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Post by ingmarhepburn on Mar 28, 2022 13:56:06 GMT
Jaden Smith reacts on twitter with: "And that's how we do it."
Seriously, does idiocy run in that family?
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Post by flasuss on Mar 28, 2022 15:02:09 GMT
Jaden Smith reacts on twitter with: "And that's how we do it." Seriously, does idiocy run in that family? Uh...yes, yes it does.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 28, 2022 16:51:48 GMT
no, some people are too big to cancel unfortunately
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Post by sirjeremy on Mar 28, 2022 20:27:10 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60908869Could be just a tick-box exercise but I also wonder if they'll revoke his Oscar, in a similar way to what BAFTA did with Noel Clarke's award, if he's found to have breached the Academy's code of conduct, which was set up in 2017.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2022 20:40:18 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60908869Could be just a tick-box exercise but I also wonder if they'll revoke his Oscar, in a similar way to what BAFTA did with Noel Clarke's award, if he's found to have breached the Academy's code of conduct, which was set up in 2017. There's no precedent for that. They could maybe do it if it was an Honorary Award (as Noel Clarke's was), but taking back a competitive Oscar that was voted for by the Academy would have an insane amount of ramifications that would also lead to charges of racism if the Academy did it. I mean, why not take back Mel Gibson's Oscars after his racist/antisemitic diatribes (they just nominated him again) or the dozens of other Academy members/winners who have had illegal or controversial things happen to them since they won competitive Oscars (ie Kevin Spacey).Once you've won a competitive Oscar, you've won it. It can't be taken back. Imagine the optics of stripping Smith of his Oscar, but allowing Kevin Spacey to keep both of his.
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Post by stephen on Mar 28, 2022 20:48:52 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60908869Could be just a tick-box exercise but I also wonder if they'll revoke his Oscar, in a similar way to what BAFTA did with Noel Clarke's award, if he's found to have breached the Academy's code of conduct, which was set up in 2017. There's no precedent for that. They could maybe do it if it was an Honorary Award (as Noel Clarke's was), but taking back a competitive Oscar that was voted for by the Academy would have an insane amount of ramifications that would also lead to charges of racism if the Academy did it. I mean, why not take back Mel Gibson's Oscars after his racist/antisemitic diatribes (they just nominated him again) or the dozens of other Academy members/winners who have had illegal or controversial things happen to them since they won competitive Oscars (ie Kevin Spacey).Once you've won a competitive Oscar, you've won it. It can't be taken back. Imagine the optics of stripping Smith of his Oscar, but allowing Kevin Spacey to keep both of his. Or Gig Young, who straight-up murdered his wife and then killed himself. Or Harvey fucking Weinstein. Will Smith won his Oscar fair and square and they have no cause to revoke it. Now, if they want to restrict him from ever attending again, then fine, whatever, that's their purview.
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Post by SZilla on Mar 28, 2022 20:51:50 GMT
Yeah, I think if anything they'll try to do a bit next year with Smith and Rock together making peace. Stripping his Oscar is not going to happen, especially if they haven't stripped Harvey Weinstein of his.
But I do think Will lost a lot of respect in the eyes of the public and amongst his peers. He's probably not "done" but any momentum he should have been riding with his win certainly is.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2022 21:11:37 GMT
Yeah, I think if anything they'll try to do a bit next year with Smith and Rock together making peace. Stripping his Oscar is not going to happen, especially if they haven't stripped Harvey Weinstein of his. But I do think Will lost a lot of respect in the eyes of the public and amongst his peers. He's probably not "done" but any momentum he should have been riding with his win certainly is. I don't think Smith has lost that much respect (I mean, he just won an Oscar. He's got all the professional respect he will ever need). In some ways, he's gained some respect. He's no longer that "safe" guy that you can crack August jokes on to his face. Which if you want to rebrand yourself as a more interesting actor and star, then it may be beneficial . I just pointed out in the Oscar thread that Sienna Miller said she'd want her date to do the same thing Smith did for Jada. Now Smith is more edgy, has a bit more sex appeal and will be more credible in "dangerous " roles. I think the "family friendly, PG Will Smith" has run it's course anyway, so this might be a timely reinvention of his persona. He's also done it in a way that while controversial, can't really get him permanently ostracised from the industry (like say if he got on stage and hit a woman). I do think it may have been a calculated move on Smith's part, but this now makes him a far edgier star than he's ever been and not someone people will think they can fuck with.
