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Post by hugobolso on Jul 28, 2022 16:21:23 GMT
Pfeiffer, despite the fact that both were blond and worked in a forgettable american version of King Lear.- There are not much more in common. Lange is much older, and have the luck of being more praised by the Academy. However most of her work is forgettable. Imagine Cape of Fear or Rob Roy with Pfeiffer, should be much better movies.- Pfeiffer has much more better films, and beyond that more pop and accesible, and usually she is great in all of them. She is clearly a star. While Lange hasn't the charisma and works depends on the material and direction.-
The only time I trully love Lange was in Frances, and in the two first AHS.-
Ps. There are other thing that had in common. They weren't born at the proper time. If Pfeiffer was born 10 years later, she probably would be a 2 Academy Awards Winner, because she would take all the Nicole Kidman and Charlize Theron movies, because she is much popular, attractive, magnetic and definitive better actress than them.-
If Lange was born 10 years before, and started her career younger, probably will be the muse of several directors including Alfred Hitchcock.-
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Post by futuretrunks on Jul 28, 2022 22:31:51 GMT
For me Pfeiffer is basically hands down the most talented actress ever who is a first-rate beauty, which makes her a unicorn (give or take a Vivien Leigh). I think she's incredibly emotionally expressive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2022 3:10:56 GMT
Re. Pfeiffer never having done stage work... Do you think the success of her performance in Dangerous Liaisons suggests that she'd be capable of great stage acting?
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Post by futuretrunks on Jul 29, 2022 3:29:30 GMT
Re. Pfeiffer never having done stage work... Do you think the success of her performance in Dangerous Liaisons suggests that she'd be capable of great stage acting? Many great screen actors who've never done stage would do well to amazing on it. It's why it's a pointless parameter to bring into discussions of people we've collectively largely assessed on shit we've seen filmed. I don't need to see Winslet or Leo on Broadway to think they're far greater actors than Adam Driver or Cate Blanchett. I saw what I saw, and I judged accordingly. For me, Lange loses because of stuff like Married to the Mob. The tenderness, fragility, sexiness, etc. on display is a combination I don't think Lange is capable of. Pfeiffer could meld things way better than her. Lange struck me as another hysteric like Gena Rowlands.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jul 29, 2022 3:40:59 GMT
If you think about it, Lange's filmography is honestly quite terrible, especially considering how long her career is. I feel like her only beloved films are Tootsie (which isn't even that popular) and All That Jazz. I would definitely say out of her peers (Meryl Streep, Susan Sarandon, Sissy Spacek, Glenn Close, Sigourney Weaver etc.) her filmography is easily the most forgotten simply because those films are just not very good. Her legacy is mostly in tv (esp. AHS) and theatre. Pfeiffer on the other hand has Scarface, Dangerous Liaisons, The Age of Innocence, Batman Returns, and some more minor ones like The Fabulous Baker Boys, and she was good or great in all of them. I mean, none of these are Shawshank Redemption level of iconic, but still, it's a pretty strong dialogue. So yeah, Pfeiffer takes it on a cakewalk imo. Lol... you mention TV but you don't even mention Feud which is better than any film performance in the last 5 years? So Audrey Hepburn is better than Marilyn Monroe because she has the better filmography? BTW, Marilyn >>>> Audrey - for anyone who hasn't seen The Misfits. I guess Cary Grant is better than Peter O'Toole? Former has a much better filmography. ??? Hepburn in Roman Holiday is better than Marilyn in anything.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 29, 2022 4:03:49 GMT
Lol... you mention TV but you don't even mention Feud which is better than any film performance in the last 5 years? So Audrey Hepburn is better than Marilyn Monroe because she has the better filmography? BTW, Marilyn >>>> Audrey - for anyone who hasn't seen The Misfits. I guess Cary Grant is better than Peter O'Toole? Former has a much better filmography. ??? Hepburn in Roman Holiday is better than Marilyn in anything. As I say again, The Misfits >>>> Audrey's entire career.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2022 4:13:24 GMT
Let's stay on topic, please.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 21:10:19 GMT
Jessica Lange on the set of All That Jazz...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 13:51:53 GMT
pacinoyes - Are you a fan of Lange’s Maggie the Cat from the 1984 Showtime adaptation?
