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Post by mhynson27 on Feb 23, 2022 20:15:54 GMT
How about Tom Hardy? I don't want to turn this into a "who needs to do a comedy" thread but maybe at least lighten up a little for a bit?On the other hand Hardy may have been great in TPoTD (if Cumby didn't play it).......or maybe not - maybe it would have revealed limitations......but that's an example of being typecast in that you think of him for a role even if you think he needs to get away from that role.  You clearly haven't seen the Venom movies. |
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 24, 2022 17:04:30 GMT
Hopkins is funny no matter is a commedy or a drama.-
I think his rol as Van Helsing was funny, His Hannibal Lecter at the End of the Seccond film, with the fat child is funny as hell, His Hichcock movie definitive isn't a drama, his wolfman, The Road to Wellville definitive a Commedy, Free JAck. he even made a movie with Goldie Hawn The Girl from Petrovka.
Just for not doing, an Adam Sandler or Seth Rogen movie, doesn't mean he portrayed dozen of comical characters and several commedy specially in the 70s and 80s. Most are dark commedies, I guess he prefer the farse.-
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 24, 2022 17:16:49 GMT
Of course, the ideal is never to play your "type" but that becomes very difficult in American movies - usually the bigger you are the more you are fitted to your screen persona - which is fine to me - but who is someone that you "think" could do do something they really never do (it seems) or haven't pulled off...........or isn't in their "strength" anyway Some obvious ones for me: Hanks, playing a "villain". At his age it may be a "one and done" role - like the best example in movies - Fonda in OUATITW .............maybe it's Elvis - we'll see?
Washington - playing in a comedy- a comic role in a big film would have him much closer to the American GOATs imo - than he is atm - every American actor I rank ahead of him as an "all timer" /GOAT has pulled off comedy clearly more than him and is comparable or better in drama - and that's even with TToM. Hopkins - see Washington .............although Hopkins is older so he doesn't need it because he isn't as "active" it feels now after his 2nd win - his legacy is pretty locked as is (and it's major) .....but a comedy success would really get Hopkins a bit closer to Olivier / DDL ( also lacks comedy btw) / Finney as a UK level top 3 for me - all of whom I rank ahead of him - and that's even with The Father Bale - No more body changing roles (?) - this may be the case already? Age may have done this for him? Chalamet - A role where he seems his actual age - he's 26 - and not noticeably young. May be a bit unfair.......  Hopkins with over 100 titles on TV and Films, at least 20% of their filmography is a Comedy, and at a least a third of his characters are funny. Washington, OK he could do more commedy, but he made in the past several commedies.- Bale most of his role, hasn't to change his body Chalamet he portray a King in his mid 20s when he was 20.- Hanks, yep Tom Hanks good american hero, or good neighboard roles, yep we are a little tired, he tried some kind of villians, but just a kind, not a character 100% sinester.- |
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 24, 2022 17:20:10 GMT
How about Tom Hardy? I don't want to turn this into a "who needs to do a comedy" thread but maybe at least lighten up a little for a bit?On the other hand Hardy may have been great in TPoTD (if Cumby didn't play it).......or maybe not - maybe it would have revealed limitations......but that's an example of being typecast in that you think of him for a role even if you think he needs to get away from that role. You clearly haven't seen the Venom movies. Or the one with Reese Witherspoon.- |
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 24, 2022 17:32:44 GMT
What is rare that most of Hollywood Actresses, haven't portray a trully important real life woman.
Jennifer Lawrence for example her first great real life character will be Elizabeth Holmes.-
My beloved Winona Ryder rarely she portray real life characters, most of them irrelevant, and usually the wife of... Jerry Lee Lewis, Bill Wilson, Stanley Milgram etc.-
Never a trully great woman of her own.
