|
Post by pupdurcs on Apr 17, 2022 4:00:26 GMT
This is my take based on the performances, their quality, level of difficulty etc. It's also about Shakespearan work on film, not stage (or filmed plays). It sucks to have to leave off notable American Shakesperian stage actors like James Earl Jones, George C Scott and Paul Robeson, Liev Schreber, Dustin Hoffman etc, who never really got to strut their stuff in a proper Shakespeare film. Also, performances have to be in traditional verse/iambic pentameter (so none of this counting Throne Of Blood stuff as Shakespeare acting).
1 Denzel Washington
2 Orson Welles
3 Marlon Brando
4 Charlton Heston
5 Kevin Kline
6 Laurence Fishburne
7 Al Pacino
8 Jason Robards
9 Stanley Tucci
10 Corey Hawkins
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Apr 17, 2022 4:27:04 GMT
Was tempted to include John Barrymore, who was considered the major American Shakespearan actor of his time and also did a Shakespeare movie, but I just don't think his acting style on film really holds up today.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 4:29:13 GMT
Thoughts on Mel Gibson's Hamlet?
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Apr 17, 2022 4:36:51 GMT
Thoughts on Mel Gibson's Hamlet? Solid. But I think he's a little bit out of his depth, and outperformed by several of the more seasoned Shakespearan actors in the film ( Paul Scofield, Alan Bates Ian Holm, Glenn Close etc)
|
|
|
Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 17, 2022 4:37:50 GMT
Off the dome and not worried about ranking:
Laurence Olivier Ian McKellen Kenneth Branagh Paul Scofield Marlon Brando Al Pacino Vanessa Redgrave Marion Cotillard Orson Welles John Gielgud
EDIT: Missed the male only designation. Then I'll include Kevin Kline and Ian Holm.
EDIT Part Deux: Pretty much missed the whole point of the thread. Should not be scrolling late while dehydrated. New list below.
|
|
|
Post by theycallmemrfish on Apr 17, 2022 4:40:35 GMT
Off the dome and not worried about ranking: Laurence Olivier Ian McKellen Kenneth Branagh Paul Scofield Marlon Brando Al Pacino Vanessa Redgrave Marion Cotillard Orson Welles John Gielgud Your dome is missing a key word from the title! Must be... Biodome.
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Apr 17, 2022 4:40:56 GMT
Off the dome and not worried about ranking: Laurence Olivier Ian McKellen Kenneth Branagh Paul Scofield Marlon Brando Al Pacino Vanessa Redgrave Marion Cotillard Orson Welles John Gielgud Most of these aren't American (and some aren't male). Just if you didn't notice the thread title.
|
|
|
Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 17, 2022 5:05:54 GMT
Off the dome and not worried about ranking: Laurence Olivier Ian McKellen Kenneth Branagh Paul Scofield Marlon Brando Al Pacino Vanessa Redgrave Marion Cotillard Orson Welles John Gielgud Most of these aren't American (and some aren't male). Just if you didn't notice the thread title. Damn, damn. Alright, new list: Al Pacino Marlon Brando Orson Welles Tim Blake Nelson Denzel Washington Kevin Kline Laurence Fishburne Nathan Lane James Cagney Stanley Tucci
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Apr 17, 2022 9:19:12 GMT
Charlton Heston doesn't always get the credit he deserves, particularly as a Shakespearan actor. He didn’t have the raw talent of Welles or Brando who were his contemporaries, but he was a fine Shakespearan film actor who got better as he got older. I think some of his earlier Shakespeare performances felt a bit uneven (like his work as Mark Antony, which always suffers in comparison to Brando's version) , but by the time he played Player King in Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet, he was at the height of his powers as a Shakespearan actor and really could deliver. A supporting actor Oscar nomination as Player King would not have been unwarranted, imho.
