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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 1:10:17 GMT
So, if their films had been released theatrically, which performances do you think would have been Oscar contenders rather than Emmy contenders? I think this question is especially timely with the cinematic lines being so currently blurred. I'll start with... Cicely Tyson, The Autobiography of Miss Jane PittmanDrew Barrymore and Jessica Lange, Grey GardensClaire Danes, Temple Grandin
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Post by morton on Jun 20, 2022 1:16:18 GMT
Off the top of my head,
Julianne Moore, Game Change
Michelle Williams, Fosse
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jun 20, 2022 1:18:48 GMT
Tommy Lee Jones, The Executioner's Song
Dustin Hoffman, Death of a Salesman
George C. Scott, The Crucible
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Post by Mattsby on Jun 20, 2022 1:45:27 GMT
Too many to name; here's a bunch. Some are definitely "No way" mentions, but I love 'em......
Pacino, You Don’t Know Jack
Hoffman, Death of a Salesman
James Woods, Promise (over his Salvador nom even?)
Al Freeman Jr, My Sweet Charlie (stretch, but it’s such an insanely great perf)
Ingrid Bergman, A Woman Called Golda
Katharine Hepburn, Love Among the Ruins
Bette Davis, Strangers: The Story of a Mother and Daughter
Barbara Hershey, A Killing in a Small Town
Alfre Woodard & Charles Dutton, The Piano Lesson
Holly Hunter, Cheerleader-Murdering Mom (same year as Piano/Firm; too great a perf to ignore, they’d have to unbuckle the rules for her)
And multiple noms for Gena Rowlands, probably too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 1:51:57 GMT
Oh, of course Judy Davis as Judy Garland - although this was a mini-series and not a television film.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 20, 2022 4:35:20 GMT
I think Micheal Douglas might well have swept Oscar season and won his second Best Actor Oscar easily with his work as Liberace in Behind The Candelebra.
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Post by JangoB on Jun 20, 2022 8:09:09 GMT
Emma Thompson in "Wit" is the one that instantly came to mind.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 20, 2022 13:54:24 GMT
I think Micheal Douglas might well have swept Oscar season and won his second Best Actor Oscar easily with his work as Liberace in Behind The Candelebra.
He probably would have, had the subject matter not turned off enough studio executives, because that movie was originally planned as a theatrical release. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 20, 2022 14:25:02 GMT
A lot of the problem with men "winning" is the races that they'd be in - like Pacino is a tour de force in YDK Jack and that's his last transformative performance which is a huge plus - it's in his unfnckwithable all time top 10 - but would he have beaten Colin Firth THAT year? Maybe ...... I tend to doubt it though- he'd be top 2 I guess..... Michael Douglas I can't see winning a 2nd at all - on his 2nd nod (?) - and beating McConaughey or DiCap in 2013 - although that's one of his best - and least uptight - performances - an obvious nod. Maybe 3rd in category or 4th behind Ejiofor too ......those 2 - maybe 3 - were just too present that year to overtake imo. On the other hand usually Best Actress has a shakier firm race for Lead Actress Oscar - as opposed to men who are constantly getting make-up awards etc. where winning becomes tough and things like that - it's tough to envision a "narrative" when a TV male wins most years. I think some people who didn't even win the Emmy in Actress could have run a great campaign to win Best Actress possibly - maybe not win over Paltrow who was in the BP but possibly......... Angelina Jolie in Gia would be very easy to construct a campaign around .....still not sure how she lost the Emmy, except the Emmy's themselves - which are wacky and not as easy to win as people think which is why a lot of Oscar winners .........who did TV......... don't have an Emmy ..... That Jolie performance really LOOKS like a BA Oscar winning film performance tbh....  |
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Post by stephen on Jun 20, 2022 15:02:59 GMT
I think Micheal Douglas might well have swept Oscar season and won his second Best Actor Oscar easily with his work as Liberace in Behind The Candelebra.
I don't think he'd have swept against that field, but man, if you swap Bale out for him, that Best Actor lineup becomes legendary. |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jun 20, 2022 15:26:20 GMT
Sally Field for Sybil
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 20, 2022 15:44:11 GMT
Another thing to remember about Douglas is he was maybe closer to not being nodded than sweeping or winning - which I already said wasn't likely to beat out the top 2 or 3 in that field. Douglas was eligible for the BAFTA Film nod that year (Damon got in Supporting) and against that group he lost and missed - but Bale didn't miss......of course McConaughey won the Oscar and missed too - replacing Hanks at the Oscar from the BAFTA group  .......so you maybe could argue if Hanks was in the 6th spot like people love to say.......Douglas may have (possibly) been 7th ...... I think he'd be in the Oscar field but people overrate him as a threat to win - in that year anyway ......very strange year in so many ways..... |
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 20, 2022 16:39:27 GMT
I don't think he could have beaten Henry Fonda, but Anthony Hopkins (as Adolf Hitler) in The Bunker is awards catnip. The movie was a pretty cheap TV film that has been mostly forgotten save for its lead performance, but that lead performance does all of the heavy lifting to keep the movie afloat. It's the kind of thing that wins Oscars simply because it is the one noteworthy element of the film.  |
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Post by rhodoraonline on Jun 20, 2022 17:11:42 GMT
Another thing to remember about Douglas is he was maybe closer to not being noddded than sweeping or winning - which I already said wasn't likely to beat out the top 2 or 3 in that field. Douglas was eligible for the BAFTA Film nod that year (Damon got in Supporting) and against that group he lost and missed - but Bale didn't miss......of course McConaughey won the Oscar and missed too - replacing Hanks at the Oscar from the BAFTA group .......so you maybe could argue if Hanks was in the 6th spot like people love to say.......Douglas may have (possibly) been 7th ...... I think he'd be in the Oscar field but people overrate him as a threat to win - in that year anyway ......very strange year in so many ways..... I agree. That was the year basically the Academy gave Bale that "acceptance status" that if you have given a baity performance in a half-decent and well-seen movie, you are basically gauranteed a spot. He became THAT actor that year. American Hustle hype was still on, the backlash (which was only critical analysis of the movie rather than any controversy/scandal) hadn't started yet, and the movie's overall support was HUGE what with cottail supporting nominations and all. They were NOT gonna leave out Bale that year. Their happy-to-nominate next two noms of his and the almost threat of a nom for a sports movie 3 years ago also adds retrospective credence to that. |
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Post by rhodoraonline on Jun 20, 2022 17:13:17 GMT
My own contribution to the OT is Winslet - Mare of Eastown. Thoughts?
