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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 8, 2022 17:10:16 GMT
The White House has announced that Brittney Griner will be released from Russian prison in exchange for Russian Arms Dealer Viktor Bout.
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Post by quetee on Dec 8, 2022 17:19:56 GMT
About damn time, talk about a disgrace. I hope Brittney NEVER plays in Russia again. NEVER!!!!!
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Post by SZilla on Dec 8, 2022 17:26:58 GMT
We gave Russia "The Merchant of Death"?? That man is straight dangerous. I'm glad Griner's out but now let's get schoolteacher Marc Fogel and former marine Paul Whelan back too.
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 8, 2022 17:32:32 GMT
About damn time, talk about a disgrace. I hope Brittney NEVER plays in Russia again. NEVER!!!!! I agree. President Biden said that Griner was the only U.S prisoner they were willing to release. Paul Whelan was not on the table. The White House is hoping that the Griner swap brings forward more Americans from Russia in the future. Best of luck to that. Based on what I know, Griner had medical marijuana on her. The 10-year sentence was an obvious political ploy for the Russian government. Such small amounts of pot, regardless of the excuse, merits either 6 month in prison or banishment from the country. |
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 8, 2022 17:33:32 GMT
We gave Russia "The Merchant of Death"?? That man is straight dangerous. I'm glad Griner's out but now let's get schoolteacher Marc Fogel and former marine Paul Whelan back too. Not anymore. Hopefully the Griner release, opens up the dor for Fogel and Whelan. |
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Post by SZilla on Dec 8, 2022 17:40:28 GMT
We gave Russia "The Merchant of Death"?? That man is straight dangerous. I'm glad Griner's out but now let's get schoolteacher Marc Fogel and former marine Paul Whelan back too. Not anymore. Hopefully the Griner release, opens up the dor for Fogel and Whelan. Not dangerous anymore? Do you think he's lost all of his deadly missile connections? To be fair, I wouldn't know. What's the turnover rate in the arms-dealing business anyway? I'm hopeful for Fogel and Whelan too, but as they're decidedly less famous than Griner, it's hard to not be pessimistic about it. |
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Post by quetee on Dec 8, 2022 17:45:13 GMT
About damn time, talk about a disgrace. I hope Brittney NEVER plays in Russia again. NEVER!!!!! I agree. President Biden said that Griner was the only U.S prisoner they were willing to release. Paul Whelan was not on the table. The White House is hoping that the Griner swap brings forward more Americans from Russia in the future. Best of luck to that. Based on what I know, Griner had medical marijuana on her. The 10-year sentence was an obvious political ploy for the Russian government. Such small amounts of pot, regardless of the excuse, merits either 6 month in prison or banishment from the country. It wouldn't surprise me if this was a set up from the get go. She's a big star in Russia so they knew and probably ignored it then someone came up with this way to get that guy back. |
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 8, 2022 17:47:26 GMT
Not anymore. Hopefully the Griner release, opens up the dor for Fogel and Whelan. Not dangerous anymore? Do you think he's lost all of his deadly missile connections? To be fair, I wouldn't know. What's the turnover rate in the arms-dealing business anyway? I'm hopeful for Fogel and Whelan too, but as they're decidedly less famous than Griner, it's hard to not be pessimistic about it. I can't answer your first question. I am thinking he was expendable. He was arrested in 2010. I am pretty his sources have been exposed.
Me too on your last ones. Hopefully this opens the door. I doubt. But I am glad Griner is coming home soon.
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 8, 2022 18:31:35 GMT
A Maryjane fan for a dangerous Arms Dealer   |
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 8, 2022 18:37:25 GMT
A Maryjane fan for a dangerous Arms Dealer It was medical marijuana. Do you really think she should have been left in prison? Do you really believe people should be punished for getting medical treatment? I don’t think Bout is that dangerous anymore. His sources have been exposed. |
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 8, 2022 18:39:09 GMT
A Maryjane fan for a dangerous Arms Dealer It was medical marijuana. Do you really think she should have been left in prison? Do you really believe people should be punished for getting medical treatment? I don’t think Bout is that dangerous anymore. His sources have been exposed. No, she should be in her home. For that reason exchange a dumb sportwoman for a an dangerous Arms Dealer is the most stupid deal of 2022.- |
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 8, 2022 20:37:34 GMT
We traded an arms dealer for a basketball player? Damn we got fleeced lol think we need a new GM
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 8, 2022 21:01:25 GMT
We traded an arms dealer for a basketball player? Damn we got fleeced lol think we need a new GM I am fine with the deal. Biden did a good job. Hopefully this trade will get help us get others more out. |
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 8, 2022 23:20:29 GMT
We traded an arms dealer for a basketball player? Damn we got fleeced lol think we need a new GM I am fine with the deal. Biden did a good job. Hopefully this trade will get help us get others more out. Idk man. I think it’s ridiculous she got arrested for a negligible amount of medical marijuana and I’m glad we got her out but this is a very lopsided trade. A WNBA player for a notorious arms dealer? It’s a propaganda win for Putin. I think this is the first time ever a WNBA player getting traded makes headlines |
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 8, 2022 23:48:14 GMT
I am fine with the deal. Biden did a good job. Hopefully this trade will get help us get others more out. Idk man. I think it’s ridiculous she got arrested for a negligible amount of medical marijuana and I’m glad we got her out but this is a very lopsided trade. A WNBA player for a notorious arms dealer? It’s a propaganda win for Putin. I think this is the first time ever a WNBA player getting traded makes headlines You have to understand that it was Griner or no deal at all. The U.S really wanted to include Paul Whelan, but the Russian government refused. I see this as away to open the doors to more prisoner releases.