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Post by finniussnrub on Mar 28, 2022 21:15:27 GMT
There's no precedent for that. They could maybe do it if it was an Honorary Award (as Noel Clarke's was), but taking back a competitive Oscar that was voted for by the Academy would have an insane amount of ramifications that would also lead to charges of racism if the Academy did it. I mean, why not take back Mel Gibson's Oscars after his racist/antisemitic diatribes (they just nominated him again) or the dozens of other Academy members/winners who have had illegal or controversial things happen to them since they won competitive Oscars (ie Kevin Spacey).Once you've won a competitive Oscar, you've won it. It can't be taken back. Imagine the optics of stripping Smith of his Oscar, but allowing Kevin Spacey to keep both of his. Or Gig Young, who straight-up murdered his wife and then killed himself. Or Harvey fucking Weinstein. Will Smith won his Oscar fair and square and they have no cause to revoke it. Now, if they want to restrict him from ever attending again, then fine, whatever, that's their purview. Or Emil Jannings who was a straight up Nazi.
There is a difference however for Smith's infraction from all the rest though, and that is it happened on the literal grounds of the ceremony. The action committed in violation within the ceremony not due personal immorality elsewhere.
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Post by finniussnrub on Mar 28, 2022 21:18:37 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60908869Could be just a tick-box exercise but I also wonder if they'll revoke his Oscar, in a similar way to what BAFTA did with Noel Clarke's award, if he's found to have breached the Academy's code of conduct, which was set up in 2017. There's no precedent for that. They could maybe do it if it was an Honorary Award (as Noel Clarke's was), but taking back a competitive Oscar that was voted for by the Academy would have an insane amount of ramifications that would also lead to charges of racism if the Academy did it. I mean, why not take back Mel Gibson's Oscars after his racist/antisemitic diatribes (they just nominated him again) or the dozens of other Academy members/winners who have had illegal or controversial things happen to them since they won competitive Oscars (ie Kevin Spacey).Once you've won a competitive Oscar, you've won it. It can't be taken back. Imagine the optics of stripping Smith of his Oscar, but allowing Kevin Spacey to keep both of his. To be fair there's no precedent for this particular behavior either. Smith was the first to attack someone on the literal Oscar stage.
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Post by stephen on Mar 28, 2022 21:21:48 GMT
There's no precedent for that. They could maybe do it if it was an Honorary Award (as Noel Clarke's was), but taking back a competitive Oscar that was voted for by the Academy would have an insane amount of ramifications that would also lead to charges of racism if the Academy did it. I mean, why not take back Mel Gibson's Oscars after his racist/antisemitic diatribes (they just nominated him again) or the dozens of other Academy members/winners who have had illegal or controversial things happen to them since they won competitive Oscars (ie Kevin Spacey).Once you've won a competitive Oscar, you've won it. It can't be taken back. Imagine the optics of stripping Smith of his Oscar, but allowing Kevin Spacey to keep both of his. To be fair there's no precedent for this particular behavior either. Smith was the first to attack someone on the literal Oscar stage. John Wayne came damn close in '72.
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Post by finniussnrub on Mar 28, 2022 21:30:00 GMT
To be fair there's no precedent for this particular behavior either. Smith was the first to attack someone on the literal Oscar stage. John Wayne came damn close in '72. Well given it didn't happen, and also happened almost 50 years ago, Smith is still the first. Although the possibly apocryphal story (Only have heard it recounted by film historians not an official record) of Billy Wilder purposefully tripping Leo McCarey on his way to the stage would be pretty close.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2022 21:46:02 GMT
There's no precedent for that. They could maybe do it if it was an Honorary Award (as Noel Clarke's was), but taking back a competitive Oscar that was voted for by the Academy would have an insane amount of ramifications that would also lead to charges of racism if the Academy did it. I mean, why not take back Mel Gibson's Oscars after his racist/antisemitic diatribes (they just nominated him again) or the dozens of other Academy members/winners who have had illegal or controversial things happen to them since they won competitive Oscars (ie Kevin Spacey).Once you've won a competitive Oscar, you've won it. It can't be taken back. Imagine the optics of stripping Smith of his Oscar, but allowing Kevin Spacey to keep both of his. To be fair there's no precedent for this particular behavior either. Smith was the first to attack someone on the literal Oscar stage. Regardless, it'd be an extremely dumb move for AMPAS to do that, and only make Smith a martyr and force the Academy to have to deal with serious charges of racism, considering all the reprobates and criminals they've allowed to keep competitive Oscars. If they want to punish him, revoke/suspend his Academy membership or voting privileges or whatever. Or bar him from attending the ceremony again. It's a strong punishment that sends out a statement that stuff like like won't be tolerated, but not the kind of thing where AMPAS can easily be accused of double standards and racism, which taking back the Oscar would lead to.