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Post by stephen on Jun 20, 2022 17:19:11 GMT
My own contribution to the OT is Winslet - Mare of Eastown. Thoughts? I mean, it's a seven-hour miniseries, so it's hard to really categorize that as something that could've ever been an Oscar contender. That'd be like saying McConaughey in True Detective or Cranston in Breaking Bad -- yes, if you package those performances in a film-length project, they're probably good enough to get their actors awards, but the length of the project gave those actors enough runway to launch into the stratosphere. |
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Post by rhodoraonline on Jun 20, 2022 17:26:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 17:27:21 GMT
Yeah, I think this thread should definitely be limited to television films - not series or mini-series.
I'll retract my mention of Judy Davis in Life with Judy Garland: Me and My Shadows above.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 17:30:05 GMT
And multiple noms for Gena Rowlands, probably too. Perhaps Glenn Close, too? Sarah, Plain and Tall, Serving in Silence, In the Gloaming, The Lion in Winter... |
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Post by stephen on Jun 20, 2022 17:36:08 GMT
Yeah, I think this thread should definitely be limited to television films - not series or mini-series. I'll retract my mention of Judy Davis in Life with Judy Garland: Me and My Shadows above. Something that is fun to think about is Angels in America: what if they theatrically released "Millennium Approaches" in 2003, and "Perestroika" in '04? Obviously it's probably not going to stop Return of the King's dominance in '03, but would they have given the actors their laurels in 2003? I imagine Pacino wins in 2003, but I feel like Streep probably would be held off till 2004, as I can't see her dethroning Theron. Would Wright and Parker have been able to swing wins in '03, or would they have been kicked to '04 as well? Mike Nichols probably takes Eastwood's slot as a two-time Best Director winner in 2004. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 20, 2022 20:16:45 GMT
Another thing to remember about Douglas is he was maybe closer to not being noddded than sweeping or winning - which I already said wasn't likely to beat out the top 2 or 3 in that field. Douglas was eligible for the BAFTA Film nod that year (Damon got in Supporting) and against that group he lost and missed - but Bale didn't miss......of course McConaughey won the Oscar and missed too - replacing Hanks at the Oscar from the BAFTA group .......so you maybe could argue if Hanks was in the 6th spot like people love to say.......Douglas may have (possibly) been 7th ...... I think he'd be in the Oscar field but people overrate him as a threat to win - in that year anyway ......very strange year in so many ways..... I agree. That was the year basically the Academy gave Bale that "acceptance status" that if you have given a baity performance in a half-decent and well-seen movie, you are basically gauranteed a spot. He became THAT actor that year. American Hustle hype was still on, the backlash (which was only critical analysis of the movie rather than any controversy/scandal) hadn't started yet, and the movie's overall support was HUGE what with cottail supporting nominations and all. They were NOT gonna leave out Bale that year. Their happy-to-nominate next two noms of his and the almost threat of a nom for a sports movie 3 years ago also adds retrospective credence to that. Using BAFTA as an argument against Douglas being Oscar catnip if Behind The Candelebra was theatrical in the States is particularly silly, because BAFTA also didn't nominate that year's Best Actor Oscar winner, Matthew McConaughey. Sometimes they line up and sometimes they don't, but I don't think Douglas needed BAFTA to get the win from McConaughey. They weren't relevant that year. He had all the advantages of McConaughey's film (character with HIV, LGBTQ relevance, transformative role) but with that extra Hollywood glamour/connection. I think Douglas would have been McConaughey's worst nightmare as an Oscar rival. Damon might have caused an issue for Leto in Supporting as well. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 20, 2022 20:21:22 GMT
lmao, I guess I misunderstood the question  It's the reason I didn't mention Nicole Kidman in Big Little Lies (Season 1) as she would have been an obvious choice if limited series could be considered. |
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 20, 2022 23:54:32 GMT
Well a lot of people like to consider Twin Peaks: The Return to be an 18hr film as it is rather than a season of television or a miniseries so I’ll mention Kyle MacLachlan. Idk if he would’ve won but he probably should have
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Post by finniussnrub on Jun 21, 2022 2:17:00 GMT
Well a lot of people like to consider Twin Peaks: The Return to be an 18hr film as it is rather than a season of television or a miniseries so I’ll mention Kyle MacLachlan. Idk if he would’ve won but he probably should have Sadly he didn't even get an Emmy nomination. |
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Post by stabcaesar on Jun 21, 2022 2:22:44 GMT
If it had been a (shorter) film John Adams would've been a major threat. Giamatti would've won and both Linney and Wilkinson would've at least been nominated (Dilane and Morse had a shot too), though their competition that year was much stronger (Winslet with an insanely strong overdue narrative and Ledger who had just died) so they probably wouldn't have won.
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.......so you maybe could argue if Hanks was in the 6th spot like people love to say.......Douglas may have (possibly) been 7th ......
