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Post by JangoB on Sept 3, 2022 10:45:11 GMT
Sorry for stealing your format Brother Fease but I just couldn't wait to discuss this  Iñárritu's big return to the movies may seem like a big awards hopeful but it got a very mixed reception by the critics in Venice (although I really feel that for some reason many of them came with their knives already sharpened) and it sure doesn't sound like an audience flick either so I was wondering how the good folks of MAR felt about its Oscar chances. Will it become a failed BP contender with just a couple of mentions like Cinematography and International Film? Or do you think it still has a shot at snatching a whole bunch of nominations? Or maybe you're convinced that it'll become the first AGI film to be completely ignored by AMPAS? How do you see the situation at this early stage?  |
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Post by JangoB on Sept 3, 2022 11:00:53 GMT
Right now I'm honestly feeling that it still may become a fairly solid BP nominee. Yes, critics have turned on AGI this time but the amount of adoration he's got in the industry suggests to me that this big and very personal movie of his may impress enough devotees for it to break in. Mixed reviews don't really mean that a project has no shot at getting in the Oscar 10 as we've seen with multiple contenders in the last couple of years. Although I do realize that an audience hit like Jojo Rabbit or Joker getting critically smacked is not quite the same as an arty and non-universal movie like Bardo having the same kind of reception.
But even with that in mind I can't help but feel that AGI's showoff-y tendencies may yet again result in some big time recognition from the industry. Apparently the movie has plenty of long takes, complicated shots and very out-there swings for the fences which honestly sounds like directors' branch catnip. So I can easily picture the people who've properly showered AGI with Oscars with his last two flicks responding in a positive way to a more personal and yet still ambitious and flashy piece of work from him.
It seems like Khondji's cinematography has been receiving the most praise so I feel that his second nomination (such an underrated guy) is absolutely on the table. I've also seen very kind words for the film's production design (and they do like Caballero working with the three amigos on big movies) so that can happen too. And if AGI's AMPAS fans come through, nominations like Director and Original Screenplay are something that I don't have too much trouble imagining either. Ditto International Film. Honestly, I can even see it getting all of the above and still missing BP in a 'it's not universal enough but we do recognize the vision and the ambition' kind of way. Of course we'll see how the situation develops throughout the season but at this point the reviews aren't making me drop this from my predictions.
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Post by Brother Fease on Sept 3, 2022 11:18:42 GMT
Sorry for stealing your format Brother Fease but I just couldn't wait to discuss this Iñárritu's big return to the movies may seem like a big awards hopeful but it got a very mixed reception by the critics in Venice (although I really feel that for some reason many of them came with their knives already sharpened) and it sure doesn't sound like an audience flick either so I was wondering how the good folks of MAR felt about its Oscar chances. Will it become a failed BP contender with just a couple of mentions like Cinematography and International Film? Or do you think it still has a shot at snatching a whole bunch of nominations? Or maybe you're convinced that it'll become the first AGI film to be completely ignored by AMPAS? How do you see the situation at this early stage? please steal my format. Let’s talk about these ahead of time. |
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Post by finniussnrub on Sept 3, 2022 13:13:22 GMT
Right now I'm honestly feeling that it still may become a fairly solid BP nominee. Yes, critics have turned on AGI this time but the amount of adoration he's got in the industry suggests to me that this big and very personal movie of his may impress enough devotees for it to break in. Mixed reviews don't really mean that a project has no shot at getting in the Oscar 10 as we've seen with multiple contenders in the last couple of years. Although I do realize that an audience hit like Jojo Rabbit or Joker getting critically smacked is not quite the same as an arty and non-universal movie like Bardo having the same kind of reception. Neither of those two were "critically smacked", there were loud detractors but the general critical consensus was positive for both. Both were further bolstered by very intense love by the "general audience", something I doubt Bardo will have in its corner. Having said that, while I do doubt its Best Picture chances, all of Iñárritu's films have received at least one Oscar nomination, so obviously he has his intense lovers in the Academy. But I'd say it sounds much more like a Biutiful (which to be fair still got 2 Oscar nominations) than a Birdman/Babel or The Revenant. |
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Post by stephen on Sept 3, 2022 13:25:20 GMT
I think it's absolutely still on the table for Cinematography and International Feature, and I don't even think it's off the table for Picture, Director, Actor or Original Screenplay. The Academy adores Iñárritu, and even though the Venice reception was very scathing, it did feel like there were a lot of daggers out for the man for one reason or another. Netflix is on the back foot now with both Bardo and White Noise underwhelming at Venice, and with Blonde likely too alienating for the Academy, I can't see them solely sticking with Glass Onion and not trying to shotgun as many nods as possible.