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Apr 17, 2022 14:45:50 GMT
Charlton Heston doesn't always get the credit he deserves, particularly as a Shakespearan actor. He didn’t have the raw talent of Welles or Brando who were his contemporaries , but he was a fine Shakespearan film actor who got better as he got older. I think some of his earlier Shakespeare performances felt a bit uneven (like his work as Mark Antony, which always suffers in comparison to Brando's version ) , but by the time he played Player King in Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet, he was at the height of his powers as a Shakespearan actor and really could deliver. A supporting actor Oscar nomination as Player King would not have been unwarranted, imho. We've talked about this in the past, but Heston really never got the credit he deserved (even as an Oscar-winning actor). The dude understood that to better yourself as a performer, you have to hone your skills, and there's no better whetstone than the Bard. Imagine a universe where Heston had gotten to play Macbeth for DeMille, or even Lear in his winter years (when the man was at the height of his skills with Billy Shakes).
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Apr 17, 2022 14:49:06 GMT
I want to take the time to give a shoutout to Tom Hanks's Falstaff, in which he went on a legendary riff:
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Apr 17, 2022 15:03:26 GMT
Bit of explanation for the rankings of my top 3:
1 Denzel Washington:
This one is easy. I don't think another American actor has given as great a Shakespearan film performance as Washington did in The Tragedy Of Macbeth. Only two actors come close, and they are #2 and #3 on my rankings. Add to that, he is 2 for 2 with Shakespearan film performances, delivering a note perfect and definitive performance as Don Pedro in Kenneth Branagh's sublime adaptation of Much Ado About Nothing.
2 Orson Welles
Welles isn't #2 for his uneven and florid performance as Macbeth in the version he directed. It was a worthy attempt though, so it helps his ranking. He's really here for his outstanding work as Falstaff in Chimes At Midnight. It's hard to see anyone else as Falstaff after Welles, even though Falstaff isn't one of the "major" Shakespearan parts, Welles gave him far more prominence in his adaptation, and that's mostly down to how good his performance was.
3 Marlon Brando
Before Washington, Brando was the only American man to be nominated for an Oscar for a Shakespearan performance. Both Washington and Brando achieved it in the lead category. A great performance as Mark Antony in Julius Ceasar that proved he was more than a method mumbler and left people in no doubt of his range. Before Washington delivered as Macbeth, I had him as the best Shakespearan film performance by an American actor. He held that distinction for close to 70 years. A good run. Had he done more Shakespeare on film, he might have been able to hold off Washington for my #1 spot. As it stands, I give Welles the edge over him for #2, because Welles did more Shakespeare on film, even though I don't think his peak was quite as high as Brando's single performance (it was close enough though).
|
|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Apr 17, 2022 15:17:02 GMT
Out of those I've seen on stage - Kline is the best American - Kline is actually like a Brit - like Rylance and McKellen - where he "plays" with it........and he could play a lot of parts in Shakespeare in a lot of different ways and be equally adept at it. It's just which performance he decides to give tbh..... Like Kline could play ALL the romantic parts, comic parts and play ALL the heavy parts - usually that's impossible to pull off...... An underrated one btw is F. Murray Abraham ......... Never saw James Earl Jones in anything really good unfortunately (a mostly botched Gin Game with Cicely Tyson was the only time I saw him on stage) - but love the stuff on video....his Lear, etc.
|
|
sirchuck23
Based
Bad news dawg...you don't mind if I have some of your 300 dollar a glass shit there would ya?
Posts: 2,712
Likes: 4,820
|
Post by sirchuck23 on Apr 17, 2022 15:28:20 GMT
Great list/thread. I can’t think of any others right now.
Honorable Mention to Michael Keaton as Dogberry in Much Ado About Nothing:
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Apr 17, 2022 15:37:06 GMT
Great list/thread. I can’t think of any others right now. Honorable Mention to Michael Keaton as Dogberry in Much Ado About Nothing: I'd love a new team-up film of minor Shakespeare characters. It's basically been done with Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead, but it'd be fun to imagine Michael Keaton's Dogberry teaming up with Gary Oldman and Tim Roth in some sort of Shakespeare Extended Film Universe, Marvel style I thought Keaton was fun as Dogberry, but at lot of reviews at the time hated his performance and thought he was overdoing it.
