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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 23, 2022 11:37:34 GMT
You just had 4 people on this board - a board you are a part of - in a row - hugo, flassus, Joaquim, and pacinoyes - tell you that "historians" don't mean much to them or at least the results of their poll you referenced are not above some level of dispute or disagreement......opinion is just that an opinion
Your Amity Shlaes example proves my point - she would rank Coolidge above FDR .....ok, interesting theory.......less interesting than Joaquim's post actually imo......and also Shiaes is far, far in the minority......she's human, she's entitled to her POV, no less, but certainly no more.....
Personally I think you should treat the board - which you are a part of (again) - and our diversity of opinion on politics - with the same level of reverence with which you apparently treat these "historian" people that you've never exchanged thoughts with at all...on any subject........ever.
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Post by Brother Fease on Sept 23, 2022 12:29:51 GMT
You just had 4 people on this board - a board you are a part of - in a row - hugo, flassus, Joaquim, and pacinoyes - tell you that "historians" don't mean much to them or at least the results of their poll you referenced are not above some level of dispute or disagreement......opinion is just that an opinion Your Amity Shiaes example proves my point - she would rank Coolidge above FDR .....ok, interesting theory.......less interesting than Joaquim's post actually imo......and also Shiaes is far, far in the minority......she's human, she's entitled to her POV, no less, but certainly no more..... Personally I think you should treat the board - which you are a part of (again) - and our diversity of opinion on politics - with the same level of reverence with which you apparently treat these "historian" people that you've never exchanged thoughts with at all...on any subject........ever. Show me proof Amity put Coolidge ahead of FDR? Come on now. Actually back up your evidence. I agree these people are not Gods, but a group of experts. Second of all, they survey a large number of people. Any biases would get evened out.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 23, 2022 13:29:26 GMT
You just had 4 people on this board - a board you are a part of - in a row - hugo, flassus, Joaquim, and pacinoyes - tell you that "historians" don't mean much to them or at least the results of their poll you referenced are not above some level of dispute or disagreement......opinion is just that an opinion Your Amity Shiaes example proves my point - she would rank Coolidge above FDR .....ok, interesting theory.......less interesting than Joaquim's post actually imo......and also Shiaes is far, far in the minority......she's human, she's entitled to her POV, no less, but certainly no more..... Personally I think you should treat the board - which you are a part of (again) - and our diversity of opinion on politics - with the same level of reverence with which you apparently treat these "historian" people that you've never exchanged thoughts with at all...on any subject........ever. Show me proof Amity put Coolidge ahead of FDR? Come on now. Actually back up your evidence. ..............Second of all, they survey a large number of people. Any biases would get evened out 1. My job is not to educate you on Amity Shiaes ...........you're an adult you have access to a computer..........my job is merely to educate you on bands and what not..... 2. Read her book - she literally calls Coolidge one of the best Presidents - ever - and dissects FDR - extremely negatively on the entire New Deal...... YOU prove me wrong and show me the individual voting ballots ok? - how about that?
3. Also you have no way at all of knowing what biases would "even out" either - that's just a wild assumption on your part presented as "fact" .......which you do a lot.......
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Post by Brother Fease on Sept 23, 2022 14:08:13 GMT
Show me proof Amity put Coolidge ahead of FDR? Come on now. Actually back up your evidence. ..............Second of all, they survey a large number of people. Any biases would get evened out 1. My job is not to educate you on Amity Shiaes ...........you're an adult you have access to a computer..........my job is merely to educate you on bands and what not..... 2. Read her book - she literally calls Coolidge one of the best Presidents - ever - and dissects FDR - extremely negatively on the entire New Deal...... YOU prove me wrong and show me the individual voting ballots ok? - how about that?
3. Also you have no way at all of knowing what biases would "even out" either - that's just a wild assumption on your part presented as "fact" .......which you do a lot....... here is the list of participants www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2017/?page=participants Tell me which ones are Obama plants? Which ones shouldn’t have a say in these polls? Based on your meme, sounds you don’t want a conversation? I say something negative about Mr. Trump and his supporters, and you go nuts.
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Post by quetee on Sept 23, 2022 15:25:10 GMT
Trump will be remembered as the worst president ever. And yes, I'm saying ever. Screwed up the pandemic response. Denied it existed for sport. An attempted coup. NY AG filing a lawsuit against him. DOJ will be filling charges against him. A racist. Didn't want Nikki Haley as a candidate because her skin is too dark. Excuse me, he's MFing orange. Then goes on record and says stupid shit like all you have to do is think it and the document is declassified. etc etc etc.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 23, 2022 16:07:40 GMT
1. My job is not to educate you on Amity Shlaes ...........you're an adult you have access to a computer..........my job is merely to educate you on bands and what not..... 2. Read her book - she literally calls Coolidge one of the best Presidents - ever - and dissects FDR - extremely negatively on the entire New Deal...... YOU prove me wrong and show me the individual voting ballots ok? - how about that?