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Post by finniussnrub on Mar 28, 2022 21:49:10 GMT
To be fair there's no precedent for this particular behavior either. Smith was the first to attack someone on the literal Oscar stage. Regardless, it'd be an extremely dumb move for AMPAS to do that, and only make Smith a martyr and force the Academy to have to deal with serious charges of racism, considering all the reprobates and criminals they've allowed to keep competitive Oscars. If they want to punish him, revoke/suspend his Academy membership or voting privileges or whatever. Or bar him from attending the ceremony again. It's a strong punishment that sends out a statement that stuff like like won't be tolerated, but not the kind of thing where AMPAS can easily be accused of double standards and racism, which taking back the Oscar would lead to. Oh I agree, revoking the Oscar would be silly. The real punishment should've been getting ejected that night, but they failed to act. I mean if you can get kicked out of a bar for that behavior, you certainly should've been kicked out of what is supposed to be a prestigious awards show.
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Post by cherry68 on Mar 28, 2022 21:52:11 GMT
Wait, is he chewing gum during the interview? That's so disrespectful.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 28, 2022 22:56:25 GMT
I'm really starting to think some of the reactions here are a bit ridiculous. An adult man gave another adult man an open palm slap to the face. No, you don't need to press criminal charges or revoke his Oscar, especially not when they didn't take Polanski or Weinstein's Oscars away. Gonna stay away from most the racial commentary but this is absolutely goody two shoes suburban white people crap. We're acting like he gave him a full on beatdown and broke his nose and stuff. And really pressing charges here would be a complete waste of valuable court time and the only reason it would happen is because a DA wanted to get his name in the paper from prosecuting Will Smith. There are backlogs of rape cases that don't go to court because the judges are stretched too thin but you guys all want to prosecute this? Not only is Will Smith going to be invited back to the Oscars, he's going to co-present Best Actress next year with Chris Rock If the Academy had an actually functioning sense of humor this would totally happen.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Mar 28, 2022 23:04:22 GMT
It was a harmless joke at the Academy Awards... I’m not defending Smith’s actions, let me make that clear. But I do not, nor can I really see how that was harmless. Hair loss and medical conditions are sensitive enough topics as it is, but Rock’s comments and subsequent defensiveness started to feel vindictive. That said, do I think it justified a sucker punch. God no, but harmless? Absolutely not
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 28, 2022 23:11:23 GMT
I'm really starting to think some of the reactions here are a bit ridiculous. An adult man gave another adult man an open palm slap to the face. No, you don't need to press criminal charges or revoke hos Oscar, especially not when they didn't take Polanski or Weinstein's Oscars away. Gonna stay away from most the racial commentary but this is absolutely goody two shoes suburban white people crap. We're acting like he gave him a full on beatdown and broke his nose and stuff. And really pressing charges here would be a complete waste of valuable court time and the only reason it would happen is because a DA wanted to get his name in the paper from prosecuting Will Smith. There are backlogs of rape cases that don't go to court because the judges are stretched too thin but you guys all want to prosecute this? Not only is Will Smith going to be invited back to the Oscars, he's going to co-present Best Actress next year with Chris Rock If the Academy had an actually functioning sense of humor this would totally happen. Yeah, the main reason people are getting their panties in a bunch is because it happened on live TV at a prestigious event where that type of thing is not supposed to happen . It was * shocking*, but in the greater scheme of things wasn’t an act that should be lumped in like some major crime. I mean, Judd Apatow tweeted that Smith could have killed Rock . With a slap!?! People are insane. Smith held back. If he wanted to seriously assuault Rock, he'd have gone in an punched the shit out of him. He gave a man a slap that he knew could cause him no serious physical damage, other than to his ego, for the perceived transgression of insulting his wife. Not saying it was right, but ultimately, that's what it was. Rock doesn't want to press charges, as I think even he knows it wasn't a serious attempt to assault him. I disagree with his actions, but yeah, people need to get a grip.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 1:53:57 GMT
Beginning at the 5:59 mark... Eric Deggans of NPR illuminated my own thoughts far better than I ever could have.
