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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 10, 2022 0:39:45 GMT
THESE DAYS.
Keep in mind, this is my personal vantage point which I'm sure everyone has one.
But for me....... I completely forgot about Moonlight. I know it was a Best Picture winner, but feels easily like the one you forget won. Initially it was released to a host of critical acclaim, but since then ..... I don't see many people evaluating it or calling it a cinematic juggernaut. Feels like a seasonal film, ala Slumdog Millionaire part 2. Seemed fun and catchy in the first few years, but not something anyone clings to. Also it's not as commercial as Slumdog so I don't think many average people choose to rewatch it over many other films that came out after 2016.
Lots of 2016 and 2017 movies are falling by the wayside for me, in fact. La La Land is getting there, but perhaps Babylon will resurrect it back to form if it ends up being a good enough movie.
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Post by stephen on Apr 10, 2022 0:42:27 GMT
I still maintain that Life of Pi's cultural footprint is almost nil.
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Post by JangoB on Apr 10, 2022 1:08:26 GMT
I feel that hardly anything has a long shelf life these days. The current thing is movie of the moment, not the movie that'll hang on. Especially with the Covid-based rise of streaming in the last couple of years. The more surprising thing these days is a movie that does remain the point of conversations several years after its release. But as you yourself mention in a lot of ways it's all based on personal perceptions anyway.
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Post by flasuss on Apr 10, 2022 1:57:39 GMT
I feel that hardly anything has a long shelf life these days. The current thing is movie of the moment, not the movie that'll hang on. Especially with the Covid-based rise of streaming in the last couple of years. The more surprising thing these days is a movie that does remain the point of conversations several years after its release. But as you yourself mention in a lot of ways it's all based on personal perceptions anyway. Yes, pretty much. It would be easier to ask which movies are still being talked about constantly years, or even months after they are released.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Apr 10, 2022 2:40:11 GMT
Echoing thoughts from posts above, I act surprise when nowadays a movie finds relevance and a life on its own as they've become less and less meaningful to the culture, the importance faded, now is niche and varies a lot depending on the circles we navigate. The oscars are the perfect example of this, can't recall if it was in the NY/LA Times who made a survey to 5k entertainment consumers about the nominated movies, except for Dune, every other title had less than 40% of awareness, Power of the Dog 20%, Coda had 14%... a bit off topic, but that's the reason why I thought this was the worst ceremony I've ever seen, the studios and media coverage around it is overwhealming but the show itself now looks like an ancient ritual, a hollow and narcissistic spectacle, in restrospect barely anyone on the stage knew what was at play, only Kevin Costner... maybe ? to then receive a reprimand by Jane Campion and her uninspiring speech.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 10, 2022 2:53:22 GMT
Echoing thoughts from posts above, I act surprise when nowadays a movie finds relevance and a life on its own as they've become less and less meaningful to the culture, the importance faded, now is niche and varies a lot depending on the circles we navigate. The oscars are the perfect example of this, can't recall if it was in the NY/LA Times who made a survey to 5k entertainment consumers about the nominated movies, except for Dune, every other title had less than 40% of awareness, Power of the Dog 20%, Coda had 14%... a bit off topic, but that's the reason why I thought this was the worst ceremony I've ever seen, the studios and media coverage around it is overwhealming but the show itself now looks like an ancient ritual, a hollow and narcissistic spectacle, in restrospect barely anyone on the stage knew what was at play, only Kevin Costner... maybe ? to then receive a reprimand by Jane Campion and her uninspiring speech. [br Interesting take. Mainly films are on the decline (I think thats clear) which explains the declining interest and the low audience awareness of the nominated films. And its clearly TV that's better right now. It's like the 70s NBA. Nobody watched because product was on the decline and a few championship games weren't even shown live indicating that NBA was an american afterthought in the 70s, before Bird and Magic resurrected it. History clearly shows that when the quality is good, people watch. When it isn't....they watch less. Back in 2003, I couldn't imagine many people not knowing the films that were in contention. I mean maybe not Seabiscuit but surely people knew or were aware of Mystic River, Pirates of the Caribbean, Master and Commander, Return of the King , Lost in Translation and Monster for Theron. Maybe even Cold Mountain although the reviews weren't as strong as some people thought but it was an A-list star festival. Why I randomly emphasize 2003? Because I remember that just 20 years ago things were quite different. Just saying.