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Apr 17, 2022 15:39:41 GMT
Great list/thread. I can’t think of any others right now. Honorable Mention to Michael Keaton as Dogberry in Much Ado About Nothing: I'd love a new team-up film of minor Shakespeare characters. It's basically been done with Rosencrantz and Guildersten Are Dead, but it'd be fun to imagine Michael Keaton's Dogberry teaming up with Gary Oldman and Tim Roth in some sort of Shakespeare Extended Film Universe, Marvel style The premise: King Lear is dead, murdered by Macbeth and Cleopatra while Lear's heir, Hamlet, is exiled to Verona, where he is held hostage by the Capulets. It falls to the LSC (The League of Spear-Carriers) to rescue the Danish prince.
|
|
sirchuck23
Based
Bad news dawg...you don't mind if I have some of your 300 dollar a glass shit there would ya?
Posts: 2,712
Likes: 4,820
|
Post by sirchuck23 on Apr 17, 2022 15:51:01 GMT
I'd love a new team-up film of minor Shakespeare characters. It's basically been done with Rosencrantz and Guildersten Are Dead, but it'd be fun to imagine Michael Keaton's Dogberry teaming up with Gary Oldman and Tim Roth in some sort of Shakespeare Extended Film Universe, Marvel style The premise: King Lear is dead, murdered by Macbeth and Cleopatra while Lear's heir, Hamlet, is exiled to Verona, where he is held hostage by the Capulets. It falls to the LSC (The League of Spear-Carriers) to rescue the Danish prince. But who leads the LSC?
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Apr 17, 2022 15:52:55 GMT
The premise: King Lear is dead, murdered by Macbeth and Cleopatra while Lear's heir, Hamlet, is exiled to Verona, where he is held hostage by the Capulets. It falls to the LSC (The League of Spear-Carriers) to rescue the Danish prince. But who leads the LSC? Horatio (as played by Stephen Dillane from the 1990 Hamlet).
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Apr 17, 2022 16:26:31 GMT
Charlton Heston doesn't always get the credit he deserves, particularly as a Shakespearan actor. He didn’t have the raw talent of Welles or Brando who were his contemporaries , but he was a fine Shakespearan film actor who got better as he got older. I think some of his earlier Shakespeare performances felt a bit uneven (like his work as Mark Antony, which always suffers in comparison to Brando's version ) , but by the time he played Player King in Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet, he was at the height of his powers as a Shakespearan actor and really could deliver. A supporting actor Oscar nomination as Player King would not have been unwarranted, imho. We've talked about this in the past, but Heston really never got the credit he deserved (even as an Oscar-winning actor). The dude understood that to better yourself as a performer, you have to hone your skills, and there's no better whetstone than the Bard. Imagine a universe where Heston had gotten to play Macbeth for DeMille, or even Lear in his winter years (when the man was at the height of his skills with Billy Shakes). Jesus, Heston would have been a magnificent Lear. Especially when he'd reached the peak of his powers as a Shakespearan actor in the 1990's. In many ways it's the role he was made to do, and it's a shame he never got the chance to do it on film. In many ways, I think Heston was born in the wrong country. If he were a British actor I think he'd be far more respected, because his style is essentially that of British stage actor. But because he was American and was clearly not of the method/naturalism school, he tended to get perceived (often unfairly) as a stiff Hollywood movie star. Yeah, he could be a bit stiff at times, but he could also reach great heights in the right role ( his Cardinal Richelieu in the Three Musketeers films of the 1970's is one of the most richly realised character performances of that decade and again merited him Oscar recognition). To me, he's a far better actor than John Gielgud, whose stiffness onscreen gets excused because he's British and not a handsome movie star type.
