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Post by Brother Fease on Nov 1, 2022 0:06:20 GMT
Frances McDormand - Nomadland Viola Davis - Ma Rainey's Black BottomAndra Day - The United States vs. Billie HolidayVanessa Kirby - Pieces of a WomanCarey Mulligan - Promising Young Woman
Last night I was able to finally watch The United States vs. Billie Holiday movie. I was quite impressed with Day's performance, but the movie got less interesting as it went by.
It took me a long time, but I was finally able to see all five performances.
Who would I have voted for? My vote would have gone to Viola Davis to be honest. Day and Mulligan were really close. I love the body transformation and how well she was able to convey the depth to Ma Rainey.
How about you? My thing about Nomadland is that I found the movie to be rather boring and dry. So I was never really invested in the performance.
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Post by quetee on Nov 1, 2022 0:09:54 GMT
I was shook. I went to the bathroom came back late and was like, why is Frances on stage. LMAO.
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Post by Brother Fease on Nov 1, 2022 0:14:45 GMT
I was shook. I went to the bathroom came back late and was like, why is Frances on stage. LMAO. Who would you have preferred? I really loved Davis' performance.
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Post by stephen on Nov 1, 2022 0:30:20 GMT
I think she and Mulligan are pretty dead even in terms of my personal feelings on their performance, and I would've been equally thrilled by a Carey victory as I was for Frances. Andra Day was a distant third out of the nominees but as far as biopic performances go, it was much better than the crap film she had to deal with. Vanessa Kirby was solid but left so little impression on me. I outright hated Viola Davis's performance and I think she actively sets out to ruin what I think is otherwise a pretty good movie.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 1, 2022 0:31:50 GMT
that movie with no plot where she shits in a bucket? Hell no.
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Post by SZilla on Nov 1, 2022 1:13:34 GMT
Frances was fine but I was pulling for Carey.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Nov 1, 2022 1:23:59 GMT
No, Mulligan should have won.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 1, 2022 1:25:55 GMT
Davis should have won.
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Post by stabcaesar on Nov 1, 2022 1:51:41 GMT
No. Mulligan should’ve won.
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Post by Brother Fease on Nov 1, 2022 1:56:04 GMT
Poll added. Tommen_Saperstein - 100% agree with your assessment of Nomadland. I profoundly don't understand why people liked that movie so much. All of the performances felt phoned in.
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Post by finniussnrub on Nov 1, 2022 2:14:53 GMT
Eh seemed like overkill given she was going to already get a third for producing, and she was very good, but Mulligan all the way. Though glad it wasn't Davis with her atrocious lip-synching and her refusal to play any note other than deadly serious. Ma Rainey needed at least a modicum of vivaciousness, Davis had none.
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Post by JangoB on Nov 1, 2022 4:36:19 GMT
Yarp. Wouldn't have minded Davis winning either.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 1, 2022 4:57:19 GMT
It's between Mulligan and McDormand - all 5 are fine but Davis in particular - is not a winning performance to me and it's not lead ..........she doesn't give the best performance in her own movie actually - she's outshined by Boseman AND Turman.....she may be THIRD in her own movie - nah, that's not a winning performance imo ..... Mulligan has an arc to her role where she starts and ends up is a full portrayal but McDormand does something really hard here and that's make non-actors look good. It's an entirely different KIND of acting skill set....in how she listens and gives line readings back to create this rhythm of dialog, environment and feeling..... The thing is it doesn't feel like it "deserves" a 3rd on some level - that movie, which I did like and made my top 10 is annoying simultaneously - it doesn't generate much passion (except from critics) and politically it is an effective but annoying (and trite) polemic against capitalism. I think McDormand deserved it about as much as Mulligan .......but .........Blanchett should win like 9 Oscars this year for her 3rd by comparison - THAT's what a "#3" should actually look and feel like
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 14:22:17 GMT
McDormand's is my favorite performance of the lineup, but I would have voted for Mulligan if I were an Academy member. I just don't think McDormand has had the kind of career that warrants three Best Actress Oscars, especially considering how many brilliant actresses who are far more accomplished and versatile have yet to win one.