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Post by finniussnrub on Apr 10, 2022 2:55:49 GMT
I think actually another root cause for this isn't what people are watching in terms of films (obviously there are still big boxoffice hits), but actually the fact that shared pop-culture is so much smaller now. That is you don't get the same reinforcement from tv shows referencing movies, because people don't as frequently watch the same shows when there were a more limited amount of channels. The popculture shorthand between people just as a whole has become a whole lot less present.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Apr 10, 2022 3:16:00 GMT
urbanpatrician Actually I have a similar experience to you, about 20 years I could have a random conversation about Mystic River or Pirates with almost anyone, but even at the time, when I started to get far more interested in movies you can see glimpses of what lead to where we are today, I think 2010 was the last time I could establish movie conversations with random people. I think now there's simply too much content (on tv and film) that's impossible to grab a mass audience, when something gets the spotlight it feels perfectly curated that simply allienates audiences and if it somehow becomes a succes (as Euphoria, early this year) the way is consumed limits the conversation. Lol, I think I sound really old but that's my perspective...
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 10, 2022 3:32:15 GMT
urbanpatrician Actually I have a similar experience to you, about 20 years I could have a random conversation about Mystic River or Pirates with almost anyone, but even at the time, when I started to get far more interested in movies you can see glimpses of what lead to where we are today, I think 2010 was the last time I could establish movie conversations with random people. I think now there's simply too much content (on tv and film) that's impossible to grab a mass audience, when something gets the spotlight it feels perfectly curated that simply allienates audiences and if it somehow becomes a succes (as Euphoria, early this year) the way is consumed limits the conversation. Lol, I think I sound really old but that's my perspective... Well kinda but I mean....what movies from the 2010s can you see being an all time classic? I can see maybe Inception, Fury Road, The Master, The Wolf of Wall Street but it's a shorter list than the 00s where I can name many. Even Drive imo which is going to be a classic (at a certain level at least) but I dont think most people will say its Taxi Driver, The Godfather, Heat or the multiple Pacino/DeNiro classics. I can see an argument with The Social Network but I think the film itself sometimes feel biopic-ish and not the definitive Fincher hardcore joint like Se7en, Fight Club or Zodiac. I think mass content is a reason but I dont think cinephiles latch onto as many cinematic juggernauts as they did in the 00s, 90s or 70s. But I think the ultimate finger you have to point to is Hollywood for not releasing the best final product because it doesn't feel like the golden age of cinema right now. The rise of Television might be a reason too, for pushing movies to the back a little. In the 00s, undoubtedly i preferred movies by a gaping distance (only a few really great shows). In the 2010s, I cant imagine anyone ever forgetting Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad for instance, and those are just a few examples.
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Post by Brother Fease on Apr 10, 2022 15:31:25 GMT
What do we mean by "popular movies"? Oscar movies? Boxoffice hits? High IMDB score?
My current top 10 films are: As Good As It Gets, L.A Confidential, Star Wars Episodes 4-6, Chinatown, Taxi Driver, Strange Days, The Wizard of Oz, Forrest Gump, Catch Me If You Can, and Gladiator.
I feel we don't talk enough about As Good As It Gets and Strange Days. So I'll go with those.
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Post by speeders on Apr 10, 2022 16:16:38 GMT
For a movie that made 2 billion dollars and is getting four sequels, I don't think I've heard a thing about Avatar in 12 years or that it's made any sort of cultural impact.
