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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 5, 2022 2:15:20 GMT
Empire of Light has 54 on Metacritic atm. Not sure it even gets nominated tbh.
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Post by madmonsterparty on Sept 5, 2022 2:32:48 GMT
Could be!!! A dynasty in the making!! I know I'm bringing up an old talking point here, but I'm still rooting for a Cry Macho surge for this year though. It's bound to win eventually. Believe me. Cry Macho could always win next year and stop it from repeating. I just think it's so hard to compete with a movie that hasn't been released, it can't possibly get worse reviews than anything that does get released. Very true. It's very hard to say anything bad about a movie that very few have seen yet!!!
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Post by stabcaesar on Sept 5, 2022 2:53:32 GMT
Empire of Light has 54 on Metacritic atm. Not sure it even gets nominated tbh. Ouch. Did not know that.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 5, 2022 5:26:44 GMT
I think we're looking at a solid 6 atm.
Babylon Everything Everywhere All At Once The Fabelmans TAR Top Gun: Maverick Women Talking
Potential shit show after that.
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Post by havok2 on Sept 5, 2022 15:36:30 GMT
Top Gun Maverick
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Post by quetee on Sept 5, 2022 17:02:48 GMT
I think they should just give it to Maverick and call it a night. Women Talking just looks like the type of movie that nobody but critics bother to see. The Academy needs to award best picture to a movie that people actually liked, did well with critics and saw. If they give it to yet another movie that nobody bother to watch then they need to go back to being a private event.
Right now, going with a picture/director split: Maverick/Spielberg.
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Post by havok2 on Sept 5, 2022 17:30:19 GMT
I think they should just give it to Maverick and call it a night. Women Talking just looks like the type of movie that nobody but critics bother to see. The Academy needs to award best picture to a movie that people actually liked, did well with critics and saw. If they give it to yet another movie that nobody bother to watch then they need to go back to being a private event. Right now, going with a picture/director split: Maverick/Spielberg. Yeah nobody dislikes Maverick plus it's outpacing Titanic and it feels like the Gladiator of the year.
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Post by quetee on Sept 5, 2022 17:36:55 GMT
I think they should just give it to Maverick and call it a night. Women Talking just looks like the type of movie that nobody but critics bother to see. The Academy needs to award best picture to a movie that people actually liked, did well with critics and saw. If they give it to yet another movie that nobody bother to watch then they need to go back to being a private event. Right now, going with a picture/director split: Maverick/Spielberg. Yeah nobody dislikes Maverick plus it's outpacing Titanic and it feels like the Gladiator of the year. It's the most obvious choice at this point.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 5, 2022 20:03:01 GMT
If the Oscars were held tomorrow, I still don't think Top Gun would win.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 5, 2022 22:39:35 GMT
If the Oscars were held tomorrow, I still don't think Top Gun would win. I think you’re severely underestimating it.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 5, 2022 23:07:21 GMT
I think they should just give it to Maverick and call it a night. Women Talking just looks like the type of movie that nobody but critics bother to see. The Academy needs to award best picture to a movie that people actually liked, did well with critics and saw. If they give it to yet another movie that nobody bother to watch then they need to go back to being a private event. Right now, going with a picture/director split: Maverick/Spielberg. Yeah nobody dislikes Maverick plus it's outpacing Titanic and it feels like the Gladiator of the year. Are you talking about what the Oscars should do or what they will do? Because the Oscar for BP goes to movies nobody watched all the time so that is not a very strong argument as to why Women Talking won’t win.
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Post by michael128 on Sept 5, 2022 23:13:12 GMT
If Beyonce decides to release a theatrical film for her new album Renaissance, I could see that doing well.
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Post by havok2 on Sept 6, 2022 2:04:59 GMT
Yeah nobody dislikes Maverick plus it's outpacing Titanic and it feels like the Gladiator of the year. Are you talking about what the Oscars should do or what they will do? Because the Oscar for BP goes to movies nobody watched all the time so that is not a very strong argument as to why Women Talking won’t win. Didn't say that. Boomer moment
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Sept 6, 2022 2:21:43 GMT
Are you talking about what the Oscars should do or what they will do? Because the Oscar for BP goes to movies nobody watched all the time so that is not a very strong argument as to why Women Talking won’t win. Didn't say that. Boomer moment Clearly intended to be a reply to the guy before you..