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 29, 2022 5:00:22 GMT
I'm really starting to think some of the reactions here are a bit ridiculous. An adult man gave another adult man an open palm slap to the face. No, you don't need to press criminal charges or revoke hos Oscar, especially not when they didn't take Polanski or Weinstein's Oscars away. Gonna stay away from most the racial commentary but this is absolutely goody two shoes suburban white people crap. We're acting like he gave him a full on beatdown and broke his nose and stuff. And really pressing charges here would be a complete waste of valuable court time and the only reason it would happen is because a DA wanted to get his name in the paper from prosecuting Will Smith. There are backlogs of rape cases that don't go to court because the judges are stretched too thin but you guys all want to prosecute this? If the Academy had an actually functioning sense of humor this would totally happen. Yeah, the main reason people are getting their panties in a bunch is because it happened on live TV at a prestigious event where that type of thing is not supposed to happen . It was * shocking*, but in the greater scheme of things wasn’t an act that should be lumped in like some major crime. I mean, Judd Apatow tweeted that Smith could have killed Rock . With a slap!?! People are insane. Smith held back. If he wanted to seriously assuault Rock, he'd have gone in an punched the shit out of him. He gave a man a slap that he knew could cause him no serious physical damage, other than to his ego, for the perceived transgression of insulting his wife. Not saying it was right, but ultimately, that's what it was. Rock doesn't want to press charges, as I think even he knows it wasn't a serious attempt to assault him. I disagree with his actions, but yeah, people need to get a grip. I'd say Smith's career would take a hit, but it's been pretty terrible lately, so I can't say that seriously. I think Smith will have to double down on the journeymen directors though, and social media content. QT or whoever isn't coming through with Django offers anytime soon.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 29, 2022 7:29:10 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 29, 2022 9:08:47 GMT
Hmmm...looking at this, Chris Rock was playing with fire. The joke was ad-libbed, so the claim that Smith heard it in the rehearsals first was baseless. Rock and the Smith's have a history ( He brutally mocked Jada in his opening Oscar monologue when he hosted a few years ago for boycotting the Oscars over # OscarsSo White. Apparently Jada said on a podcast a while back that she believes Rock has a vendetta against them).
Now Rock would have long known his jokes about them did not sit well with the Smiths (particularly Jada) yet he carried on doing it for years, and was foolish enough to ad-lib a joke about Jada being bald when they were in the same room with him. Chris was basically taunting them..."nyah, nyah...I know you hate my jokes about you, but you can't do shit about it because I'm a comedian, and I can say whatever I want about anybody without being checked".
This time, he got checked.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Mar 29, 2022 9:28:47 GMT
Totally scripted. Rock wasn't in pain. Really looked like someone who'd just been punched by a pretty strong man. Just another one of these: (the 2nd is certainly scripted. The first? Ehhh.... I still say scripted.) People wanna act like ratings don't matter, but they do. Oh honey, I'm not so sure. I offered to bitch slap Nicole in exchange for a front row seat and they ignored my request.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Mar 29, 2022 9:31:46 GMT
"Defending his wife"? It was a harmless joke at the Academy Awards... he needs professional help. If you're quoting me because I said "defending his wife" some posts above in regards to his motive for doing it not being the kind that would mean his career is done, then let me make it clear. I don't think he should have handled it like that. I've said if he had an issue, he should have confronted him backstage. But that was not just any harmless award show joke. It wasn't a fashion statement. You don't think if you've been battling a medical condition that causes you to look a certain way that that's a slap in the face to be publicly humiliated about it in front of the world? She was visibly bothered in that moment and I would be too. Will did overreact and the same way Will overreacted some of you are overreacting. Some of you are acting like you need therapy after witnessing a slap. It's giving that you've never seen a fight in your entire life. Men have fought other men for disrespecting their wives, girlfriends, sisters, and mothers since the beginning of time over less. This is nothing new. What is new is that it happened live on stage at the Academy Awards.
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