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Post by mhynson27 on Jan 26, 2023 0:28:19 GMT
Rock riff?? That's like full on dubstep/present day Zimmer. Zimmer himself said it sounded like rock lol. Inspired by Zeppelin apparently. Cool effect. Fair enough then.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 26, 2023 2:51:34 GMT
I've been listening to this all week. ok perusing these tracks I am picking up on stuff I didn't remember. Maybe the music will stand out more on rewatch.
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 27, 2023 0:58:51 GMT
Currently watching the film now. The score is amazing. So unique.
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Post by hugobolso on Jan 27, 2023 22:26:58 GMT
Like but not love. Without The Russia/Ukraine War Saga. The Academy should paid so much attention to this German War Film?
Beautiful, powerful but trully conveniente for this season. Maybe in a couple of years I could watch more objetebly
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Post by Brother Fease on Jan 27, 2023 23:50:32 GMT
I gave it double thumbs up on Netflix. Powerful story. The production values were amazing. Felt very realistic. The cinematography, sound, and score were my favorite aspects of the picture. It definitely is an achievement across-the-board.
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Post by Joaquim on Jan 28, 2023 15:27:14 GMT
Like but not love. Without The Russia/Ukraine War Saga. The Academy should paid so much attention to this German War Film?
Beautiful, powerful but trully conveniente for this season. Maybe in a couple of years I could watch more objetebly
Not that the Russia-Ukraine saga has anything to do with the film’s reception, but I’ll entertain this and say you’re wrong anyway. If anything, without the Russia-Ukraine saga the academy would probably give this even more attention. Too much irony to reward this when you have all of Hollywood warmongering over Ukraine. They envision Putin as being the POS German general without realizing that they themselves, and their buddies in the government, are the POS French general from the film, not much different from their enemy
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Post by stabcaesar on Jan 28, 2023 15:32:31 GMT
Like but not love. Without The Russia/Ukraine War Saga. The Academy should paid so much attention to this German War Film?
Beautiful, powerful but trully conveniente for this season. Maybe in a couple of years I could watch more objetebly
Not that the Russia-Ukraine saga has anything to do with the film’s reception, but I’ll entertain this and say you’re wrong anyway. If anything, without the Russia-Ukraine saga the academy would probably give this even more attention. Too much irony to reward this when you have all of Hollywood warmongering over Ukraine. They envision Putin as being the POS German general without realizing that they themselves, and their buddies in the government, are the POS French general from the film, not much different from their enemy Except they are completely different. Russia invaded Ukraine first just like Germany invaded Belgium first.
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Post by Joaquim on Jan 28, 2023 16:02:40 GMT
Not that the Russia-Ukraine saga has anything to do with the film’s reception, but I’ll entertain this and say you’re wrong anyway. If anything, without the Russia-Ukraine saga the academy would probably give this even more attention. Too much irony to reward this when you have all of Hollywood warmongering over Ukraine. They envision Putin as being the POS German general without realizing that they themselves, and their buddies in the government, are the POS French general from the film, not much different from their enemy Except they are completely different. Russia invaded Ukraine first just like Germany invaded Belgium first. Correct, but that doesn’t change the fact that French/British generals had absolutely no problem tossing teenage kids into a meat grinder just to gain a few dozen yards of territory only to lose it immediately in the ensuing counterattack, and doing this for 4 years all while sitting comfy far away from the battlefield. Nor did they have any problems calling attacks after the armistice is signed just to gain a few yards of territory before it takes effect. The last soldier to die in WWI was an American killed like 15 seconds before 11 during an attack ordered by the French, and for fucking what? The generals on both sides have the same mindsets. Fast forward to today and of course Western elites still have their own personal agendas and ideas of glory involved, all while letting the ordinary recruit get killed for it
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Post by hugobolso on Jan 29, 2023 1:25:14 GMT
Like but not love. Without The Russia/Ukraine War Saga. The Academy should paid so much attention to this German War Film?
