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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 26, 2022 12:14:39 GMT
I stressed Best Actor - because I think a lot of guys could and will get a mix of BA and BSA sooner or later or..........even 3 Supporting maybe (Ali, etc). Didn't want to just make it a poll either - hoping to get some good chatter. DDL's "record" goes back 9 years now February 24th 2013 was the day he won it ......that rivals Pacino's most ever male Triple Crown wins (11 years), Mirren's landmark "Double Triple Crown" achievement (7 years) and both of those are faaaaaaaaaaar less secure or likely to last too much longer ...........where DDL's by definition is likely to last for a good bit longer - and potentially a ridiculous amount longer even.
* Is this the most impressive career acting record? If not, what would you say is? I mean records that only one person holds (ie not McDormand etc)
* If anyone breaks it who do you think it might be - Hanks (2 BA), Hopkins (2 BA), Penn (2 BA), DiCaprio (likely "the favorite" to maybe have a 2nd BA next year at under 50)
* None of the above losers (kidding) - certainly Hopkins or Penn are at best a stretch - or ............gulp............no one currently working?
Is this record "safe" for our lifetime?
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 26, 2022 13:12:06 GMT
Frances McDormand just won 3 Best Actress Oscars seemingly out of nowhere (2 of them within the last 4 years), so no, this isn't something that can't be replicated in our lifetimes.
Someone like Denzel has so much goodwill within the Academy that it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for him to win 2 Best Actor awards in the late stages of his career (sort of like Katherine Hepburn picking up two late career Best Actress wins for On Golden Pond and Guess Who's Coming To Dinner). Right now though, I'm assuming he will likely just win one more Best Actor award at some stage.
People keep talking about Hanks winning again as well, and while I think it's unlikely because he tends to play it too safe, it isn't impossible either.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 26, 2022 17:42:46 GMT
"People keep talking about Hanks winning again as well, and while I think it's unlikely because he tends to play it too safe, it isn't impossible either." Hanks is a big threat actually - because at least in 2022 he has a lead role, an emotional film and a primo release date Dec. 25th. Hanks problem is - like Washington a bit - except that he has 2 BA not 1 - as you get older you run into the "Spencer Tracy" syndrome - where he got 6 nominations over 25+ years but kept on losing - often to guys who were "owed" (Steiger, Lancaster in Tracy's case). Hanks to me is far more likely to win in BSA for something but his window in 2022 at least is one to watch.......Washington is more likely to win on his 10th nod - but not win again after that to get to 3 BA imo..... That's what makes DiCap so interesting to and different from Hanks - if he wins for Flower Moon - that's 2 BA wins under 50 - and gives a lot of room for a 3rd particularly since he has time with baity projects. That mimics the Nicholson arc - without a BSA win...... It's hard to get 3 BA because you have to get the first early enough to allow time to pass......... Driver is a possibilty if he wins for White Noise because he blocks DiCaprio and Hanks in 2022.........and he's under 40 .......and clearly has ambition at least and chases auteurs.......though it's hard to pick a guy with just 1 (or 0 atm) to eventually get to 3.......the real problem is you don't know what the arc is after a 2nd or 1st win.
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Post by stephen on Feb 26, 2022 17:48:47 GMT
I mean, I would argue that McDormand has a similar feat: wins for two all-timer performances that were indeed best of their respective fields and one extremely good third win, which is exactly what Day-Lewis has.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 26, 2022 17:51:16 GMT
I mean, I would argue that McDormand has a similar feat: wins for two all-timer performances that were indeed best of their respective fields and one extremely good third win, which is exactly what Day-Lewis has. Which two are the all timers for you? I’m assuming Fargo and…? You’re response does make me wonder why these discussions are almost always so male centric on here.