Fuck it. I'm going to still predict it for Picture (lower end of the Top 10), Original Screenplay, International Feature (assuming it gets selected by Mexico) and Cinematography. Director, I can see him getting DGA but he's currently on the outside right now for me but the Academy's love for the man cannot be overlooked.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 3, 2022 13:36:37 GMT
Cinematography and possibly IFF.
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Post by JangoB on Sept 3, 2022 13:40:24 GMT
Right now I'm honestly feeling that it still may become a fairly solid BP nominee. Yes, critics have turned on AGI this time but the amount of adoration he's got in the industry suggests to me that this big and very personal movie of his may impress enough devotees for it to break in. Mixed reviews don't really mean that a project has no shot at getting in the Oscar 10 as we've seen with multiple contenders in the last couple of years. Although I do realize that an audience hit like Jojo Rabbit or Joker getting critically smacked is not quite the same as an arty and non-universal movie like Bardo having the same kind of reception. Neither of those two were "critically smacked", there were loud detractors but the general critical consensus was positive for both. Both were further bolstered by very intense love by the "general audience", something I doubt Bardo will have in its corner. Having said that, while I do doubt its Best Picture chances, all of Iñárritu's films have received at least one Oscar nomination, so obviously he has his intense lovers in the Academy. But I'd say it sounds much more like a Biutiful (which to be fair still got 2 Oscar nominations) than a Birdman/Babel or The Revenant. Well, by 'smacked' I didn't mean uber-trashed or anything. Just... smacked. Slapped around. Ragged on a bit. Of course 58 and 59 on Metacritic aren't garbage-level scores or anything. That's why I thought 'smack' was a mild enough word to use. |
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Post by JangoB on Sept 3, 2022 13:41:26 GMT
I think it's absolutely still on the table for Cinematography and International Feature, and I don't even think it's off the table for Picture, Director, Actor or Original Screenplay. The Academy adores Iñárritu, and even though the Venice reception was very scathing, it did feel like there were a lot of daggers out for the man for one reason or another. Netflix is on the back foot now with both Bardo and White Noise underwhelming at Venice, and with Blonde likely too alienating for the Academy, I can't see them solely sticking with Glass Onion and not trying to shotgun as many nods as possible. Fuck it. I'm going to still predict it for Picture (lower end of the Top 10), Original Screenplay, International Feature (assuming it gets selected by Mexico) and Cinematography. Director, I can see him getting DGA but he's currently on the outside right now for me but the Academy's love for the man cannot be overlooked.Especially if he's doing big directorial acrobatics again  |
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Post by stephen on Sept 3, 2022 14:19:40 GMT
I think it's absolutely still on the table for Cinematography and International Feature, and I don't even think it's off the table for Picture, Director, Actor or Original Screenplay. The Academy adores Iñárritu, and even though the Venice reception was very scathing, it did feel like there were a lot of daggers out for the man for one reason or another. Netflix is on the back foot now with both Bardo and White Noise underwhelming at Venice, and with Blonde likely too alienating for the Academy, I can't see them solely sticking with Glass Onion and not trying to shotgun as many nods as possible. Fuck it. I'm going to still predict it for Picture (lower end of the Top 10), Original Screenplay, International Feature (assuming it gets selected by Mexico) and Cinematography. Director, I can see him getting DGA but he's currently on the outside right now for me but the Academy's love for the man cannot be overlooked.Especially if he's doing big directorial acrobatics again Which it sounds like he is doing here yet again. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 3, 2022 14:29:44 GMT
If this even begins to sniff top categories, what happened on set may very well bury it.
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Post by stephen on Sept 3, 2022 14:31:17 GMT
If this even begins to sniff top categories, what happened on set may very well bury it. that even happened. |
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Post by flasuss on Sept 3, 2022 16:55:05 GMT
The Academy loves heavy handed direction and self-importance, so naturally AGI is their man. It could certainly be a contender for all categories, though the very disturbing allegations about it would certainly hurt it's campaign and chances of winning.
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Post by JangoB on Sept 4, 2022 8:31:36 GMT
Especially if he's doing big directorial acrobatics again Which it sounds like he is doing here yet again. Aaand we've already got confirmed fans in Chloe Zhao, Lulu Wang and Barry Jenkins. |
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Post by stephen on Sept 4, 2022 18:20:47 GMT
Which it sounds like he is doing here yet again. Aaand we've already got confirmed fans in Chloe Zhao, Lulu Wang and Barry Jenkins. Lulu Wang herself might be the best campaigner Netflix has in its arsenal right now. Her twitter praise for Bardo is beyond effusive. |
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