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 6, 2022 22:22:44 GMT
If the Oscars were held tomorrow, I still don't think Top Gun would win. I think you’re severely underestimating it. Fair enough, and I think some of you are overestimating it.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 7, 2022 13:05:47 GMT
I think you’re severely underestimating it. Fair enough, and I think some of you are overestimating it. Perhaps, but it has almost universal appeal, both commercially and critically. Even though it’s IP it’s viewed as a breath of fresh air and the opposite of Marvel with its practical effects and old school movie star lead. And it’s likely to benefit from a preferential ballot system. I’d predict it gets a huge percentage of top 5 vote placements, whereas something like EEAAO might have passion for more #1 votes but will also find itself at the very bottom of a lot of ballots as well.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 7, 2022 16:39:07 GMT
Fair enough, and I think some of you are overestimating it. Perhaps, but it has almost universal appeal, both commercially and critically. Even though it’s IP it’s viewed as a breath of fresh air and the opposite of Marvel with its practical effects and old school movie star lead. And it’s likely to benefit from a preferential ballot system. I’d predict it gets a huge percentage of top 5 vote placements, whereas something like EEAAO might have passion for more #1 votes but will also find itself at the very bottom of a lot of ballots as well. I think what EEAAO has going in its favour over Top Gun, is that it's going to get at least 2 acting noms, and is more likely to get into Director too.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Sept 8, 2022 6:36:20 GMT
Fuck it, I’ll say Top Gun. Lots of people love it, and nobody dislikes it, both of which are key to winning on a preferential ballot. It’s a massive crowdpleaser, it’s got emotional moments, it ends on a high note, it hits those nostalgia buttons… plus it has a legitimate chance at both BA and adapted screenplay nominations since both those categories are wastelands. Hitting PGA, DGA, SAG, WGA + tech guilds actually feels pretty realistic to me.
We don’t know how The Fabelmans is yet, but my gut tells me that it might be a bit too slight to go all the way. It could be great, but it doesn’t strike me as the type of thing that will generate enough passion to propel it to a win.
Even though EEAAO is probably going to get at least 2 acting noms and is more likely to get into Director, I still don’t buy it as a winner... just feels too oddball/silly, potentially tiresome for some viewers, and not to everyone’s taste. This is anecdotal, but the fact that I’m seeing “this is the worst movie I've ever seen” on random user reviews doesn’t exactly inspire confidence that it will outperform Top Gun on a preferential ballot, especially since that has near-perfect audience scores. That’s not to say EEAAO won’t have passion, just that it doesn’t have as wide of appeal as Top Gun.
Babylon is really the only other movie I could see winning. It’ll probably have the largest nomination total and it’s performed very well at test screenings, but a couple things about it give me pause: The fact that there’s no fest premiere, its runtime (which is apparently 3 hours?), plus part of me thinks that the more prudish members of the Academy might not respond well to the film’s purported salaciousness. While the film’s old Hollywood setting makes it seem like it could be Academy catnip, I’m just not sure I can see everyone completely embracing a three-hour carnival of decadence and debauchery. I imagine it will do better nomination-wise than Wolf of Wall St, but still...
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Post by quetee on Sept 8, 2022 20:12:57 GMT
Fuck it, I’ll say Top Gun. Lots of people love it, and nobody dislikes it, both of which are key to winning on a preferential ballot. It’s a massive crowdpleaser, it’s got emotional moments, it ends on a high note, it hits those nostalgia buttons… plus it has a legitimate chance at both BA and adapted screenplay nominations since both those categories are wastelands. Hitting PGA, DGA, SAG, WGA + tech guilds actually feels pretty realistic to me. We don’t know how The Fabelmans is yet, but my gut tells me that it might be a bit too slight to go all the way. It could be great, but it doesn’t strike me as the type of thing that will generate enough passion to propel it to a win. Even though EEAAO is probably going to get at least 2 acting noms and is more likely to get into Director, I still don’t buy it as a winner... just feels too oddball/silly, potentially tiresome for some viewers, and not to everyone’s taste. This is anecdotal, but the fact that I’m seeing “this is the worst movie I've ever seen” on random user reviews doesn’t exactly inspire confidence that it will outperform Top Gun on a preferential ballot, especially since that has near-perfect audience scores. That’s not to say EEAAO won’t have passion, just that it doesn’t have as wide of appeal as Top Gun. Babylon is really the only other movie I could see winning. It’ll probably have the largest nomination total and it’s performed very well at test screenings, but a couple things about it give me pause: The fact that there’s no fest premiere, its runtime (which is apparently 3 hours?), plus part of me thinks that the more prudish members of the Academy might not respond well to the film’s purported salaciousness. While the film’s old Hollywood setting makes it seem like it could be Academy catnip, I’m just not sure I can see everyone completely embracing a three-hour carnival of decadence and debauchery. I imagine it will do better nomination-wise than Wolf of Wall St, but still... When I saw it everybody was cheering, laughing and crying. It is just a movie where people feel happy after they have watched it. My dad saw in twice in one week. After he saw it the first time, he said when he saw it again it was like watching a different movie. So in other words, felt fresh to him the second time. He was telling me that he plans on seeing it again which I'm sure he has done so already. My dad rarely watched newer movies and said it was the best movie he had seen in a long time.