3. Also you have no way at all of knowing what biases would "even out" either - that's just a wild assumption on your part presented as "fact" .......which you do a lot....... here is the list of participants www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2017/?page=participants Tell me which ones are Obama plants? Which ones shouldn’t have a say in these polls? ...............I say something negative about Mr. Trump and his supporters, and you go nuts. 1. No one went nuts because you said something negative about Trump - don't give yourself credit you haven't earned - rather 4 MAR members - across the political spectrum - logically and reasonably responded negatively to the validity of a historian poll that you brought up - unsolicited - and that you can not answer my specific question about.
2. Here is what Shlaes said about Coolidge - #2 above - "the forgotten president.... his economic performance and his statesmanship suggest [he] belongs in the top quarter of presidents" - meanwhile she wrote a whole other book critical of FDR and the New Deal en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amity_Shlaes3. I didn't say anyone was an Obama plant did I (?) I didn't say anybody shouldn't have a say in these polls did I (?) I asked you for Shlaes ballot which you haven't provided, instead you act very much like Donald Trump yourself - change the conversation in an attempt to deflect. Providing the full list of particpants doesn't prove or reject your "even things out" - #3 above^ - hypothesis in any way at all - that remains a wild assertation that you can not - as of yet - prove.
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Post by Brother Fease on Sept 23, 2022 16:09:55 GMT
Trump will be remembered as the worst president ever. And yes, I'm saying ever. Screwed up the pandemic response. Denied it existed for sport. An attempted coup. NY AG filing a lawsuit against him. DOJ will be filling charges against him. A racist. Didn't want Nikki Haley as a candidate because her skin is too dark. Excuse me, he's MFing orange. Then goes on record and says stupid shit like all you have to do is think it and the document is declassified. etc etc etc. Trump is too politically damaged to run again and win. The worst has yet to come.
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Post by quetee on Sept 23, 2022 16:49:46 GMT
Trump will be remembered as the worst president ever. And yes, I'm saying ever. Screwed up the pandemic response. Denied it existed for sport. An attempted coup. NY AG filing a lawsuit against him. DOJ will be filling charges against him. A racist. Didn't want Nikki Haley as a candidate because her skin is too dark. Excuse me, he's MFing orange. Then goes on record and says stupid shit like all you have to do is think it and the document is declassified. etc etc etc. Trump is too politically damaged to run again and win. The worst has yet to come. he would only do it because he thinks he wont go to jail.
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 23, 2022 23:39:21 GMT
Nahhhh Hugo’s got a point. These historians are absolutely Obama stooges or at the very least they just have it out for trump and are letting it affect their judgment. They try to make it look legitimate by putting Buchanan and Johnson at the bottom where they belong (Johnson should be ranked worse than Buchanan tho, that’s the tell). You can’t seriously tell me Trump was worse than Warren G. Harding or Franklin Pierce. No, Hugo doesn't have a point. Show me any evidence the historians aren't really historians or that they are somehow "Obama stooges". What you posted here is complete and utter nonsense here. I am trying to be as nice as possible.
Warren G. Harding didn't do anything seriously wrong. He died two years into his presidency. The only thing he did which was wrong at the time was drink and gamble at the White House. His reputation only took a dive AFTER he passed away. He is ranked low because of what his staff did. Not he himself. Basically the criticism was that he turned a blind eye to corruption.
Trump was a pretty terrible president - low poll numbers, cruel immigration policies, fought against protecting LGBTQ workers from discrimination, botched COVID-19 response, engaged in undercover relations with the Russian Government, got impeached twice and now you can add stealing documents to the long list of failures.
Trump being on the bottom is a no-brainer.
When did I ever suggest that they’re not historians? All I said is they’re Obama stooges or at the very least have it out for Trump and are letting it affect their judgement. I didn’t say they’re not historians. And yes, Hugo does have a point. You want proof? Here you go, straight from the horse’s mouth: That’s just one of the survey respondents. You want me to do the rest and see what other comments I’ll dig up that wouldn’t look out of place on this board? Thank you for posting a link with the names of all the survey respondents, it made my research a lot easier See, hugobolso, it’s not hard to look up the names of the people who voted in these surveys and then go find their tweets where they wear their bias on their sleeves And who appointed Warren G Harding’s staff? If he’s appointing corrupt, useless people to surround him that says a lot about Harding’s competence, especially when he’s delegating tasks because he’s more interested in partying and getting fucked up than actually doing his job. It’s one of the same criticisms I have of Trump. He sucked at appointing the right people. The best thing Harding did as president was croak and make way for Calvin Coolidge I agree that Trump was terrible and he does belong in the bottom half, it’s just complete and utter nonsense to suggest he’s one of the 3 worst presidents of all time. Are you really using low poll numbers to justify ranking Trump as the worst? What does that make Biden and his record low poll numbers then? Cruel immigration policy? Obama deported more people and built the cages for those kids. I agree completely about the botched covid response tho. I hate Trump and have it out for him as much you do but I don’t let that impede my ability to judge objectively And come on, dude. It’s the year 2022 and you still believe in RussiaGate? Trump Derangement Syndrome is real, brother
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Post by Joaquim on Sept 23, 2022 23:41:30 GMT
Trump is too politically damaged to run again and win. The worst has yet to come. he would only do it because he thinks he wont go to jail. I remember that one time an “enemy of the state” was forced to take power because it was the only way to avoid prosecution. That worked out pretty well
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