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Post by stephen on Feb 26, 2022 17:53:32 GMT
I mean, I would argue that McDormand has a similar feat: wins for two all-timer performances that were indeed best of their respective fields and one extremely good third win, which is exactly what Day-Lewis has. Which two are the all timers for you? I’m assuming Fargo and…? Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 26, 2022 17:55:39 GMT
I mean, I would argue that McDormand has a similar feat: wins for two all-timer performances that were indeed best of their respective fields and one extremely good third win, which is exactly what Day-Lewis has. Right - but the thread topic in the OP was specified as an "acting record that's hard to beat" - McDormand doesn't have a record by doing the same thing as him - he has a unique record for males that's his alone......I gave a few examples - Pacino Triple Crown wins, Mirren double Triple Crown (US & UK) etc.........but both of those are likely to fall very soon. I'm not sure DDL's record is likely to fall ..........unless it is Hanks in 2022....... McDormand's achievement is meaningless to this particular thread tbh.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 26, 2022 17:59:52 GMT
I mean, I would argue that McDormand has a similar feat: wins for two all-timer performances that were indeed best of their respective fields and one extremely good third win, which is exactly what Day-Lewis has. Which two are the all timers for you? I’m assuming Fargo and…? You’re response does make me wonder why these discussions are almost always so male centric on here.Well, in this case because - he has it alone and McDormand doesn't have it alone - or at all. I don't think in general things are that male centric on here tbh.........there's plenty of this kind of talk around Kidman, Blanchett, Winslet, ................Mirren was mentioned in the OP as holding a current acting record too. ............etc.
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Post by stephen on Feb 26, 2022 18:10:56 GMT
I mean, I would argue that McDormand has a similar feat: wins for two all-timer performances that were indeed best of their respective fields and one extremely good third win, which is exactly what Day-Lewis has. Right - but the thread topic in the OP was specified as an "acting record that's hard to beat" - McDormand doesn't have a record by doing the same thing as him - he has a unique record for males that's his alone......I gave a few examples - Pacino Triple Crown wins, Mirren double Triple Crown (US & UK) etc.........but both of those are likely to fall very soon. I'm not sure DDL's record is likely to fall ..........unless it is Hanks in 2022....... McDormand's achievement is meaningless to this particular thread tbh. Is it meaningless? Her accomplishment is pretty similar to his: three leading wins off of six nominations. I mean, I'm not actually sure what the record you're trying to tout for Day-Lewis even is right now.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 26, 2022 18:15:29 GMT
Which two are the all timers for you? I’m assuming Fargo and…? You’re response does make me wonder why these discussions are almost always so male centric on here.Well, in this case because - he has it alone and McDormand doesn't have it alone - or at all. I don't think in general things are that male centric on here tbh.........there's plenty of this kind of talk around Kidman, Blanchett, Winslet, ................Mirren was mentioned in the OP as holding a current acting record too. ............etc. If you think that any of those actresses especially in years they aren’t in the Oscar race are discussed even close to as much as Denzel, Pacino, DDL, DiCaprio, Hanks etc you are blind because you are too close to it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 26, 2022 18:16:41 GMT
Right - but the thread topic in the OP was specified as an "acting record that's hard to beat" - McDormand doesn't have a record by doing the same thing as him - he has a unique record for males that's his alone......I gave a few examples - Pacino Triple Crown wins, Mirren double Triple Crown (US & UK) etc.........but both of those are likely to fall very soon. I'm not sure DDL's record is likely to fall ..........unless it is Hanks in 2022....... McDormand's achievement is meaningless to this particular thread tbh. Is it meaningless? Her accomplishment is pretty similar to his: three leading wins off of six nominations. I mean, I'm not actually sure what the record you're trying to tout for Day-Lewis even is right now.Really - you don't see how 3 BA wins is a record that's his alone? You're awfully disingenious today stephen - maybe this isn't the thread for you ............it's ok, it happens - there's plenty of other threads you are quite clear on - thank you for your marvelous contributions so far in this one though and yeah - they are meaningless stephen - in a thread about men who could get 3 BA wins - utterly fucking meaningless......