J.Lo another example, if there is an interesting hispanic, latina or latin (including italian or french ones) characters they given by a brittish, aussie actress.-
Yep she was made famous by her portray of Selena, but how many Selenas she played after it? Again just one the wife of Hector Lavoe in the totally forgotten El Cantante.-
Very few Hollywood actresses had the luck of portray interesting historical or real life women more than 3 times.-
These roles usually goes to brittish and aussie ones. Of course there are exceptions like Susan Sarandon or Meryl Streep.-
Even someone like Samantha Morton, a beloved actress here, but not in Hollywood, has several real life characters, in leading, supporting or cameos roles in films and TV. She needs urgently more comedy. Maybe Harlots is a commedy, maybe she had funny characters in several movies and tv shows I haven't seen it. But usually are all dramatics roles. I don't consider her Woody Allen movie a Commedy.-
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 24, 2022 18:03:08 GMT
Of course, the ideal is never to play your "type" but that becomes very difficult in American movies - usually the bigger you are the more you are fitted to your screen persona - which is fine to me - but who is someone that you "think" could do do something they really never do (it seems) or haven't pulled off...........or isn't in their "strength" anyway Some obvious ones for me: Hanks, playing a "villain". At his age it may be a "one and done" role - like the best example in movies - Fonda in OUATITW .............maybe it's Elvis - we'll see?
Washington - playing in a comedy- a comic role in a big film would have him much closer to the American GOATs imo - than he is atm - every American actor I rank ahead of him as an "all timer" /GOAT has pulled off comedy clearly more than him and is comparable or better in drama - and that's even with TToM. Hopkins - see Washington .............although Hopkins is older so he doesn't need it because he isn't as "active" it feels now after his 2nd win - his legacy is pretty locked as is (and it's major) .....but a comedy success would really get Hopkins a bit closer to Olivier / DDL ( also lacks comedy btw) / Finney as a UK level top 3 for me - all of whom I rank ahead of him - and that's even with The Father Bale - No more body changing roles (?) - this may be the case already? Age may have done this for him? Chalamet - A role where he seems his actual age - he's 26 - and not noticeably young. May be a bit unfair....... Hopkins with over 100 titles on TV and Films, at least 20% of their filmography is a Comedy, and at a least a third of his characters are funny. Washington, OK he could do more commedy, but he made in the past several commedies.- I think you are taking it too literally hugo  - Hopkins may be funny to you - sure , ok...........but you'll have a hard time pointing to a comedy he got broad acclaim for - No Oscar, no GG, no BAFTA nod for it - same with Washington - who can be funny (he was funny in Training Day) but not at the level other "great actors" have been at: Out of these guys they are sometimes lumped in with - they do not have any major award or a big comedy hit for a comedic role - but ALL of these guys do : DiCaprio, Phoenix, Hanks, Bale, PSH, Newman, DePac, Nicholson, Lemmon, Dustin Hoffman, DiCap etc. and many more - if Hopkins / Washington had a "major" comedic role I'd rank them higher personally, that's all I mean.......they don't make me laugh either, apart from that criteria above...... Regarding: Tom Hardy - I know he's lightened up in the past just saying, he's become something of stiff turd at the moment - but if you think "This Means War" (26% RT) and Venom (30% RT) & it's sequel - are funny - ok, fair enough........I think of Venom as tongue in cheek action movies which isn't what I want from him .............but ........to each his own. Good call on actresses needing a "real life part" - those parts are often hard to get on a project level - since producers figure they won't make money maybe.........?
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Post by stephen on Feb 24, 2022 18:05:04 GMT
How about Tom Hardy? I don't want to turn this into a "who needs to do a comedy" thread but maybe at least lighten up a little for a bit? On the other hand Hardy may have been great in TPoTD (if Cumby didn't play it).......or maybe not - maybe it would have revealed limitations......but that's an example of being typecast in that you think of him for a role even if you think he needs to get away from that role. Have you not seen Venom? |
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 24, 2022 18:11:38 GMT
How about Tom Hardy? I don't want to turn this into a "who needs to do a comedy" thread but maybe at least lighten up a little for a bit? On the other hand Hardy may have been great in TPoTD (if Cumby didn't play it).......or maybe not - maybe it would have revealed limitations......but that's an example of being typecast in that you think of him for a role even if you think he needs to get away from that role. Have you not seen Venom? I saw it - wasn't funny to me. I think of it as an action movie so not exactly what I meant either tbh...........to me when I think of Tom Hardy atm - I think of an uptight guy who seems quite tiresome .......to me..........this was mentioned earlier too about Venom btw. Ymmv |
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Post by wilcinema on Feb 24, 2022 18:19:02 GMT