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Post by speeders on Nov 1, 2022 16:06:52 GMT
I preferred Mulligan and Kirby quite considerably more but I still LOVED McDormand and I think it's a worthy winner most years (and it still is for that year), I just think the other two were stronger. Mulligan's snub really stings, it really felt like hers to lose even though it was a very heated race.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Nov 1, 2022 17:33:57 GMT
Best performance of the 5 nominees, so yes, of course. Now did she deserves to win a third oscar ? Yes and No. Yes, because every times she won, it was deserved and she was the best of the nominees (second to Emily Watson in 1996 tho). No, because when you compare, when you look around, you see actresses like Glenn Close or Gena Rowlands with 0 oscar but Frances McDormand with 3 ? It's unfair. It's even unfair to Meryl Streep who has 3 oscars too but a body of work that's easily 2 times deeper and stronger than Frances McDormand. And don't get me wrong, FM is one of the best living American actresses and actually the most impressive of them all during the last 10 years or so (and she should have received a "supporting" nod for Macbeth a well).
And I will say the same thing if Cate Blanchett win this year, she doesn't have enough great work to justify a third win (in her case it's because she's too young), she doesn't have these 3 or so performances that many people felt she should have won for but didn't, she didn't struggles enough like Streep did, etc... but like FM, on the performance alone, she will probably deserve it (with the difference that her win for The Aviator is a big meh) but it's way too early, we might get some surprising, tour de force performances this year.
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Post by hugobolso on Nov 1, 2022 17:38:11 GMT
I don't think any of McDormand wining performance are oscar worthy. But I am alone because everybody loves the Coens bros. Fargo, "Pregnant" McDormand makes urinate, 20 years later she makes sh...t and clean the bathrooms. The seccond oscar was probably her best performance of the 3 wins, however, all are the same performance, at different age.- why she won the oscar, because was the first time that an actress was nominated twice as an actress and producer, and won both.- She won just for stadyistics.-
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Post by JangoB on Nov 1, 2022 20:05:03 GMT
that movie with no plot where she shits in a bucket? Hell no. The only poll our board is missing is 'Who shit in a bucket better: Ronan v McDormand'
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 13:25:18 GMT
that movie with no plot where she shits in a bucket? Hell no. The only poll our board is missing is 'Who shit in a bucket better: Ronan v McDormand'OnlyFrans, for sure.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Nov 2, 2022 15:26:28 GMT
Nomadland didn't take me anywhere but dreamland zzzz... and I didn't see the others, so I'm not commenting on who I would vote for. Everyone has their own reasoning. However, I personally don't follow the rationale of, "I do think she was the best. But because this actress I respect (who is not even in the category) has never won one, I don't want to vote for her." For the total body of work argument, I'm going to defend McDormand a bit here. She's a woman of a certain age who is not conventional looking for Hollywood and not Meryl Streep. Her own husband and brother-in-law, as prolific a team as they were, they didn't even put her in many parts that were at once sizable and meaty. The first real one came in 96 - not the ideal starting point for an actress like her. In the movies, she was stuck in the world of supporting parts for a long time (that she made the most of in a great way). Also, I don't care about Meryl Streep's great body of work when I say she doesn't deserve those 3 Oscars. I wouldn't have taken it into consideration when voting for that third Oscar, so I would keep the same energy. Just a different way of looking at it.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 2, 2022 16:16:35 GMT
However, I personally don't follow the rationale of, "I do think she was the best. But because this actress I respect (who is not even in the category) has never won one, I don't want to vote for her." the only time this argument resonated with me was Boseman vs. Hopkins. When the nominees in a category have other chances to win as McDormand's competitors surely will, the overdue argument falls flat. But Hopkins had already won an Oscar and had just been nominated the previous year, and 2020 was Boseman's very last chance. I preferred Hopkins by the thinnest of margins but I still really wanted Boseman to win that year. Hopkins didn't need another Oscar.
