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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 25, 2022 0:18:36 GMT
He was on top of the world, winning Oscars, being in the biggest movies, families all across America (and presumably elsewhere) loved him, etc. It feels like he's lost continuity with that stature, like nobody really cares about Hanks movies, though they still like him as a person. Is it Zemeckis/Howard diminishing? Spielberg not using him in his most successful 2000/2010s works (The Post and Bridge of Spies did pretty well, but both weren't Saving Private Ryan level events, or even as pungent as something like Munich)? Did he stop challenging himself? How do you assess his career right now?
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 25, 2022 0:25:14 GMT
Nah. He's still the most popular actor in America.
It's hard for anyone to duplicate that 90s run. Just like..... even if Cobain didn't die, he wasn't gonna duplicate his 91-94 run again, past 1995. But yes I agree with you, they mostly watch reruns of his 90s movies on TV and like him as a person these days than really like his most recent movies.
Tho I will say.......... From The Terminal to Captain Phillips he looked like he was finished and dead in the water, but Captain Phillips resurrected him big time. He was so dead between 2004-2013. He bounced back in a major way. I used to hear people calling him a poor man's Stewart. And Gosling was the far superior actor or something. Don't hear those things much anymore.
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Post by stephen on Mar 25, 2022 0:36:52 GMT
9/11.
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 25, 2022 0:44:13 GMT
Nah. He's still the most popular actor in America. It's hard for anyone to duplicate that 90s run. Just like..... even if Cobain didn't die, he wasn't gonna duplicate his 91-94 run again, past 1995. But yes I agree with you, they mostly watch reruns of his 90s movies on TV and like him as a person these days than really like his most recent movies. Tho I will say.......... From The Terminal to Captain Phillips he looked like he was finished and dead in the water, but Captain Phillips resurrected him big time. He was so dead between 2004-2013. He bounced back in a major way. I used to hear people calling him a poor man's Stewart. And Gosling was the far superior actor or something. Don't hear those things much anymore. Hanks is sometimes a great actor, but Gosling is a true original in screen acting. Like imagine Hanks doing The Believer, Lars and the Real Girl, Fracture, Crazy Stupid Love, First Man. He's not that versatile or imaginative, period. Gosling might be pound for pound the most interesting screen actor of all time IMO. That doesn't mean he can't be bland (I didn't think him particularly good in La La Land, and I much preferred Williams in Blue Valentine), but that's true of everyone. |
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Post by franklin on Mar 25, 2022 0:45:38 GMT
Because he's nearly 66 years old, that's why.
And his contemporary fellow Denzel Washington is taking all the clout.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 25, 2022 0:57:25 GMT
This, the 1990s were a different time in America where for the most part it was feeling great about itself and it was "good times" with the U.S Economy booming and Hollywood was making films to export the value and American ideal and Tom Hanks was front and center as the face of that with films like Philadelphia, Apollo 13, and especially Forrest Gump which was a cultural touchstone moment in the 90s, especially here in the US. People shit on Forrest Gump now for beating Pulp Fiction and The Shawshank Redemption for Best Picture in 94, but you have to remember how HUGE that film was and how it sort of caught a zeitgeist moment where the US was being reflective while also looking forward to the future. He was America's Favorite Son. Then 9/11 happened and well...paraphrasing what Heath Ledger said in The Dark Knight "it changed things...forever". You started seeing darker more cynical films after that and it was different from here on out. The 1990s was just a unique snapshot in time for the US. That's why you see older folks talking about wishing it was the 90s again, etc. The "innocence" and bubble Americans lived in were gone.
Also, I just think Hanks lost his excitement as an actor with the younger generations (Millenials, some of the younger Gen Xers, etc.). He's never really re-invented himself or gave a performance where movie audiences looked at him and said "Wow he can do that!" and reassess him as an actor. The roles he's done in the 2000s and 2010s are the type of "ordinary guy in an extraordinary circumstance" he did in the 90s along with the wholesome American that you want to like. Its telling that the same Academy that awarded him back-to-back Best Actor Oscars, is the same that didn't nominate him again after Cast Away for almost 20 years!!