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Post by madmonsterparty on Apr 10, 2022 17:45:04 GMT
For a movie that made 2 billion dollars and is getting four sequels, I don't think I've heard a thing about Avatar in 12 years or that it's made any sort of cultural impact. I was thinking along the same lines earlier today about all the major 3D movies that came out about that same time as Avatar (late 2000's/early 2010's) and did great box office and then faded away, or at least never hit any major long term high. And just a question for anyone willing to answer it: How big is Gravity (2013) when it comes to popular culture from around that time? From the Oscar contenders from that same time period it might still do ok, but I don't know if it is as dominant as I thought it would be. Especially against something like Wolf of Wall Street but also some of the other ones (American Hustle, 12 Years a Slave, Captain Phillips, ETC) To be fair I'm not saying Gravity isn't being talked about at all, but I'm not sure it has a significant role either. Especially considering how popular it was when it first came out box office wise and Oscar wise (even though it lost Best Picture it still would win 7 Oscars, more than any other movie of the 2010's if I remember correctly)
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Post by countjohn on Apr 10, 2022 18:03:16 GMT
Thought of Moonlight right when I saw this thread. All you heard about was how "important" it was when it won but I haven't thought about since that year's Oscars. Conversely I think people do remember La La Land and it's one that feels like a future classic so I don't think the Academy made a great choice there.
Avatar is another one that made all that money but it hasn't been on anybody's mind in years. Not sure what that means for the sequels. Even at the time it did not feel like as big of a "phenomenon" as The Dark Knight from the previous year despite making more money.
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Post by wonky on Apr 10, 2022 18:40:34 GMT
And just a question for anyone willing to answer it: How big is Gravity (2013) when it comes to popular culture from around that time? From the Oscar contenders from that same time period it might still do ok, but I don't know if it is as dominant as I thought it would be. Especially against something like Wolf of Wall Street but also some of the other ones (American Hustle, 12 Years a Slave, Captain Phillips, ETC) To be fair I'm not saying Gravity isn't being talked about all, but I'm not sure it has a significant role either. Especially considering how popular it was when it first came out box office wise and Oscar wise (even though it lost Best Picture it still would win 7 Oscars, more than any other movie of the 2010's if I remember correctly) I agree as somebody who was head over heels for Gravity but hasn't revisited it despite owning the Bluray. I feel like Children of Men has really emerged over both Gravity and Roma and even Y Tu Mama as the Cuaron with the most staying power. Also Prisoner of Azkaban which will probably always be his most seen but sort of sits outside his career, but the consensus that it's the best one doesn't seem to have died even a little bit and kinda keeps looking better and better by association.
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Post by DeepArcher on Apr 10, 2022 18:43:24 GMT
Guess there is a generational thing at play here because Moonlight is still exceedingly popular with Millennials and Gen Z. In my age range especially (early 20s) I constantly hear from people just discovering it for the first time and absolutely adoring it. It's also taught in film classes aaaaaaaall the time now. Ditto Get Out.
To answer the question, though, I think we could be here all day, basically nothing outlives its initial popularity anymore and it feels especially true of 90% of the big Oscar movies of the last 10+ years. To me maybe the most interesting example is American Sniper which was the highest grossing film of its year domestic (still shocking tbh) but has absolutely no cultural relevancy anymore. Bohemian Rhapsody is another one that was a massive commercial and Oscars success that no one seems to care about anymore beyond cinephile memes/Film Twitter punching bag. But again -- maybe a generational thing -- I wouldn't be too surprised if some Gen X-ers and Boomers still cared about that stuff.
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Post by wonky on Apr 10, 2022 18:55:01 GMT
I have a feeling Bohemian Rhapsody is more popular than anyone on Film Twitter would ever want to acknowledge. Anecdotally I have heard people talk about that movie as an established classic and Rami Malek as one of the greatest performances. It reminds me a bit of the dissonance between how I hear Forrest Gump talked about online and offline.
However I agree that part of this is generational, and regional, and a lot of other things. This is part of what makes online discourse so confusing because there's hardly ever any context for how old someone is or where they're from or anything.
