sirchuck23
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 22, 2022 0:17:52 GMT
The Denzel drawing makes him look he weighed 300 pounds in Training Day. If his head was bald with the goatee, you would be forgiven for thinking it was Suge Knight. Also, a little ironic looking at the Alec Guinness drawing as a reminder that the thing he'll be remembered for to the mainstream he personally disliked. Haha they got Julianne in her outfit from the Dude's dream
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 22, 2022 0:23:06 GMT
Where is this Tom Hardy stuff even coming from? Even if you like the dude's acting, he's years removed from stuff like Locke. Venom, Capone, Venom 2? His career is in a wasteland. This is a UK public vote. Hardy has an intense cult following in his home country because of things like Legend, where he played the most iconic British Gangsters ever (the Kray Twins) and his role as another gangster on Peaky Blinders. It's a UK bias towards him that may or may not be permanent. I suspect it won't last long if his body of work as an actor doesn't improve from here. I mean, I'm a Peaky Blinders stan, but I'd hardly single out Hardy's work on there as exemplary. Sam Neill, Paddy Considine, Sam Claflin, Adrien Brody, etc. had more powerful supporting performances IMO.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 22, 2022 0:29:21 GMT
This is a UK public vote. Hardy has an intense cult following in his home country because of things like Legend, where he played the most iconic British Gangsters ever (the Kray Twins) and his role as another gangster on Peaky Blinders. It's a UK bias towards him that may or may not be permanent. I suspect it won't last long if his body of work as an actor doesn't improve from here. I mean, I'm a Peaky Blinders stan, but I'd hardly single out Hardy's work on there as exemplary. Sam Neill, Paddy Considine, Sam Claflin, Adrien Brody, etc. had more powerful supporting performances IMO. I didn't single out his role in Peaky Blinders as the main catalyst though. You did. I said it played a part in his UK following (as would his role as Charles Bronson in Bronson), but I clearly attributed his cult UK following primarily to him playing the Krays in Legend.Remember, there was another UK Poll awhile back about the Top 10 Actors in Gangster Films, and Hardy got voted in the top 10 for his dual role in Legend. That should tell you how much sway that role has for him with British audiences. It might as well be his Scarface as far as UK audiences are concerned.
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 22, 2022 0:41:09 GMT
I mean, I'm a Peaky Blinders stan, but I'd hardly single out Hardy's work on there as exemplary. Sam Neill, Paddy Considine, Sam Claflin, Adrien Brody, etc. had more powerful supporting performances IMO. I didn't single out his role in Peaky Blinders as the main catalyst though. You did. I said it played a part in his UK following (as would his role as Charles Bronson in Bronson), but I clearly attributed his cult UK following primarily to him playing the Krays in Legend.Remember, there was another UK Poll awhile back about the Top 10 Actors in Gangster Films, and Hardy got voted in the top 10 for his dual role in Legend. That should tell you how much sway that role has for him with British audiences. It might as well be his Scarface as far as UK audiences are concerned. But you have to admit that that's crazy. That movie doesn't have a footprint. It's not Scarface, it's not Training Day, it's nothing. I'd get it if Legend had the cult iconic status of Trainspotting or something.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 22, 2022 0:57:35 GMT
I didn't single out his role in Peaky Blinders as the main catalyst though. You did. I said it played a part in his UK following (as would his role as Charles Bronson in Bronson), but I clearly attributed his cult UK following primarily to him playing the Krays in Legend.Remember, there was another UK Poll awhile back about the Top 10 Actors in Gangster Films, and Hardy got voted in the top 10 for his dual role in Legend. That should tell you how much sway that role has for him with British audiences. It might as well be his Scarface as far as UK audiences are concerned. But you have to admit that that's crazy. That movie doesn't have a footprint. It's not Scarface, it's not Training Day, it's nothing. I'd get it if Legend had the cult iconic status of Trainspotting or something. Yeah, it's weird to me as well, but I guess it's a very super-specific UK thing, where the film's cult status is mainly relegated to the UK. If you aren't in the UK it might seem bizarre that an otherwise minor film like Legend has that kind of impact for Hardy, but maybe it's a similar thing for The Italian Job and Get Carter being big cult crime films in the UK for Michael Caine, but have a much smaller footprint in somewhere like America.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 22, 2022 15:38:52 GMT
I made fun of Hardy being on a top 50 list in this thread but he was in a movie that won 2010s film of the decade - and sure the questionable Jordan Ruimey did that poll but it wasn't him saying it - it was 250 critics. Beloved movies ( Fury Road) matter ......critically or popular big movies - even in the dumbass Empire readership regardless what the actor does in them.... AND which the publication of the reader's poll gave a lot of attention to...... It's pretty funny to me that everyone - me included - dissed Hardy - but there's a lot of low hanging fruit here even apart from females which is a trainwreck - I mean this is greatest actors - not greatest movie stars - and sure saying Tom Cruise is a greater actor than Max Von Sydow, Dustin Hoffman, Robert Duvall and Marcelllo Mastroiani is a matter of opinion......but is it though.......... or is it just wrong? Ruimey's own take on actors on this list pretty spot on anyway btw - in a Pugh take-down piece he commented off-handedly on the boring but obvious truth: "The rest of the list has all of the obvious greats such as Daniel Day-Lewis, Anthony Hopkins, Robert De Niro, Gene Hackman and Al Pacino."Not quite that simple - but not too far off tbh and the list really isn't worth thinking about too much unless you're an acting nerd ....
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Post by stabcaesar on Dec 22, 2022 16:20:24 GMT
Which movie was Julianne Moore in where she was dressed like that?