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 26, 2022 18:20:54 GMT
Well, in this case because - he has it alone and McDormand doesn't have it alone - or at all. I don't think in general things are that male centric on here tbh.........there's plenty of this kind of talk around Kidman, Blanchett, Winslet, ................Mirren was mentioned in the OP as holding a current acting record too. ............etc. If you think that any of those actresses especially in years they aren’t in the Oscar race are discussed even close to as much as Denzel, Pacino, DDL, DiCaprio etc you are blind because you are too close to it. Oh, God No I didn't say that exactly either But I just think it's not a problem and we have female-centric topics too .........part of the problem may be we don't have a lot of females posting by comparison....... I think these last few posts are just off on a side tangent - you either like the topic and can contribute a male who is likely to get to 3 nods - or you just go to another thread.......np
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Post by stephen on Feb 26, 2022 18:22:13 GMT
Is it meaningless? Her accomplishment is pretty similar to his: three leading wins off of six nominations. I mean, I'm not actually sure what the record you're trying to tout for Day-Lewis even is right now.Really - you don't see how 3 BA wins is a record that's his alone? You're awfully disingenious today stephen - maybe this isn't the thread for you ............it's ok, it happens - there's plenty of other threads you are quite clear on - thank you for your marvelous contributions so far in this one though and yeah - they are meaningless stephen - in a thread about men who could go 3 BA wins - utterly fucking meaningless......I'm not being disingenuous. Your original post was vague and I had no idea what the hell you were getting at, and your random elliptical asides weren't helping. Are you trying to say that Day-Lewis's record is that he is the only male actor to win three leading prizes? Because if that's the case, then no, it's not untouchable. Glass ceilings are there to be shattered, but once they are, you find a lot more people able to rise above. And the Oscars have only been around for ninety-four years, and just within the last ten we've had three people win their third acting prize. These things are inevitable. But even so, Day-Lewis's male-centric record feels like trying to go for an overly narrow descriptor, because again, while Day-Lewis is the only man to accomplish this goal, two women have done the same (one of which following an almost exact blueprint of nomination-to-win ratio as DDL), and Hepburn still holds the record.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 26, 2022 18:24:41 GMT
If you think that any of those actresses especially in years they aren’t in the Oscar race are discussed even close to as much as Denzel, Pacino, DDL, DiCaprio etc you are blind because you are too close to it. Oh, God No I didn't say that exactly either But I just think it's not a problem and we have female-centric topics too .........part of the problem may be we don't have a lot of females posting by comparison....... I think these last few posts are just off on a side tangent - you either like the topic and can contribute a male who is likely to get to 3 nods - or you just go to another thread.......np What does the amount of male posters have to do with anything? This is literally the only Oscar related place on the internet that does that. Most everywhere else the actresses dominate the discussion.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 26, 2022 18:31:12 GMT
Really - you don't see how 3 BA wins is a record that's his alone? You're awfully disingenious today stephen - maybe this isn't the thread for you ............it's ok, it happens - there's plenty of other threads you are quite clear on - thank you for your marvelous contributions so far in this one though and yeah - they are meaningless stephen - in a thread about men who could go 3 BA wins - utterly fucking meaningless......I'm not being disingenuous. Your original post was vague and I had no idea what the hell you were getting at, and your random elliptical asides weren't helping. Are you trying to say that Day-Lewis's record is that he is the only male actor to win three leading prizes? Because if that's the case, then no, it's not untouchable. Glass ceilings are there to be shattered, but once they are, you find a lot more people able to rise above. And the Oscars have only been around for ninety-four years, and just within the last ten we've had three people win their third acting prize. These things are inevitable. But even so, Day-Lewis's male-centric record feels like trying to go for an overly narrow descriptor, because again, while Day-Lewis is the only man to accomplish this goal, two women have done the same (one of which following an almost exact blueprint of nomination-to-win ratio as DDL), and Hepburn still holds the record. To the first sentence I'd quote Harold Pinter through Jeremy Irons from Betrayal "I'm not trying to say anything, I'm saying exactly what I mean" - but yes On the 2nd sentence it is not "overly narrow" - it is rather accurately narrow. The fact that two women have done it in the last 10 years - and weren't the first - and when a man did it - no one else in the history of movies ever had done did it - makes it interesting to discuss in a more specific way.Ymmv...........and that's.........ok.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 26, 2022 18:37:49 GMT
Oh, God No I didn't say that exactly either But I just think it's not a problem and we have female-centric topics too .........part of the problem may be we don't have a lot of females posting by comparison....... I think these last few posts are just off on a side tangent - you either like the topic and can contribute a male who is likely to get to 3 nods - or you just go to another thread.......np What does the amount of male posters have to do with anything? This is literally the only Oscar related place on the internet that does that. Most everywhere else the actresses dominate the discussion. Meh - ok, you're right - I was just trying to guess why our threads may be male-centric Doesn't bother me though........I was just trying to address your concern about it, that's all.......no worries
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 26, 2022 18:43:04 GMT
What does the amount of male posters have to do with anything? This is literally the only Oscar related place on the internet that does that. Most everywhere else the actresses dominate the discussion. Meh - ok, you're right - I was just trying to guess why our threads may be male-centric Doesn't bother me though........I was just trying to address your concern about it, that's all.......no worries I wasn’t really just criticizing this thread (though I think it would have been more interesting if it was a discussion of actors of both genders who could get a third) just noticing how male centric this board usually is compared the the actress obsessed rest of the internet.