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Post by stephen on Nov 2, 2022 16:28:16 GMT
I seriously have no idea why people get caught up in this idea of saying that an actor's career isn't worth a certain amount of awards, especially in comparison to another actor. The whole point of an Academy Award is to recognize the best performance given in that certain year against a certain field. If Frances McDormand gave the best performance nominated in that field three times, she deserves three Oscars. If people are going to piss and moan about her career not being worthy of that acclaim, well, then you should probably reassess your feelings on her career. McDormand gave two all-timer performances for her first two Oscars and her third is a very fine choice and, moreover, a very inspired one considering we never see performances so introspective and subdued win leading prizes.
It just seems like if people are up in arms about people like Glenn Close not having one Oscar against McDormand's three, that's not McDormand's fault. And that's what the honorary Oscar is for: rewarding a career.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Nov 2, 2022 16:42:28 GMT
Yeah, if actor has only given 3 great performances in their entire career and everyone other one was dogshit, I don’t see the issue with them winning 3 Oscars if those were the best performances of those given years. Quite ridiculous to think they need a certain body of work to be worthy of multiple Oscars.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 16:50:04 GMT
I like McDormand fine - as I said above, hers is my favorite lead actress performance from 2020. I'm just saying - compare McDormand's career to Ingrid Bergman's and Meryl Streep's, two other actresses who have won three Oscars (one each in Supporting, by the way - so technically McDormand is "ahead" of them by this metric)... Bergman and Streep are totally logical and worthy choices to have three Oscars based on the careers they've had; McDormand just isn't. I feel like this is just objective. I get that winning an Oscar is basically like catching lightning in a bottle, but it's genuinely shocking to me that McDormand has managed this three times. And I didn't mention Glenn Close, but since stephen did, yes, I'd rather see Glenn Close, Charlotte Rampling, Michelle Pfeiffer, Debra Winger, Barbara Hershey, Kathleen Turner, Gena Rowlands, Annette Bening, Sigourney Weaver et al (and I'm just limiting this to English language actresses) have one rather than McDormand have three.
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Post by stephen on Nov 2, 2022 17:26:08 GMT
I like McDormand fine - as I said above, hers is my favorite lead actress performance from 2020. I'm just saying - compare McDormand's career to Ingrid Bergman's and Meryl Streep's, two other actresses who have won three Oscars (one each in Supporting, by the way - so technically McDormand is "ahead" of them by this metric)... Bergman and Streep are totally logical and worthy choices to have three Oscars based on the careers they've had; McDormand just isn't. I feel like this is just objective. I get that winning an Oscar is basically like catching lightning in a bottle, but it's genuinely shocking to me that McDormand has managed this three times. And I didn't mention Glenn Close, but since stephen did, yes, I'd rather see Glenn Close, Charlotte Rampling, Michelle Pfeiffer, Debra Winger, Barbara Hershey, Kathleen Turner, Gena Rowlands, Annette Bening, Sigourney Weaver et al (and I'm just limiting this to English language actresses) have one rather than McDormand have three. This isn't directed at you specifically, because I think we all have different ideas of what an Oscar's true value is. Your stance seems to be that those great actresses you listed are all deserving of acclaim and accolades, which I won't argue against, but the fact is, it's not like Frances McDormand beat all of them for the awards she won. It's all about timing more than anything else. I will say that I think it's interesting that McDormand cops flak for winning three Oscars, despite the fact that she did that while barely campaigning. In fact, she won her second while openly stating that she didn't want it and for them to give it to a younger actress who needed it more. Her third, she was barely on the circuit at all. She didn't need a Weinstein banging the "it's time!" drum. (If anything, McDormand's three wins are stronger overall than Streep and Bergman's, whose third wins really haven't aged well and who arguably caused more "damage" in not recognizing other performers who could've done with a win here and there instead.)
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