|
|
|
Post by therealcomicman117 on Apr 17, 2022 18:26:34 GMT
Charlton Heston doesn't always get the credit he deserves, particularly as a Shakespearan actor. He didn’t have the raw talent of Welles or Brando who were his contemporaries , but he was a fine Shakespearan film actor who got better as he got older. I think some of his earlier Shakespeare performances felt a bit uneven (like his work as Mark Antony, which always suffers in comparison to Brando's version ) , but by the time he played Player King in Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet, he was at the height of his powers as a Shakespearan actor and really could deliver. A supporting actor Oscar nomination as Player King would not have been unwarranted, imho. I've always bizarrely seen Heston's Julius Caesar film a number of times, while it's kinda ludicrious and doesn't match up to the Brando version, kinda feeling like a TV production in some ways, his delivery of the big Roman speech is pretty dang aces.
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Apr 17, 2022 19:24:49 GMT
Charlton Heston doesn't always get the credit he deserves, particularly as a Shakespearan actor. He didn’t have the raw talent of Welles or Brando who were his contemporaries , but he was a fine Shakespearan film actor who got better as he got older. I think some of his earlier Shakespeare performances felt a bit uneven (like his work as Mark Antony, which always suffers in comparison to Brando's version ) , but by the time he played Player King in Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet, he was at the height of his powers as a Shakespearan actor and really could deliver. A supporting actor Oscar nomination as Player King would not have been unwarranted, imho. I've always bizarrely seen Heston's Julius Caesar film a number of times, while it's kinda ludicrious and doesn't match up to the Brando version, kinda feeling like a TV production in some ways, his delivery of the big Roman speech is pretty dang aces. Yes it is aces! Like I said you said it feels like a glorified TV movie and I found his performance to be uneven in other parts of the film, but Heston really brought it to that scene. He's a great Shakespearan film actor, and that's why he deserves to be #4 on my all-time American list. Everything about that scene let's him down though. The staging, the costuming (he looks like he's wearing window drapes ....even the hair styling Like when you compare to the Brando version where the staging and costumes were spot on, it's so hard for Heston to compete . With all that said, I still think Brando, just on performance alone is better in the same scene, because he keeps it more still and makes the delivery feel more effortless.
|
|
|
Post by therealcomicman117 on Apr 17, 2022 22:20:42 GMT
I've always bizarrely seen Heston's Julius Caesar film a number of times, while it's kinda ludicrious and doesn't match up to the Brando version, kinda feeling like a TV production in some ways, his delivery of the big Roman speech is pretty dang aces. Yes it is aces! Like I said you said it feels like a glorified TV movie and I found his performance to be uneven in other parts of the film, but Heston really brought it to that scene. He's a great Shakespearan film actor, and that's why he deserves to be #4 on my all-time American list. Everything about that scene let's him down though. The staging, the costuming (he looks like he's wearing window drapes ....even the hair styling Like when you compare to the Brando version where the staging and costumes were spot on, it's so hard for Heston to compete . With all that said, I still think Brando, just on performance alone is better in the same scene, because he keeps it more still and makes the delivery feel more effortless. Brando's version also benefited from the actor really being young and in his prime. You can feel his raw energy on screen vs. Heston who was already in his late fourties by the time he played Marc Anthony. Not that age should be the only factor for a great performance, but that and the better production definitely make a notable difference.
|
|
|
Post by pupdurcs on Apr 18, 2022 5:37:30 GMT
Interestingly enough, it was Heston that famously suggested to Robert DeNiro that he should challenge himself with Shakespeare, as Heston felt he was too talented to be mainly playing "Las Vegas Hoods". DeNiro didn't seen to pleases with the unsolicited advice, according to Heston. Still maybe the last 25 years of DeNiro's career might have shook out differently if he did take on that kind of challenge.
|
|