Beautiful, powerful but trully conveniente for this season. Maybe in a couple of years I could watch more objetebly
Not that the Russia-Ukraine saga has anything to do with the film’s reception, but I’ll entertain this and say you’re wrong anyway. If anything, without the Russia-Ukraine saga the academy would probably give this even more attention. Too much irony to reward this when you have all of Hollywood warmongering over Ukraine. They envision Putin as being the POS German general without realizing that they themselves, and their buddies in the government, are the POS French general from the film, not much different from their enemy Its just my point of view. I could judge the technical aspects. But without reading the novel, or at least dont remember seeing the previous adaptations. I couldnt today judge the movie, without remembering the not so quite Eastern Front.
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Post by forksforest on Jan 31, 2023 3:45:55 GMT
Well, that was straight devastating, damn. As someone who hates and tries to stay away from war films (I swear half of them are touted as anti-war and the other half are “doing something new!” But never really do, and that includes 1917), this actually felt like it hit home. That was haunting - agreed w the comments about the first 15 minutes really aptly foreshadowing the harrowing tone early on, and the last 15 minutes just crushing you even when you think you’ve been through all the emotions already.
Def my pick for score, and I’d be giving nods to Kammerer, Schuch and Brühl (I’m biased w the latter but this year has a weak supporting actor category).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 4:00:10 GMT
This exists.
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Post by Brother Fease on Feb 4, 2023 13:13:58 GMT
Its just my point of view. I could judge the technical aspects. But without reading the novel, or at least dont remember seeing the previous adaptations. I couldnt today judge the movie, without remembering the not so quite Eastern Front. It's your opinion, but you show no evidence to support it. There's a lot of wars happening today. The whole point of the film -- beautifully depicted -- is that war never actually ends. There's always a new battle brewing in the background. The movie is resonating because of how powerful it conveys that message without holding hands or self-explaining.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 4, 2023 14:01:39 GMT
Its just my point of view. I could judge the technical aspects. But without reading the novel, or at least dont remember seeing the previous adaptations. I couldnt today judge the movie, without remembering the not so quite Eastern Front. It's your opinion, but you show no evidence to support it. There's a lot of wars happening today. The whole point of the film -- beautifully depicted -- is that war never actually ends. There's always a new battle brewing in the background. The movie is resonating because of how powerful it conveys that message without holding hands or self-explaining. Not all are a few miles from Germany
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 5, 2023 21:37:49 GMT
One minor thing that I liked about the original scenes with the German general was how they would reflect on prior military glories like the Franco-Prussian War. It kind of expands on Brother Fease point about war never actually ending and always brewing in the background, in that these major wars don’t just never end but also help set the stage for the next one. The Germans were so confident that they would march on Paris in just a few months because that’s exactly what happened not even 50 years earlier in the Franco-Prussian War. This war would’ve also been fresh on the minds of the French high command but we don’t really see that in the film since we don’t really get to see the French perspective here. It’s part of the reason why the French wanted the peace treaty to be so harsh against the Germans - they wanted vengeance for that embarrassment they suffered when the Prussians had their way with the French army and declared themselves a new German empire in the palace of Versailles, and the whole country damn near spiraled into anarchy with the Paris Commune uprising afterwards. And of course, as we all know, the French imposing a harsh treaty as a form of revenge for the embarrassment they suffered in the Franco-Prussian War directly lead to the rise of Hitler and World War II It’s a very minor detail in these conversations when we get away from the trenches to spend some time with the German high command, but adds a lot of context to how things got to this point
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 28, 2023 1:25:16 GMT
2nd viewing. this is such a great film.