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Post by stephen on Dec 22, 2022 16:29:45 GMT
Which movie was Julianne Moore in where she was dressed like that? The Big Lebowski.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Dec 22, 2022 16:35:28 GMT
The Big Lebowski
Yeah, the list clearly has both a recency bias and a UK bias but I'm surprised for UK's own women legends missing. Maybe their votes were so distributed that they basically canceled each other out? Like Redgrave die-hards not voting for Maggie and vice versa. Whatever, that's the biggest surprise in my opinion.
Happy for Bale. Not surprising at all in the context of this poll.
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Post by stabcaesar on Dec 22, 2022 17:13:45 GMT
Which movie was Julianne Moore in where she was dressed like that? The Big Lebowski. Why don't I remember this
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Post by franklin on Dec 22, 2022 21:11:15 GMT
If it's truly secretly ranked it makes sense that Washington and Hanks are at the top of the list.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Dec 22, 2022 23:02:15 GMT
The Big Lebowski. Why don't I remember this Maybe because she only appears in that getup in a dream sequence iirc
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 22, 2022 23:09:56 GMT
If it's truly secretly ranked it makes sense that Washington and Hanks are at the top of the list. My thoughts as well. I do think Denzel probably topped the poll.
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Post by stephen on Dec 22, 2022 23:42:18 GMT
If it's truly secretly ranked it makes sense that Washington and Hanks are at the top of the list. My thoughts as well. I do think Denzel probably topped the poll. You underestimate the power of Florence Pugh.
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Post by stephen on Dec 22, 2022 23:43:54 GMT
Really pleased to see Freeman's Somerset as his choice of character.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 23, 2022 0:13:44 GMT
Really pleased to see Freeman's Somerset as his choice of character. I think they should have gone for Satine from Moulin Rouge for Kidman. A far more distinctive image and probably a more iconic character for her than Virgina Woolf
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 2:55:55 GMT
When a top 50 isn't ranked I'm not sure how meaningful it is. I guess a few surprises like no Hoffman and Pugh/Yeoh making it. Not a lot outside the English language but for Empire readers that's not a surprise. Especially with the absence of Saoirse Ronan who has clearly accomplished more at this stage with them both being around the same age. I feel the biggest takeaway from this list isn't the omission of someone like Dustin Hoffman or the inclusion of people like Florence Pugh. It's that Meryl Streep truly fucked over an entire generation of actresses whom by all rights could/should be making lists like this with ease. It's like Streep was the only actress of note from 1978 to 1992, and then they skipped to the next generations (who are overrepresented on this list...does Natalie Portman or Michelle Williams really need to be there? . Sigourney Weaver, Glenn Close, Susan Sarandon, Jessica Lange, Judy Davis, Michelle Pfieffer....Streep has made an entire generation of great screen actresses afterthoughts. I'm pretty sure that Streep has Glenn Close in her phone contacts under the name "Salieri."
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 6, 2023 6:18:32 GMT
I feel the biggest takeaway from this list isn't the omission of someone like Dustin Hoffman or the inclusion of people like Florence Pugh. It's that Meryl Streep truly fucked over an entire generation of actresses whom by all rights could/should be making lists like this with ease. It's like Streep was the only actress of note from 1978 to 1992, and then they skipped to the next generations (who are overrepresented on this list...does Natalie Portman or Michelle Williams really need to be there? . Sigourney Weaver, Glenn Close, Susan Sarandon, Jessica Lange, Judy Davis, Michelle Pfieffer....Streep has made an entire generation of great screen actresses afterthoughts. I'm pretty sure that Streep has Glenn Close in her phone contacts under the name "Salieri."
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Post by VERITAS on Jan 6, 2023 23:34:06 GMT
Toshiro Mifune
Well thank Christ for a touch of seasonsing...
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Post by hugobolso on Jan 9, 2023 19:26:08 GMT
Hate the list. I mean greatest actors really? I dont agree with many of them. There is a guy, that I suppose is indian that I have no clue. Toshino Mifune made over than 80 films. I think he was great, but how many TM films, Ive seen in my hole life? 6 and one miniseries at best.
Then there are New actors like Florence Pugh or Olivia Colman. I was never impress by Pugh. I'm a huge Colman fan but her career still too short, and the number of films still limítated . Maybe they count the TV and thatrical career. But in that case why isnt there Fernanda Montenegro?
The same I could say about late Heath Ledger and Phillip Seymour Hoffman. Too short career for being taken seriously. Also I hate PSH as an actor. He had the luck to be push by a harsh Oscar campaigne. He is probably the most overated dead actor since Lana Clarkson. And half of Ledger performance was terrible. The other terrific. So 50/50
And then there are very limítated actors like Tom Cruise or Penelope Cruz. Cruise is I guess a beautiful man and charismatic that is good promotionating his proveerse. But someone remembers a great performance by Cruise.
Where was the last time that Francés McDormand didn’t interpretated herself. Mississippi Burning? Maybe. Has the techique but all are different variant of herself.
The same of Penelope Cruz, a limitated actress who was awarded for a sterotipated spanish woman in a bilingual Woody Allen movie. Her other academy awards nominations were for Nine a movie where she dance and sing, and for 2 Spanish Almodovar forgetable movies. I think she is one of the most beautiful actress of all time. But clearly she isnt as good in Hollywood movies like Sophia Loren was. Most of her 100% english speaking movies has mixed or very bad reviews.
Her spanish movies also are hit or miss.
And finally Natalie Portman. Portman is AN ACTRESS that could be great when the script is great and is well directed. But when the script is bad, and also the director doesn't pay attention to the performance she is more dull than a Barbie Doll.
Also I have several complains by actors that are good, but never seen until now nothing trully great like Williams or Yeoh or Hardy. Or actors that are great in certain kind of roles but terrible in others like Tom Hanks.
Finally I will not post about celebrities of the golden age. I guess every body knows who were great, and whose were just very good.
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