Actors today obviously respect him and he's extremely popular in the industry as being one of the nicest people in Hollywood, but I think America slowly passed him by after the 90s ended. I also believe imho he's been passed by Denzel Washington as the greatest American actor of their generation, and is more revered by the Academy/acting peers in his stature today than Hanks is. But Hanks had an all-time great run in the 1990s where the movie world was his oyster. His legacy is secured and 99% of actors would kill for the career he had.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 25, 2022 1:04:02 GMT
Was legit going to come on here and say this. There was a seismic shift in the mainstream post-9/11 and Hanks didn't follow that shift. He was never going to be able to play a superhero or Harry Potter, and studios were not going to invest in Hanks projects as event films the way they had with Forrest Gump or Saving Private Ryan. Really the only time Hanks tried to stay on the zeitgeist was with The Da Vinci Code and that project, despite being the 2nd highest grossing movie of 2006 (a fact I forgot until I just checked its Wikipedia page), sucked so bad it's better not to talk about it or the sequels that Hanks and Howard for some reason insisted on making. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 25, 2022 1:07:36 GMT
These 9/11 points are interesting. I moved across the country right before 9/11 from a very contented situation to a miserable one so I never could understand if what I was experiencing was the result of external changes in the culture/world or me projecting chaos from my personal life.  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 25, 2022 1:08:18 GMT
He's a threat to win his 3rd next year - not the favorite but a logical threat for a big budget movie opening Christmas Day - and if he does (for A Man Called Otto) he ties DDL for an award run that I JUST said in another thread may not be equalled in our lifetime (male w/ 3 BA awards) He's fine, better than fine........careers ebb and flow - he has things even over Washington even - who I think is a better actor but can't get close to Hanks for comedy or filmography (and his specific type OF filmography including family classics).......and both those things matter a lot......and he is way in front......it's not close...... He's at worst what - the number 2 film actor of his generation overall ? - and that's at worst......and a lot would put him at #1......  Said this before when he's done I think most people will call him the GOAT - not me, not message board nerds....... but the "average person".... |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 25, 2022 1:15:56 GMT
What happened to Hanks, happens to every big actor when they're on top. They simply can't keep up with the times, and their target audiences keeps getting older and older. Youths have no need for the olds. It happened to Wayne, would have happened to Cary Grant if he hadn't retired relatively young, and even affected Cruise outside of the Mission Impossible films (alongside all the other weird shit he did), which largely attract an older audience anyway. It's just a fact about the industry. At least Hanks has a faithful audience though, that's better then what many once popular actors can say.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 25, 2022 1:19:39 GMT
I think people are overthinking the 9/11 thing.
Career ebb and flow....... like pacinoyes says. Sometimes you're up sometimes you're down. So he was down for a bit in the 00s while Denzel saw a huge career changer with Training Day. And around 2007, for sure Denzel was more higher profile. Fast to 2013.... I think Hanks was more relevant... he just had his best performance since forever while Denzel was doing well but nothing really different from his past stuff either. In 2021, it's Denzel for sure but are we all just living in the most recent year here?
That's the definition of ebbing and flowing to me. lol.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 25, 2022 1:56:53 GMT
Hanks has still had plenty of 2000's and 10's hits and remains a huge star. Nothing as big as Forrest Gump, but it's not like movies like that drop in your lap every day. He's diminished somewhat critically because he hasn't played against type that much.
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 25, 2022 3:38:30 GMT
I think people are overthinking the 9/11 thing. Career ebb and flow....... like pacinoyes says. Sometimes you're up sometimes you're down. So he was down for a bit in the 00s while Denzel saw a huge career changer with Training Day. And around 2007, for sure Denzel was more higher profile. Fast to 2013.... I think Hanks was more relevant... he just had his best performance since forever while Denzel was doing well but nothing really different from his past stuff either. In 2021, it's Denzel for sure but are we all just living in the most recent year here? That's the definition of ebbing and flowing to me. lol. I can't agree with this. I remember Hanks being omnipresent in my youth. You couldn't avoid him. Toy Story this, drama that, drama this. Now, it's like Hanks couldn't pay me to watch some of his movies; these Apple joints? You can't see the difference? Denzel was never the most popular actor on Earth like Hanks/Will Smith/Tom Cruise, but he's always maintained his prestige. Hanks hasn't done that, I don't think. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 25, 2022 4:24:06 GMT
