also a sign of what's to come. I’m not familiar with the business aspect of campaigning and stuff, but does it cost money to hold private screenings at the actors’ homes? Actors are holding private screenings at their homes to help her out. If it doesn’t cost money, could they have no done it earlier? Marc Maron has an entire podcast. He could’ve done free promo last year. Same with Edward Norton who only tweeted about a few days ago. All these actors could’ve done word of mouth to their social media followers a few months ago The hyperbole of the praise also feels inauthentic bc of the timing of this campaign. All these actors being like “THIS IS THE BEST PERFORMANCE IVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE” is not helping Again the grassroots strategy is fine. It’s the timing and optics of it that makes this whole push very cringy to me
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 16, 2023 10:51:45 GMT
There is nothing wrong with anything being done by Riseborough - nothing - zip......I see plenty wrong in Yeoh or Bassett winning though........if that happens......on the other hand this probably ruins Andrea's chances now (that was a joke - calm down people ......geesh )
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Post by wilcinema on Jan 16, 2023 12:39:03 GMT
I'm leaning towards no, but the thing about watching the screener and then voting is kind of a moot point because how do you know they actually watch the screeners before voting lol
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 16, 2023 12:47:47 GMT
I'm going to be optimistic and say IN .
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 16, 2023 13:05:38 GMT
For the people who voted "yes" to this poll, please tell me what you drank last night. I am totally into whatever you had, unless it is coffee or contains gluten in it.
Andrea Riseborough has won ZERO critic circle awards.
No Satellie, Globe, Critics Choice or SAG nomination.
She didn't make the BAFTA Longlist either.
If you look beyond Cate and Michelle Y, you have the following contenders:
Viola Davis Danielle Deadwyler Ana de Armas Margot Robbie Michelle Williams Olivia Colman Lesley Manville Anya Taylor-Joy Emma Thompson
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Post by morton on Jan 16, 2023 14:44:05 GMT
For the people who voted "yes" to this poll, please tell me what you drank last night. I am totally into whatever you had, unless it is coffee or contains gluten in it. Andrea Riseborough has won ZERO critic circle awards. No Satellie, Globe, Critics Choice or SAG nomination. She didn't make the BAFTA Longlist either. If you look beyond Cate and Michelle Y, you have the following contenders: Viola Davis Danielle Deadwyler Ana de Armas Margot Robbie Michelle Williams Olivia Colman Lesley Manville Anya Taylor-Joy Emma Thompson This is a big reason I want for her to make it though because for the most part the other awards now just exist to predict the Oscars. It would be so refreshing if someone or some film could get in with a campaign like this at the last minute without all of the other BS like being hyped a year ahead of time as the person or film to beat, or a studio spending the equivalent of a small country’s GDP. Not to say that I’m immune to either of those things because I’m certainly not, but maybe it would help make things harder to predict, which for me would be a good thing because usually by the time the Oscar nominations happen, I’m just over it. I know it’s not the fault of most of the nominees for showing up everywhere else or almost everywhere else, but it just makes the award season feel even longer to me than it needs to be. Plus maybe more smaller performances and films could have more of an even playing field which would be great too. So many smaller performances and films have missed over the years even with actors or directors or writers spending their own money because the season is so long that it’s hard to gain momentum and sustain it through the whole season. For instance I forgot to mention Jennifer Aniston before, but even someone with deep pockets like her couldn’t do it all the way until the end; although she came close. Or Ann Dowd who I did mention who won something big like NBR, but couldn’t get enough traction for any of the televised awards. If she had a campaign like what is happening for Riseborough, maybe that would have been more effective than her spending her own money trying to get precursor nominations. There’s only one Oscars, but like a bazillion other awards that I could see how someone with limited funds would eventually run out if they tried to campaign the whole awards season. Plus I think it might help to show how critics awards can be a big joke. They could go their own way more of the time, and/or they could help out more performances/films that people don’t know about, but unfortunately a lot of them even the smaller ones where they have no influence with Oscar just name the same people/performances.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 16, 2023 14:54:28 GMT
For the people who voted "yes" to this poll, please tell me what you drank last night. I am totally into whatever you had, unless it is coffee or contains gluten in it. Andrea Riseborough has won ZERO critic circle awards. No Satellie, Globe, Critics Choice or SAG nomination. She didn't make the BAFTA Longlist either. If you look beyond Cate and Michelle Y, you have the following contenders: Viola Davis Danielle Deadwyler Ana de Armas Margot Robbie Michelle Williams Olivia Colman Lesley Manville Anya Taylor-Joy Emma Thompson We’re saying none of that matters and she’ll make it based off pure passion from a very late blitz by many prominent actors.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 16, 2023 14:56:23 GMT
Who is the last one referring to? Which actor hired an agency to spread rumors? That’s awful Basically it’s what studios and publicists have been doing for ages during campaign season
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 16, 2023 16:02:34 GMT
For the people who voted "yes" to this poll, please tell me what you drank last night. I am totally into whatever you had, unless it is coffee or contains gluten in it. Andrea Riseborough has won ZERO critic circle awards. No Satellie, Globe, Critics Choice or SAG nomination. She didn't make the BAFTA Longlist either. If you look beyond Cate and Michelle Y, you have the following contenders: Viola Davis Danielle Deadwyler Ana de Armas Margot Robbie Michelle Williams Olivia Colman Lesley Manville Anya Taylor-Joy Emma Thompson We’re saying none of that matters and she’ll make it based off pure passion from a very late blitz by many prominent actors. Why didn't she make the SAG list then? Explain.