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 12, 2022 16:10:44 GMT
pacinoyes - Are you a fan of Lange’s Maggie the Cat from the 1984 Showtime adaptation? Like a lot of her work it's a mixed bag depending on your POV - and there's A LOT to hate in it if you're predisposed to hate her......and love if you're predisposed to take it at its highest spots........she is almost scratching at the air - that's actually HER "Catwoman"......her hand fan is basically like a 5th paw....... In her big monologue - she's awesome though - in the rest of the play - it's like she's saving up for the big scene - but she nails the big scene...... she's sexy af straddling the edge of the bed and sort of gyrating in a way that is something to behold.......usually that scene is played teasingly to get under Brick's skin - she plays it like she's getting turned on by thinking of all the men who wanted her ..... It's a very Lange way to play it .......one of her best scenes ........... I think that's one of the reasons people don't get her tbh .......people think roles should be played "to type" in a simplistic way - a librarian should be played in the way we identify with librarians......... Lange would want to play a librarian because books represent sexual conquests, she became a librarian to drown out the voices in her head so she doesn't go completely stark raving mad.............. and she may have killed and buried someone in the Mystery section a long time ago........or she may have just imagined that happened ...........as the result of blocking out some trauma
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Post by ingmarhepburn on Aug 21, 2022 14:30:57 GMT
I'm a huge fan of both, but in this case, it's gotta be Lange. She's the most interesting and risk-taker out of the two; she's tried the three mediums (cinema, TV and theathre) and achieved enormous success in all of them. But of course, judging them only by their cinematic careers, they're very neck and neck.
I haven't seen her in American Horror Story, but Lange is excellent in Grey Gardens (even if I prefer Barrymore to her) and in Feud. I am also not familiar with her stage work, but I consider her tour-de-force performance in Frances one of the best of all time, and I am also a huge fan of her work in Blue Sky (apparently the latter is divisive around here, never knew why, but it must be only here, because if you read the film's entries on Wikipedia and Rotten Tomatoes, you will see that the performance received nothing but acclaim). She's also very good as Patsy Cline in Sweet Dreams (certainly better than the source material).
Pfeiffer delivered one of the best performances of the 80s in The Fabulous Baker Boys; some critics said she echoed Monroe and Hayworth, but I think she went even further than that, she built a character who is not only beautiful, but also intelligent, complex and mysterious, and we are left with the feeling that she deserves her own film, a separate film, without the two brothers. I also really like the way how she tackled the role of Catwoman; it's a very physical performance, because in the first part, she has to play awkward, and in the second part, she has to play sexy, dynamic and ferocious, and she nails both sides with ease. She's also great in Dangerous Liaisons, she would have been a very deserving Oscar winner for that performance.
It's a shame Pfeiffer never tried stage, because I can see her doing Tennessee Williams, for instance. It would be interesting to see her as Blanche or Alexandra Del Lago.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 21, 2022 20:00:05 GMT
I'm also a huge fan of both, but Lange has recently come along stronger than Pfeiffer. American Horror Story and Feud are Emmy winning performances in my books. Regardless what you think of Ryan Murphy, his shows are watchable for what they are..... entertainment, and some good performances that come along with them.
Now Pfeiffer has been off my radar for a bit. Her last very really performance is White Oleander. But it's hard to deny her from 1989-1993. She was destroying it.
There are 3 times I thought each deserved a win. Lange is my win for Frances - her tour de force performance, and she's easily better than anyone in film in 2017 with Feud. American Horror Story is the other one. She's also really fun queen bitch in The Postman Always Rings Twice, she gave a good rendition of Patsy Cline in Sweet Dreams, probably better than anyone from the nominees. Arguably as good as Vivien Leigh in A Streetcar Named Desire, she does the southern belle thing probably better. As a stage actress, she beats Pfeiffer. And on TV. This is her upper hand. She was fun in Cape Fear... she's camp extraordinare. And then very good in Blue Sky... she has a very serene quality to her that works. In Country, she was minor but it works for what it was.
Pfeiffer her top 3 to is Fabulous Baker Boys, Love Field, and The Age of Innocence. Actually maybe the last one was just a weak year (in my opinion), but the other 2 are EXCEPTIONAL. She was so in character in Love Field, and really brokethru her with Fabulous Baker Boys. Previously stuck in movie star mold, The Fabulous Baker Boys was the direction change for her, as you can see those improvements that she made. Lange was more of an instant hit as an actress tho, and didn't need much time before imposing her strengths, that is the quality she had over Pfeiffer. In addition to those, Pfeiffer was fun in Batman Begins. Probably better than Sean Penn in I Am Sam - her realism is really strong. More suited for film. Great at battling wits in White Oleander. A very strong villain too. Probably should've played Cruella De Vil in the 1996 101 Dalmatians which ultimately went to Glenn Close.
This isn't like Blanchett vs Kidman vs Winslet vs Watts or Lawrence vs Robbie vs Stone vs Ronan. This is actually a good comparison as I'm a huge fan of both..... but Lange slightly for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2022 17:19:35 GMT
I'm a huge fan of both, but in this case, it's gotta be Lange. She's the most interesting and risk-taker out of the two; she's tried the three mediums (cinema, TV and theathre) and achieved enormous success in all of them.
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