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Post by madmonsterparty on Apr 10, 2022 19:17:53 GMT
And just a question for anyone willing to answer it: How big is Gravity (2013) when it comes to popular culture from around that time? From the Oscar contenders from that same time period it might still do ok, but I don't know if it is as dominant as I thought it would be. Especially against something like Wolf of Wall Street but also some of the other ones (American Hustle, 12 Years a Slave, Captain Phillips, ETC) To be fair I'm not saying Gravity isn't being talked about all, but I'm not sure it has a significant role either. Especially considering how popular it was when it first came out box office wise and Oscar wise (even though it lost Best Picture it still would win 7 Oscars, more than any other movie of the 2010's if I remember correctly) I agree as somebody who was head over heels for Gravity but hasn't revisited it despite owning the Bluray. I feel like Children of Men has really emerged over both Gravity and Roma and even Y Tu Mama as the Cuaron with the most staying power. Also Prisoner of Azkaban which will probably always be his most seen but sort of sits outside his career, but the consensus that it's the best one doesn't seem to have died even a little bit and kinda keeps looking better and better by association. Pretty much. And to be fair, I kind of liked Gravity when it came out too and was happy for it's success when it was released. But it's hard for me, to tell where it would rate among his (Cuaron) resume and popular movies of the early 2010's. But yeah, Children of Men might be a serious contender in the long run though for Cuaron best known movie and one I should watch again soon.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 10, 2022 19:37:09 GMT
Guess there is a generational thing at play here because Moonlight is still exceedingly popular with Millennials and Gen Z. In my age range especially (early 20s) I constantly hear from people just discovering it for the first time and absolutely adoring it. It's also taught in film classes aaaaaaaall the time now. Ditto Get Out. To answer the question, though, I think we could be here all day, basically nothing outlives its initial popularity anymore and it feels especially true of 90% of the big Oscar movies of the last 10+ years. To me maybe the most interesting example is American Sniper which was the highest grossing film of its year domestic (still shocking tbh) but has absolutely no cultural relevancy anymore. Bohemian Rhapsody is another one that was a massive commercial and Oscars success that no one seems to care about anymore beyond cinephile memes/Film Twitter punching bag. But again -- maybe a generational thing -- I wouldn't be too surprised if some Gen X-ers and Boomers still cared about that stuff. Well... it must be your age range because American Sniper was on TV and my parents turned it on.....(Me: Are you watching American Sniper?)(Parents: Yeah.... how did you know?) Not that that movie is Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan in terms of cultural impact, but it's a Clint Eastwood. There are way more Eastwood guys irl than Barry Jenkins fans. Again not a HUGE cultural impact, but a moderate one. There is at least some hardcore military army families that like it. Not sure if common non message board visiting Eastwood fans might even prefer it over Unforgiven. On this board Unforgiven is like God, but to average Eastwood fans it's just another a very good Eastwood movie. Moonlight would absolutely be shown in film schools over American Sniper though, there's no doubt about that.
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Post by Joaquim on Apr 10, 2022 19:54:23 GMT
Yea JangoB pretty much nailed it. Only stuff that can really outlive its first few months of initial release is what can live on in the form of memes like Joker, Uncut Gems or the latest “Ryan Gosling as socially awkward incel” joint for example
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Post by morton on Apr 10, 2022 19:58:31 GMT
I have a feeling Bohemian Rhapsody is more popular than anyone on Film Twitter would ever want to acknowledge. Anecdotally I have heard people talk about that movie as an established classic and Rami Malek as one of the greatest performances. It reminds me a bit of the dissonance between how I hear Forrest Gump talked about online and offline. However I agree that part of this is generational, and regional, and a lot of other things. This is part of what makes online discourse so confusing because there's hardly ever any context for how old someone is or where they're from or anything. Yeah at work there was a woman who was only there a few months, but she was crazy about anything to do with Freddie Mercury and talked about Bohemian Rhapsody, Johnny Depp, and Harry Potter all the time. And she was a Karen/MAGA type, so I suspect that there’s a big following for it just not on Film Twitter. Guess there is a generational thing at play here because Moonlight is still exceedingly popular with Millennials and Gen Z. In my