Our Red Pill friends seems to be implying that "no deal" was the "better deal". Griner must come with Whelan. They would rather see Griner continue to be in prison, until a potential bigger deal happened. I think it is BETTER that get Griner now and then continue to talk with Russia about getting other U.S prisoners.
I just think it is a terrible logic on the part of the dissenters. I am glad she is coming home. I would hope we continue to get U.S prisoners out of Russia. That's why I support the deal. We're moving the needle forward.
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Post by dazed on Dec 9, 2022 0:05:50 GMT
griner is younger, taller, has way more athleticism, has the ability to knock down free throws at a higher rate, and has shown the ability to be a two way star on a winning team compared to bout who based on my eye test, is far past his prime.
easy trade imo
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Post by Joaquim on Dec 9, 2022 0:50:56 GMT
Idk man. I think it’s ridiculous she got arrested for a negligible amount of medical marijuana and I’m glad we got her out but this is a very lopsided trade. A WNBA player for a notorious arms dealer? It’s a propaganda win for Putin. I think this is the first time ever a WNBA player getting traded makes headlines You have to understand that it was Griner or no deal at all. The U.S really wanted to include Paul Whelan, but the Russian government refused. I see this as away to open the doors to more prisoner releases.
Our Red Pill friends seems to be implying that "no deal" was the "better deal". Griner must come with Whelan. They would rather see Griner continue to be in prison, until a potential bigger deal happened. I think it is BETTER that get Griner now and then continue to talk with Russia about getting other U.S prisoners.
I just think it is a terrible logic on the part of the dissenters. I am glad she is coming home. I would hope we continue to get U.S prisoners out of Russia. That's why I support the deal. We're moving the needle forward.
I mean if by more prisoner releases you mean we get our guys back without having to give up any more of theirs, considering we already gave them the big one in exchange for a measly marijuana offender, then sure fair enough. We get Whelan back at a later date without having to give up another prisoner. However I doubt this’ll be the case This isn’t even a “red pill” thing. Putin saying he’ll give us back Griner but we have to give him back Bout shows such a serious lack of respect for Biden. It honestly is downright disrespectful. That is not a serious offer, it’s a spit in the face. I wouldn’t be shocked if Russia tries arresting more Americans now that Putin knows what he can get for them. You can’t just pass this off as “we gave up a notorious, dangerous arms dealer but I’m just glad Griner is coming home”. I hate to put it this way but I can’t think of another way to put it - it’s a loser mentality. We got fleeced, dude. There’s no other way to spin it. We just traded Josh Allen for a 2026 conditional 5th round pick |
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Post by SZilla on Dec 9, 2022 1:29:12 GMT
Idk man. I think it’s ridiculous she got arrested for a negligible amount of medical marijuana and I’m glad we got her out but this is a very lopsided trade. A WNBA player for a notorious arms dealer? It’s a propaganda win for Putin. I think this is the first time ever a WNBA player getting traded makes headlines You have to understand that it was Griner or no deal at all. The U.S really wanted to include Paul Whelan, but the Russian government refused. I see this as away to open the doors to more prisoner releases.
Our Red Pill friends seems to be implying that "no deal" was the "better deal". Griner must come with Whelan. They would rather see Griner continue to be in prison, until a potential bigger deal happened. I think it is BETTER that get Griner now and then continue to talk with Russia about getting other U.S prisoners.
I just think it is a terrible logic on the part of the dissenters. I am glad she is coming home. I would hope we continue to get U.S prisoners out of Russia. That's why I support the deal. We're moving the needle forward.