I think people are overthinking the 9/11 thing. Career ebb and flow....... like pacinoyes says. Sometimes you're up sometimes you're down. So he was down for a bit in the 00s while Denzel saw a huge career changer with Training Day. And around 2007, for sure Denzel was more higher profile. Fast to 2013.... I think Hanks was more relevant... he just had his best performance since forever while Denzel was doing well but nothing really different from his past stuff either. In 2021, it's Denzel for sure but are we all just living in the most recent year here? That's the definition of ebbing and flowing to me. lol. I can't agree with this. I remember Hanks being omnipresent in my youth. You couldn't avoid him. Toy Story this, drama that, drama this. Now, it's like Hanks couldn't pay me to watch some of his movies; these Apple joints? You can't see the difference? Denzel was never the most popular actor on Earth like Hanks/Will Smith/Tom Cruise, but he's always maintained his prestige. Hanks hasn't done that, I don't think. Ok so your argument is that Hanks is no longer the same guy he was in the 90s? Well what did you expect? Is Robert DeNiro the same guy he was anymore after Heat? Runs like the ones those kind of guys have eventually end. It's not realistic to expect runs like that to continue. Hanks in the 90s was #1. No denying that. Tho personally, he was never my #1. On TV the stuff I paid attention to was Nicolas Cage, Harrison Ford, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, Jackie Chan, Chow Yun Fat, and Jet Li. Those guys I like more than Hanks because action is my genre and the only Hanks movie I was into was Toy Story. But there's no doubt he was #1 in the 90s to most people. Nowadays he's still big to people whose minds live in the 90s, but..... NO he's definitely NOT #1 anymore or anywhere close. And Denzel was always big. He was always a celebrity. Starting from The Pelican Brief he started a slew of mainstream films that really changed his perception to people. His peak in my opinion was 2004 and 2005. Tom Hanks' peak was about 7 or 8 years earlier. The main difference with Hanks and Denzel is that Denzel can get any movie seen and there's always someone interested. That explains his consistency. He's like John Wayne and Angelina Jolie. Hanks is based on 8 or 9 major movies..... Forrest Gump, Toy Story, etc. are some of the selection. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 25, 2022 4:53:17 GMT
He never reinvented himself to stay relevant to younger audiences. Older generations still adore the guy, but to someone in their 20's, Hanks is kind of an irrelevant old fart that their dad likes. The 90's was a different time, when Hanks brand of feelgood Americana was fashionable and in vogue. That hasn't been the case for the last 20 years at least. His "brand" is dated and unfashionable, even if it's still comforting for many.
As has been mentioned, he doesn't take risks with his roles or screen image, and while that conservative streak has allowed him to maintain stardom till this day, it's made him someone whom younger audiences don't find particularly impressive as an actor. He still takes on the exact same kind of " All-American nice guy" roles he was doing in the 90's. He pumps them out, and obviously there is still an audience for them, but his presence doesn't excite audiences. Or even his peers, I'd argue. And when he does occasionally try to "stretch", it never really works out for him (ie Cloud Atlas, and judging by how awful he looks in that trailer, Elvis)
People have already mentioned Denzel as a generational peers who has taken Hanks clout. He maintained relevance with younger audiences by reinventing himself with Training Day. He went from someone perceived as doing mostly virtuous roles (which was never strictly true, but a perception that stuck to him anyway. He always played assholes or complicated men, like in He Got Game or even Malcolm X) to someone seen to be as cool/dangerous as DeNiro/Pacino were in their peak. Continuing those badass/anti-hero/villain roles in things like Man On Fire and American Gangster only added to his allure. Hanks simply never did that reinvention, and it's too late. He'll always be one of our most beloved and "safe" movie stars, but he'll never have that excitement or danger factor for younger generations or his peers.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Mar 25, 2022 20:15:14 GMT
It's a drastically different Hollywood from the 90s. Life's not so innocent. New age and generations. He's still here, older and beloved similar to how we loved to see Paul Newman when it was Tom's time. Still, he is one of the greatest movie stars of all time and that will remain.
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Post by ibbi on Mar 31, 2022 16:57:14 GMT
I don't think he's lost supremacy, the guy is still a beloved, downright legendary dude. His own community definitely doesn't treat him like a king anymore, but that's probably because he's Tom fucking Hanks.
He's not THAT good, he had his moment on top of the world when he had this crazy shift from being the funny guy to the serious actor, and then as he got older he got shifted to the sidelines when that new fad lost its glow.
Look at the fucking projects he picks. Tom Hanks is your dads fave, and he seems to have no interest in catering to anyone else, and they seem to have no interest in him. Cloud Atlas was like the last time he stepped out of his box.
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Post by Joaquim on Apr 1, 2022 16:40:35 GMT
That’s the circle of life, man
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Post by hugobolso on Apr 1, 2022 16:55:40 GMT
In the 90s he was in his late 30s and early 40s, that's the best years for a male movie star.-
It's just impossible for being in the Top of the world forever.-
Even the Simpsons laughed about him.-
Remembering the late 90s, a couple of years before of September 11th, everybody was tired that Tom Hanks was nominated every year. That's happened with Saving Private Ryan, and all we were pretty happy of his "snub" in The Green Mile.