age range especially (early 20s) I constantly hear from people just discovering it for the first time and absolutely adoring it. It's also taught in film classes aaaaaaaall the time now. Ditto Get Out. To answer the question, though, I think we could be here all day, basically nothing outlives its initial popularity anymore and it feels especially true of 90% of the big Oscar movies of the last 10+ years. To me maybe the most interesting example is American Sniper which was the highest grossing film of its year domestic (still shocking tbh) but has absolutely no cultural relevancy anymore. Bohemian Rhapsody is another one that was a massive commercial and Oscars success that no one seems to care about anymore beyond cinephile memes/Film Twitter punching bag. But again -- maybe a generational thing -- I wouldn't be too surprised if some Gen X-ers and Boomers still cared about that stuff. Well... it must be your age range because American Sniper was on TV and my parents turned it on.....(Me: Are you watching American Sniper?)(Parents: Yeah.... how did you know?) Not that that movie is Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan in terms of cultural impact, but it's a Clint Eastwood. There are way more Eastwood guys irl than Barry Jenkins fans. Again not a HUGE cultural impact, but a moderate one. There is at least some hardcore military army families that like it. Not sure if common non message board visiting Eastwood fans might even prefer it over Unforgiven. On this board Unforgiven is like God, but to average Eastwood fans it's just another a very good Eastwood movie. Moonlight would absolutely be shown in film schools over American Sniper though, there's no doubt about that. Again anecdotal evidence, but I work in a small business app of about 12 people, and am the only non-Conservative there, other than one other person, but I think he doesn’t care about politics, and a couple of the guys had a conversation about American Sniper a few months ago, and these weren’t even hardcore military guys just very blue collar guys.
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Post by mhynson27 on Apr 11, 2022 0:28:51 GMT
Guess there is a generational thing at play here because Moonlight is still exceedingly popular with Millennials and Gen Z. In my age range especially (early 20s) I constantly hear from people just discovering it for the first time and absolutely adoring it. It's also taught in film classes aaaaaaaall the time now. Ditto Get Out. To answer the question, though, I think we could be here all day, basically nothing outlives its initial popularity anymore and it feels especially true of 90% of the big Oscar movies of the last 10+ years. To me maybe the most interesting example is American Sniper which was the highest grossing film of its year domestic (still shocking tbh) but has absolutely no cultural relevancy anymore. Bohemian Rhapsody is another one that was a massive commercial and Oscars success that no one seems to care about anymore beyond cinephile memes/Film Twitter punching bag. But again -- maybe a generational thing -- I wouldn't be too surprised if some Gen X-ers and Boomers still cared about that stuff. I'm in my early 20's too, and I never hear people talking about Moonlight.
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Post by flasuss on Apr 11, 2022 1:07:55 GMT
I still maintain that Life of Pi's cultural footprint is almost nil. Heh...just today it's adaptation won the Olivier for best new play. That surely counts as "cultural footprint" enough for me, certainly more than the likes of Argo, Birdman, Revenant, etc.
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Post by stephen on Apr 11, 2022 1:12:22 GMT
I still maintain that Life of Pi's cultural footprint is almost nil. Heh...just today it's adaptation won the Olivier for best new play. That surely counts as "cultural footprint" enough for me, certainly more than the likes of Argo, Birdman, Revenant, etc. The play adaptation of the source novel may have won the Olivier, but that has nothing to do with the 2012 Ang Lee film. And who's really paying attention to the Oliviers; aside from it and Cabaret, can you name any of the other winners without looking? And will people remember that in a year's time?
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Apr 11, 2022 12:40:09 GMT
Hear about where? Talking with your friends? At work? At a bar? Online by whoever you particularly follow? It’s such a weird concept to me when you’re not hearing about something crime such a minute group of people.
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Post by stabcaesar on Apr 11, 2022 13:36:31 GMT
Honestly, almost all BP winners in the 2010s are thoroughly irrelevant these days. When was the last time people talked about The Artist, Argo, Spotlight, or The Shape of Water in any capacity? I would say Moonlight is remembered for the La La Land mix-up and Green Book is remembered for how terrible it was, though.
Hugo, Life of Pi, Boyhood, Dunkirk, Roma, 1917 etc. are largely in the same boat.
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