I hope you’re not including me as one of these “Red Pill friends.” I’m very happy that Griner is home and it’s pretty damn gross if you’re claiming that I’d rather see her remain in prison. You know nothing about me. You also keep claiming that Bout is “not dangerous anymore” because his sources (at the time of his arrest) were revealed, but I think it’s at least misguided to believe that the man has no connections to anybody working in the arms dealing trade anymore. The fact of the matter is is that he’s a dangerous man that’s played a significant role in the deaths of I don’t know how many and he’ll most likely go right back to it now that he’s out. Whether this leads to Whelan (& Fogel) to be released in the future is still up in the air too. I hope it does, but it feels like we’ll have to release some more of the most dangerous people in custody in order to do so and it feels like the US are pretty damn bad at negotiating. |
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Post by countjohn on Dec 9, 2022 1:39:05 GMT
This isn't a "red pill" thing. This guy is going to kill people. Obviously terrible that Griner was in jail but letting one person out of jail isn't worth other people's lives.
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 9, 2022 2:45:27 GMT
I hope you’re not including me as one of these “Red Pill friends.” I’m very happy that Griner is home and it’s pretty damn gross if you’re claiming that I’d rather see her remain in prison. You know nothing about me. You also keep claiming that Bout is “not dangerous anymore” because his sources (at the time of his arrest) were revealed, but I think it’s at least misguided to believe that the man has no connections to anybody working in the arms dealing trade anymore. The fact of the matter is is that he’s a dangerous man that’s played a significant role in the deaths of I don’t know how many and he’ll most likely go right back to it now that he’s out. Whether this leads to Whelan (& Fogel) to be released in the future is still up in the air too. I hope it does, but it feels like we’ll have to release some more of the most dangerous people in custody in order to do so and it feels like the US are pretty damn bad at negotiating. Where did I excuse you of being a "Red Pill friend"? It would be best if you didn't try to put words in my mouth.
My point is pretty clear here: The Russian Government said Griner or no deal. Saying the deal shouldn't have happened, is indeed a de facto "remain in prison" position. There is just no way around that. The U.S made a deal which her out of the prison TODAY, not in two weeks or two years.
Bout is in his late 50s. The U.S has already received intelligence out of him. There's a chance he might be go back to dealing again or he might not. Keep in mind, the U.S doesn't keep Russian prisoners guilty of parking violations. These are indeed bad people.
I would also point out, you were not at the negotiation table. You're just a civilian, just like me. It's easy to criticize. The reality here: We're all glad she's coming home and hope this leads to more prisoners being released.
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 9, 2022 2:51:42 GMT
This isn't a "red pill" thing. This guy is going to kill people. Obviously terrible that Griner was in jail but letting one person out of jail isn't worth other people's lives. What deal do you believe they should have cut instead? Please elaborate. More over, how do you know this person is going to kill Americans again? |
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 9, 2022 4:34:38 GMT
This isn't a "red pill" thing. This guy is going to kill people. Obviously terrible that Griner was in jail but letting one person out of jail isn't worth other people's lives. What deal do you believe they should have cut instead? Please elaborate. More over, how do you know this person is going to kill Americans again? This is like exchange Martha Stewart for Charles Manson. Even a 5 year old boy could understand this. No puedo creer que seas tan estúpido para mi estas trolleando. |
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Dec 9, 2022 4:35:42 GMT
The whole incident was a Russian propaganda win. They got to thumb their nose at the U.S. and were only willing to negotiate her release knowing her getting out would sow further cultural division. And if we refuse the swap for Bout, Russia can run with that in the media. The publicity of the case put the ball entirely in Putin's court. There was no real win for the U.S. in this scenario; only thing at our control was whether we were going to pull the trigger on getting her back on their terms, and the Biden administration decided freeing an American was worth it.
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Post by Brother Fease on Dec 9, 2022 11:15:35 GMT
What deal do you believe they should have cut instead? Please elaborate. More over, how do you know this person is going to kill Americans again? This is like exchange Martha Stewart for Charles Manson. Even a 5 year old boy could understand this. No puedo creer que seas tan estúpido para mi estas trolleando. Bout was sentenced to 25 years in prison. This was back in 2010. Manson was put in prison for life. Basically Bout was in prison for half his original sentence. Your comparison doesn’t hold water. |
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 9, 2022 16:35:31 GMT
This is like exchange Martha Stewart for Charles Manson. Even a 5 year old boy could understand this. No puedo creer que seas tan estúpido para mi estas trolleando. Bout was sentenced to 25 years in prison. This was back in 2010. Manson was put in prison for life. Basically Bout was in prison for half his original sentence. Your comparison doesn’t hold water.  |
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