Before Captain Phillips none trully cared about Hanks snubs at the Oscars.-
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Post by hugobolso on Apr 1, 2022 17:05:17 GMT
In favour of Hanks, I think it's unfair to compare Denzel with Tom.
Tomcat movies were blockbuster phenomenum (of course he had some turkey) while Denzel movied usually aren't (of course had many hits).
In fact before Philadelphia I always confuse Tom Hanks with Tom Cruise, OK I was a kid. But I guess the Toms comparison is much more fair than the Hanks/Washington.-
Not only but Hanks have to compete against several actors around his age and much younger, while Denzel Washington had no substantial rivals in the past 40 years.-
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 1, 2022 17:12:00 GMT
I put this list (link below) from 2018 in its own thread the other day - and NO ONE replied - ...........fnck .........all y'all  movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/thread/21922/cinema-archives-best-actors-2018But here's what this list says about him specifically - (he is ranked 36th all time and probably moved up since 2018 when this was done). I think this pretty much nails him exactly ............but some people put this description at 36th (or whatever) and think this thread makes sense.........and some people put him much.......much........higher and find the thread baffling. 
stylistic innovations/traits: 17 films in the archives (same as Denzel who is 37th) with five Academy Award noms (zero since 2000 but Captain Phillips with his performance at the end—come on!) and two wins (Philadelphia and Forrest Gump in back to back years). Hanks has an undeniable gift for affability- tremendously likeable. He’s challenged himself (Cloud Atlas, Big, Road to Perdition) but can also play the sturdy leading man modern day Jimmy Stewart (without Stewart’s dark edge) in films like Sully, Bridge of Spies, The Post. |
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Apr 1, 2022 21:22:01 GMT
He never reinvented himself to stay relevant to younger audiences. Older generations still adore the guy, but to someone in their 20's, Hanks is kind of an irrelevant old fart that their dad likes. The 90's was a different time, when Hanks brand of feelgood Americana was fashionable and in vogue. That hasn't been the case for the last 20 years at least. His "brand" is dated and unfashionable, even if it's still comforting for many. As has been mentioned, he doesn't take risks with his roles or screen image, and while that conservative streak has allowed him to maintain stardom till this day, it's made him someone whom younger audiences don't find particularly impressive as an actor. He still takes on the exact same kind of " All-American nice guy" roles he was doing in the 90's. He pumps them out, and obviously there is still an audience for them, but his presence doesn't excite audiences. Or even his peers, I'd argue. And when he does occasionally try to "stretch", it never really works out for him (ie Cloud Atlas, and judging by how awful he looks in that trailer, Elvis)People have already mentioned Denzel as a generational peers who has taken Hanks clout . He maintained relevance with younger audiences by reinventing himself with Training Day. He went from someone perceived as doing mostly virtuous roles (which was never strictly true, but a perception that stuck to him anyway. He always played assholes or complicated men, like in He Got Game or even Malcolm X) to someone seen to be as cool/dangerous as DeNiro/Pacino were in their peak. Continuing those badass/anti-hero/villain roles in things like Man On Fire and American Gangster only added to his allure. Hanks simply never did that reinvention, and it's too late. He'll always be one of our most beloved and "safe" movie stars, but he'll never have that excitement or danger factor for younger generations or his peers. I agree with this. It feels like he's done the same thing his entire career. Captain Phillips is excellent and he should have gotten nominated but that was nearly 10 years ago at this point. Sully, Bridge of Spies, The Post, News of the World all feel like variations of the same thing. He's become stale.
A lot of actors from the 90s have fizzled out by now. He's still having a solid career but it's not all that interesting right now. |
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Post by quetee on Apr 2, 2022 18:28:17 GMT
I think he played too many wholesome characters. People don't like to admit it but they like the anti-heros. Al Pacino has Scarface. Bobby D has Taxi Driver. Denzel has Training Day. Tom has???
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Post by futuretrunks on Sept 9, 2022 0:01:33 GMT
With Pinocchio coming out today to mostly pans, this thread gets a bump. The Wes Anderson will probably be good, but the unqualified success of Top Gun Maverick (displaying Cruise's savvy and ability to maintain his appeal despite scandals and aging) has further highlighted how out of the loop Hanks appears to be.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 9, 2022 1:08:20 GMT
With Pinocchio coming out today to mostly pans, this thread gets a bump. The Wes Anderson will probably be good, but the unqualified success of Top Gun Maverick (displaying Cruise's savvy and ability to maintain his appeal despite scandals and aging) has further highlighted how out of the loop Hanks appears to be. What a weird comparison |
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