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Post by stephen on Jan 16, 2023 16:05:59 GMT
We’re saying none of that matters and she’ll make it based off pure passion from a very late blitz by many prominent actors. Why didn't she make the SAG list then? Explain. Because SAG-AFTRA is a super-populist branch where nominees are submitted by a committee of some two thousand people. To Leslie barely had two thousand people pay to go see it. They will always go for the biggest names and the loudest campaigns.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 16, 2023 16:06:42 GMT
We’re saying none of that matters and she’ll make it based off pure passion from a very late blitz by many prominent actors. Why didn't she make the SAG list then? Explain. SAG voting was already over when this celeb campaign began
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 16, 2023 16:24:07 GMT
Okay guys, go ahead and predict Andrea Riseborough. I am not stopping you. Just remember there's three open spots. We have Michelle Williams, Viola Davis, Danielle Deadwyler, Margot Robbie, Olivia Colman, Ana de Armas, and whatever the BAFTAs nominate. I really doubt Riseborough is going to get in over those. It's a small movie, which came out in March and November, that's made about 23k dollars.
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 16, 2023 16:27:29 GMT
Why didn't she make the SAG list then? Explain. SAG voting was already over when this celeb campaign began You do understand that all of these "celebs" received screeners BEFORE SAG voting began. It's not like they didn't know the movie existed. The film has been released into the media since March. We all somehow believe that voters discovered the movie AFTER SAG voting ended. Sorry I am not buying this one bit.
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Post by stephen on Jan 16, 2023 16:35:44 GMT
Okay guys, go ahead and predict Andrea Riseborough. I am not stopping you. Just remember there's three open spots. We have Michelle Williams, Viola Davis, Danielle Deadwyler, Margot Robbie, Olivia Colman, Ana de Armas, and whatever the BAFTAs nominate. I really doubt Riseborough is going to get in over those. It's a small movie, which came out in March and November, that's made about 23k dollars. And that's perfectly fine and logical. But there is something to be said for this sudden groundswell of passion that surges at the perfect time for Oscar voting, with high-profile Academy members vocally promoting the film and her performance and hosting screenings.
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 16, 2023 17:06:08 GMT
Okay guys, go ahead and predict Andrea Riseborough. I am not stopping you. Just remember there's three open spots. We have Michelle Williams, Viola Davis, Danielle Deadwyler, Margot Robbie, Olivia Colman, Ana de Armas, and whatever the BAFTAs nominate. I really doubt Riseborough is going to get in over those. It's a small movie, which came out in March and November, that's made about 23k dollars. And that's perfectly fine and logical. But there is something to be said for this sudden groundswell of passion that surges at the perfect time for Oscar voting, with high-profile Academy members vocally promoting the film and her performance and hosting screenings. Who are you predicting for Best Actress then?
For me, I am going with Blanchett, the Michelles, Davis, and Deadwyler. Ana de Armas is on the cusp for me. Williams might end up being a victim of the Caitríona Balfe effect - losing out on an acting Oscar nod because they are considered both lead and supporting.
Honestly, I think you might be falling into the victim of "wanting that surprise" in a two-hander Oscar race. We want to get excited about SOMETHING else. Yeah, SOME high-profile Academy members are praising To Leslie. That's not in dispute. The point is that there's a MUCH BIGGER groundswell for Davis, Williams, Deadwyler, Robbie, Colman, and de Armas. Those are the ones with the bigger campaigns. Scorsese and Spielberg love to promote the shoe-string films. That's what they do, and we love them for it. Doesn't mean it'll materialize into Oscar nominations, just more exposure to these small-time projects.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 17:10:56 GMT
I feel that if any actress will benefit from "passion voting", it will be de Armas... (See Kristen Stewart last year.)
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Post by stephen on Jan 16, 2023 17:13:43 GMT
And that's perfectly fine and logical. But there is something to be said for this sudden groundswell of passion that surges at the perfect time for Oscar voting, with high-profile Academy members vocally promoting the film and her performance and hosting screenings. Who are you predicting for Best Actress then?