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Post by hugobolso on Mar 3, 2023 15:43:17 GMT
After seen the 1930 version. I remember a lot of Murnau Nosferatu and Werner Herzog Nosferatu. The stum und drang is present in the new version. But also politics, that apparently weren't part of Erich Maria Remarque original novel. According to the youtube channel Be Kind Rewind.-
Several humanist part like Paul relationship with their parents, specially with his mother, was excluded from this film, in order to give us 15 minutes of Danielito Brühl political drama with prostetics.-
The main villain, the general, is a character created specially by this movie, and never existed in real life.- While All Quiet on the Western Front was a Pre Code Drama, and that is a plus and is a 9.6. This movie is a solid 8.4
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Post by Joaquim on Mar 3, 2023 18:14:23 GMT
The main villain, the general, is a character created specially by this movie, and never existed in real life.- He’s an amalgamation of generals Paul von Hindenburg and Erich Ludendorff
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Post by hugobolso on Mar 3, 2023 19:12:11 GMT
The main villain, the general, is a character created specially by this movie, and never existed in real life.- He’s an amalgamation of generals Paul von Hindenburg and Erich Ludendorff Thanks I didn't know that. Not only but also the last hours before the armisticio was also inventes for the film according to this critic comparison
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Post by hugobolso on Mar 3, 2023 19:12:51 GMT
The main villain, the general, is a character created specially by this movie, and never existed in real life.- He’s an amalgamation of generals Paul von Hindenburg and Erich Ludendorff Thanks I didn't know that. Not only but also the last hours before the armisticio was also inventes for the film according to this critic comparison
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Post by Brother Fease on Mar 3, 2023 19:28:11 GMT
2nd viewing. this is such a great film. Absolutely. My favorite of the BP nominees. Deserves all the Oscars it is up for. I was a bit shocked it didn’t get Director or Editing. Just a gorgeous experience.
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Post by Joaquim on Mar 3, 2023 22:37:06 GMT
He’s an amalgamation of generals Paul von Hindenburg and Erich Ludendorff Thanks I didn't know that. Not only but also the last hours before the armisticio was also inventes for the film according to this critic comparison Didn’t watch the vid but yea the one glaring inaccuracy I can think of off the top of my head is that an attack like the one at the end of the film would’ve more likely been ordered by the French trying to gain more territory before the armistice takes effect, not the Germans trying to recover lost territory. The Germans had essentially capitulated at this point due to lack of manpower, morale and their ports being blockaded by the British. Even Hindenburg and Ludendorff were privately urging Erzberger (Daniel Brühl’s character) to sign an armistice no matter the cost, only to turn around and publicly declare that he was stabbing the German people in the back. This would eventually lead to Erzberger’s assassination by members of what was a precursor to the Nazi party The only other inaccuracy I can think of is that when the film puts us in the trenches, the artillery strikes should be constant. Like a machine gun going off. We should be hearing explosions and thuds from the artillery nonstop but this would’ve made the film a bit inaccessible to more general audiences so I can understand why that was scaled back a good bit
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 5, 2023 1:39:13 GMT
I came around on the music too. It's not the kind of score that has really noticeable or memorable single tracks you can dig up on Spotify (which sets it apart from 1917) but the music and how Berger uses it is totally unmistakable as you're watching the film. That pounding Zeppelin-inspired riff in "Remains" definitely stands out and contrasts chillingly with the nationalistic pride and innocence with which these kids children march off to war, and then that stunning moment towards the end after Kat's shooting with those jarring military drumlines set against barren wintry establishing shots -- feels so lonely and ominous like the end is near.
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 17, 2023 1:28:37 GMT
Terrible and amateurish. War Horse, 1917, etc. shit on this movie.
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Post by Martin Stett on Sept 20, 2023 1:19:39 GMT
A war movie like any other. The book is good, but this is jazzed up until it is unrecognizable. Just like 1917, or Dunkirk, or any other picture of this kind, it is just a bunch of brutality. I get it. I got it less than five minutes in. And then the movie just goes on and on. This doesn't put us in the shoes of its characters, because the experience of watching a movie *CANNOT* capture the experience of warfare. It is silly that so many amateurish losers in the cinematic world keep trying to do so.
The book was sad because of the mundanity of it all. This is very much a *movie,* and far worse for it because of that.
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