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Post by wilcinema on Feb 26, 2022 20:16:45 GMT
I don't see anybody doing that right now. Yes, hypothetically, very hypothetically, Hanks and Denzel could, but Hanks has been in an Oscar slump for twenty years, while Denzel keeps racking up nominations but never really gets close to winning, and the one where he got close was arguably his best shot (his Tony-winning role). I'm pretty sure he'll win another one in Lead in the next ten years, but a third one?
Leo I don't see either. He won his first on his fifth nomination and with an overwhelming sense of "overdueness" in a movie that almost won Best Picture and with weak competition. When he's been up against strong performances, he's always lost.
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Post by stephen on Feb 26, 2022 20:25:04 GMT
I don't see anybody doing that right now. Yes, hypothetically, very hypothetically, Hanks and Denzel could, but Hanks has been in an Oscar slump for twenty years, while Denzel keeps racking up nominations but never really gets close to winning, and the one where he got close was arguably his best shot (his Tony-winning role). I'm pretty sure he'll win another one in Lead in the next ten years, but a third one? Leo I don't see either. He won his first on his fifth nomination and with an overwhelming sense of "overdueness" in a movie that almost won Best Picture and with weak competition. When he's been up against strong performances, he's always lost. This actually brings up an interesting question: when has someone won off the back of an "overdue" narrative, then won a second Oscar soon after that? A huge part of DiCaprio's win was that it was his time, and even a lot of people were saying that the time that it was a career/makeup win (similarly to Winslet, and we've seen how tough it's been for her to get back on Oscar's radar since despite being a huge favorite of theirs). If DiCaprio is going to win a second Oscar, I think it's going to have to be for a truly undeniable role (which is why I have my doubts that it'll be for Killers of the Flower Moon).
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 26, 2022 20:28:07 GMT
I don't see anybody doing that right now. Yes, hypothetically, very hypothetically, Hanks and Denzel could, but Hanks has been in an Oscar slump for twenty years, while Denzel keeps racking up nominations but never really gets close to winning, and the one where he got close was arguably his best shot (his Tony-winning role). I'm pretty sure he'll win another one in Lead in the next ten years, but a third one? Leo I don't see either. He won his first on his fifth nomination and with an overwhelming sense of "overdueness" in a movie that almost won Best Picture and with weak competition. When he's been up against strong performances, he's always lost.Pretty much can't argue with this wil - although there is the scenario where Killers of The Flower Moon could such be an artistic beast (or an Oscar beast, not the same thing of course) and carries him to a 2nd win.......which of course leaves him 1 short anyway.......but that doesn't happen much for actor.......sometimes though .........if Cumby wins this years it would be an encouraging sign for that scenario for DiCap I guess
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Post by wilcinema on Feb 26, 2022 20:42:23 GMT
I don't see anybody doing that right now. Yes, hypothetically, very hypothetically, Hanks and Denzel could, but Hanks has been in an Oscar slump for twenty years, while Denzel keeps racking up nominations but never really gets close to winning, and the one where he got close was arguably his best shot (his Tony-winning role). I'm pretty sure he'll win another one in Lead in the next ten years, but a third one? Leo I don't see either. He won his first on his fifth nomination and with an overwhelming sense of "overdueness" in a movie that almost won Best Picture and with weak competition. When he's been up against strong performances, he's always lost. This actually brings up an interesting question: when has someone won off the back of an "overdue" narrative, then won a second Oscar soon after that? A huge part of DiCaprio's win was that it was his time, and even a lot of people were saying that the time that it was a career/makeup win (similarly to Winslet, and we've seen how tough it's been for her to get back on Oscar's radar since despite being a huge favorite of theirs). If DiCaprio is going to win a second Oscar, I think it's going to have to be for a truly undeniable role ( which is why I have my doubts that it'll be for Killers of the Flower Moon). Yep. Besides, Scorsese's movies are often ensemble movies, and his two Oscar-winning performances in Lead are very clearly lead performances, which I don't think will be Leo's case in KOTFM. Then again, if his performance is undeniable, he may obviously win.