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Post by countjohn on Sept 10, 2022 22:55:00 GMT
I'm just not seeing Top Gun. It's pretty much just a "boom boom" action movie that borrows some heart from Goose dying in the first film and the real life situation with Kilmer. Cruise of course carries it with his charisma but that's the case for all his action movies and this isn't any better than an MI movie, Edge of Tomorrow, or Oblivion. I wouldn't have had any objection to stuff like The Dark Knight, Skyfall (since The Master had no shot), or Joker winning but this just doesn't seem like the right "blockbuster choice". I think it still gets a nom as a nod to the commercial success but that's it.
These days the Academy always seems to go for the boring little dick energy film twitter movie that everyone forgets about as soon as it wins. When's the last time you've thought about Spotlight, Moonlight, Shape of Water, Nomadland, or Coda? With actual classics like The Revenant, La La Land, or Phantom Thread losing out. Sounds like Fablemans and/or Babylon will be the classic that loses out this year while they give it to Women Talking or something.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Sept 10, 2022 23:32:09 GMT
I'm just not seeing Top Gun. It's pretty much just a "boom boom" action movie that borrows some heart from Goose dying in the first film and the real life situation with Kilmer. Cruise of course carries it with his charisma but that's the case for all his action movies and this isn't any better than an MI movie, Edge of Tomorrow, or Oblivion. None of those movies came close to the combination of commercial success and critical acclaim that Top Gun has though. You may not think the movie is any better than those films, but clearly plenty of others (perhaps potential voters) think differently.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Sept 11, 2022 8:09:18 GMT
Thoughts on The Fabelmans from someone at AW who was at the premiere:
“The Licorice Pizza comparison is actually pretty apt. Kind of got Linklater vibes too. It's essentially a memory piece that doesn't really follow one plot. It sort of jumps from incident to incident without an obvious throughline, which is why some people found it meandering. Looser than I expected, and surprisingly not super sentimental.”
This is my most anticipated film for the rest of the year, and it sounds like something I will love, but the comments about it being “meandering” and “loose” on top of it being a “small and sweet coming of age story” with “a very soft touch” and “not an obvious crowdpleaser” don’t really scream BP winner to me, especially with the comparison to Licorice Pizza (though it seems like it’s more emotional/moving than that). I still think this will be a top 5 BP film, and the fact that it checks the “love letter to cinema” box is definitely a feather in its cap... I just get the feeling BP will go to something bigger this year.
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Post by countjohn on Sept 11, 2022 14:36:05 GMT
Literally nothing can get me more excited for a movie than comparing it to Licorice Pizza. I have such a stiff erection right now. (though it seems like it’s more emotional/moving than that). I was deeply moved by Licorice Pizza.
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Post by DeepArcher on Sept 12, 2022 18:36:33 GMT
Officially going with Everything Everywhere until completely convinced otherwise. It'll be a bit of an upset, but I think it takes SAG Ensemble and rides the momentum to a surprise BP win.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Sept 14, 2022 0:40:15 GMT
Surprised to see Women Talking with the most votes in this thread. I get that the subject matter is "timely," but I'm not really seeing a lot of passion for it (at least among Toronto critics), and the response to it feels more like polite admiration. Also looks like a common complaint about it is its apparent "staginess," so I'm not sure the film is even a top 5 BP contender.
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