For me, I am going with Blanchett, the Michelles, Davis, and Deadwyler. Ana de Armas is on the cusp for me. Williams might end up being a victim of the Caitríona Balfe effect - losing out on an acting Oscar nod because they are considered both lead and supporting.
Honestly, I think you might be falling into the victim of "wanting that surprise" in a two-hander Oscar race. We want to get excited about SOMETHING else. Yeah, SOME high-profile Academy members are praising To Leslie. That's not in dispute. The point is that there's a MUCH BIGGER groundswell for Davis, Williams, Deadwyler, Robbie, Colman, and de Armas. Those are the ones with the bigger campaigns. Scorsese and Spielberg love to promote the shoe-string films. That's what they do, and we love them for it. Doesn't mean it'll materialize into Oscar nominations, just more exposure to these small-time projects. Blanchett, Davis, Deadwyler, Riseborough, Yeoh. (I have Ana de Armas at sixth right now.) Williams missing SAG is a critical blow -- she should not have missed there. And I think her momentum is all but dead; I think she could easily miss BAFTA at this rate (seeing how they didn't exactly embrace The Fabelmans on the shortlists). De Armas's film is an NC-17 with scathing reviews so despite her individual notices, I think she's out unless she can coup that BAFTA nod. Deadwyler I think has enough passion to surge through, and I think Riseborough can push through at the right moment and get the lone Oscar nomination with just the Spirit Award as a precursor. It would be buckwild if it happened but, again, there is legitimate passion for this performance and this strategy could very well pan out. As far as the others go, Robbie missed out on SAG (where she is beloved; she's a five-time nominee there) and she missed the BAFTA shortlist. Colman missed out on SAG (where she is respected) and she missed the BAFTA longlist. There's no real passion for either performance this year -- they got in at the Globes largely off name recognition and studio support. I don't give a damn about "wanting a surprise." I'm predicting Riseborough to get the nomination because timing is everything -- and right now everyone's talking about her right as voting is happening. No one's talking about Colman or Robbie, and the only talk surrounding Williams is her SAG miss and whether they're positioning her to run supporting in response.
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 16, 2023 17:26:00 GMT
Who are you predicting for Best Actress then?
For me, I am going with Blanchett, the Michelles, Davis, and Deadwyler. Ana de Armas is on the cusp for me. Williams might end up being a victim of the Caitríona Balfe effect - losing out on an acting Oscar nod because they are considered both lead and supporting.
Honestly, I think you might be falling into the victim of "wanting that surprise" in a two-hander Oscar race. We want to get excited about SOMETHING else. Yeah, SOME high-profile Academy members are praising To Leslie. That's not in dispute. The point is that there's a MUCH BIGGER groundswell for Davis, Williams, Deadwyler, Robbie, Colman, and de Armas. Those are the ones with the bigger campaigns. Scorsese and Spielberg love to promote the shoe-string films. That's what they do, and we love them for it. Doesn't mean it'll materialize into Oscar nominations, just more exposure to these small-time projects. Blanchett, Davis, Deadwyler, Riseborough, Yeoh. (I have Ana de Armas at sixth right now.) Williams missing SAG is a critical blow -- she should not have missed there. And I think her momentum is all but dead; I think she could easily miss BAFTA at this rate (seeing how they didn't exactly embrace The Fabelmans on the shortlists). De Armas's film is an NC-17 with scathing reviews so despite her individual notices, I think she's out unless she can coup that BAFTA nod. Deadwyler I think has enough passion to surge through, and I think Riseborough can push through at the right moment and get the lone Oscar nomination with just the Spirit Award as a precursor. It would be buckwild if it happened but, again, there is legitimate passion for this performance and this strategy could very well pan out. As far as the others go, Robbie missed out on SAG (where she is beloved; she's a five-time nominee there) and she missed the BAFTA shortlist. Colman missed out on SAG (where she is respected) and she missed the BAFTA longlist. There's no real passion for either performance this year -- they got in at the Globes largely off name recognition and studio support. I don't give a damn about "wanting a surprise." I'm predicting Riseborough to get the nomination because timing is everything -- and right now everyone's talking about her right as voting is happening. No one's talking about Colman or Robbie, and the only talk surrounding Williams is her SAG miss and whether they're positioning her to run supporting in response. I don't that is necessarily true. Yes, people are talking, but that doesn't mean everybody. At least Williams got a SAG nomination. I suspect she's going to get a BAFTA nomination and we're going to put her back in good graces. Anyway, this is my last post about Riseborough. Best of luck to her. I just don't see it happening.
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Post by mrimpossible on Jan 16, 2023 17:47:41 GMT
I don't think so.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jan 17, 2023 0:16:11 GMT
I get the feeling this is also a back door FYC come AMARA’s time. All I know is this passionate discourse is ironically making me curious to seek the movie out, just to know what the hell everyone’s talking about.
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