What helps Leo is that he very often picks big potential Oscar projects, but you're right that off the back of an overdue win, actors usually struggle for a bit, which is my explanation for the DLU miss.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Feb 26, 2022 20:43:22 GMT
I don't see anybody doing that right now. Yes, hypothetically, very hypothetically, Hanks and Denzel could, but Hanks has been in an Oscar slump for twenty years, while Denzel keeps racking up nominations but never really gets close to winning, and the one where he got close was arguably his best shot (his Tony-winning role). I'm pretty sure he'll win another one in Lead in the next ten years, but a third one? Leo I don't see either. He won his first on his fifth nomination and with an overwhelming sense of "overdueness" in a movie that almost won Best Picture and with weak competition. When he's been up against strong performances, he's always lost. This actually brings up an interesting question: when has someone won off the back of an "overdue" narrative, then won a second Oscar soon after that?A huge part of DiCaprio's win was that it was his time, and even a lot of people were saying that the time that it was a career/makeup win (similarly to Winslet, and we've seen how tough it's been for her to get back on Oscar's radar since despite being a huge favorite of theirs). If DiCaprio is going to win a second Oscar, I think it's going to have to be for a truly undeniable role (which is why I have my doubts that it'll be for Killers of the Flower Moon). Would Sean Penn count? I think he was considered overdue by the time his Mystic River nomination rolled around (his fourth) then eventually winning 5 years later for Milk.
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Post by wilcinema on Feb 26, 2022 20:46:23 GMT
I don't see anybody doing that right now. Yes, hypothetically, very hypothetically, Hanks and Denzel could, but Hanks has been in an Oscar slump for twenty years, while Denzel keeps racking up nominations but never really gets close to winning, and the one where he got close was arguably his best shot (his Tony-winning role). I'm pretty sure he'll win another one in Lead in the next ten years, but a third one? Leo I don't see either. He won his first on his fifth nomination and with an overwhelming sense of "overdueness" in a movie that almost won Best Picture and with weak competition. When he's been up against strong performances, he's always lost.Pretty much can't argue with this wil - although there is the scenario where Killers of The Flower Moon could such be an artistic beast (or an Oscar beast, not the same thing of course) and carries him to a 2nd win.......which of course leaves him 1 short anyway.......but that doesn't happen much for actor.......sometimes though .........if Cumby wins this years it would be an encouraging sign for that scenario for DiCap I guess Definitely. I think what sets the bar very high for any actor to reach DDL's record is that DDL won those three Oscar with his very distinct and personal style, with full-on method acting and with the narrative of being one of the greatest of all time at that. Anybody who gets close to three Lead wins will have to fight that more than the record itself.
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Post by stephen on Feb 26, 2022 20:51:26 GMT
This actually brings up an interesting question: when has someone won off the back of an "overdue" narrative, then won a second Oscar soon after that?A huge part of DiCaprio's win was that it was his time, and even a lot of people were saying that the time that it was a career/makeup win (similarly to Winslet, and we've seen how tough it's been for her to get back on Oscar's radar since despite being a huge favorite of theirs). If DiCaprio is going to win a second Oscar, I think it's going to have to be for a truly undeniable role (which is why I have my doubts that it'll be for Killers of the Flower Moon). Would Sean Penn count? I think he was considered overdue by the time his Mystic River nomination rolled around (his fourth) then eventually winning 5 years later for Milk. Penn's kind of a weird outlier. The Best Actor race was so split with precursors in 2003 that I can't say it was the same type of scenario. His prior nominations are probably what helped him pip Murray and Depp to the post by the end.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Feb 26, 2022 20:55:52 GMT
I don't see anybody doing that right now. Yes, hypothetically, very hypothetically, Hanks and Denzel could, but Hanks has been in an Oscar slump for twenty years, while Denzel keeps racking up nominations but never really gets close to winning, and the one where he got close was arguably his best shot (his Tony-winning role). I'm pretty sure he'll win another one in Lead in the next ten years, but a third one? Leo I don't see either. He won his first on his fifth nomination and with an overwhelming sense of "overdueness" in a movie that almost won Best Picture and with weak competition. When he's been up against strong performances, he's always lost.Pretty much can't argue with this wil - although there is the scenario where Killers of The Flower Moon could such be an artistic beast (or an Oscar beast, not the same thing of course) and carries him to a 2nd win.......which of course leaves him 1 short anyway.......but that doesn't happen much for actor.......sometimes though .........if Cumby wins this years it would be an encouraging sign for that scenario for DiCap I guess I think Leo's role was initially a supporting one but he had it enhanced according to the writer. Would have been interesting to have had him and De Niro with supporting nominations. He could have been one of the few actors who won for lead and supporting which is also a rare achievement.
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