If comedy counts, Tom Hanks played a villain in Ladykillers. Also, some of the actors mentioned may not do a lot of comedy, but doesn't mean they aren't capable of being funny or outright hilarious in dramatic roles when called for it. What about the reverse - who's a funny actor you want to see pull off a drama like Melissa McCarthy did? Kristen Wiig definitely. I know The Skeleton Twins has drama bits here and there, but I'm very curious to see her in a full-on drama. I think she has the range. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 25, 2022 2:41:17 GMT
Tom Cruise. I’ve loved him pretty much every time he’s done it.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 25, 2022 5:57:48 GMT
Hopkins with over 100 titles on TV and Films, at least 20% of their filmography is a Comedy, and at a least a third of his characters are funny. Washington, OK he could do more commedy, but he made in the past several commedies.- I think you are taking it too literally hugo - Hopkins may be funny to you - sure , ok...........but you'll have a hard time pointing to a comedy he got broad acclaim for - No Oscar, no GG, no BAFTA nod for it - same with Washington - who can be funny (he was funny in Training Day) but not at the level other "great actors" have been at: Out of these guys they are sometimes lumped in with - they do not have any major award or a big comedy hit for a comedic role - but ALL of these guys do : DiCaprio, Phoenix, Hanks, Bale, PSH, Newman, DePac, Nicholson, Lemmon, Dustin Hoffman, DiCap etc. and many more - if Hopkins / Washington had a "major" comedic role I'd rank them higher personally, that's all I mean.......they don't make me laugh either, apart from that criteria above...... Regarding: Tom Hardy - I know he's lightened up in the past just saying, he's become something of stiff turd at the moment - but if you think "This Means War" (26% RT) and Venom (30% RT) & it's sequel - are funny - ok, fair enough........I think of Venom as tongue in cheek action movies which isn't what I want from him .............but ........to each his own. Good call on actresses needing a "real life part" - those parts are often hard to get on a project level - since producers figure they won't make money maybe.........?
Maybe Hopkins had before he become famous, he made several funny commedies, but even un the father and the 2 popes his last Oscar nominated films , he had time to show his commedy skills. But he trully become fsmous in his mid 50s, so the only commedy he could make right now is the sequel of Walking Ned Divine. Washington who is much younger had the opportunity to show his commedy skills, but very few times he showed that. Maybe he isnt good at it. Hardy has time to show his cómic skills. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 25, 2022 7:32:12 GMT
Tom Cruise. I’ve loved him pretty much every time he’s done it. Agree. What would you like to see him do against type - specifically? Play a villain now - like Collateral? Something small scale drama and no action? Comedy? I always felt he should play a guy that loses more - it's that "Richard Gere" thing - where Gere is far more appealing when he isn't getting the girl or things are going great (Internal Affairs, Primal Fear, Unfaithful) |
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Post by stephen on Feb 25, 2022 13:43:09 GMT
I saw it - wasn't funny to me. I think of it as an action movie so not exactly what I meant either tbh...........to me when I think of Tom Hardy atm - I think of an uptight guy who seems quite tiresome .......to me..........this was mentioned earlier too about Venom btw. Ymmv I mean, just because it wasn't funny to you doesn't mean it isn't in that vein. Comedy is the most subjective genre there is, and Hardy is clearly going for broke in those movies. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 25, 2022 13:56:33 GMT
Tom Cruise. I’ve loved him pretty much every time he’s done it. Agree. What would you like to see him do against type - specifically? Play a villain now - like Collateral? Something small scale drama and no action? Comedy? I always felt he should play a guy that loses more - it's that "Richard Gere" thing - where Gere is far more appealing when he isn't getting the girl or things are going great (Internal Affairs, Primal Fear, Unfaithful) Definitely another villain role. And yeah, someone that isn’t necessarily the best at what he does and maybe also dealing with a gambling addiction, or alcoholism, or infidelity. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 25, 2022 14:11:47 GMT
I saw it - wasn't funny to me. I think of it as an action movie so not exactly what I meant either tbh...........to me when I think of Tom Hardy atm - I think of an uptight guy who seems quite tiresome .......to me..........this was mentioned earlier too about Venom btw. Ymmv Comedy is the most subjective genre there is, and Hardy is clearly going for broke in those movies. Not really - it's a message board and it's my post. I mean, what I wasn't supposed to list him even though I think it all the time because some people find him funny in it when I don't? I mean Fuck Tom Hardy  The thread is Actors / Actresses You Want To See Play Against "Type" - Comedy isn't his type.............. and the funniest he's been lately to me is Capone (unintentionally) ............just a dissenting POV........no worries  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 25, 2022 14:18:58 GMT
How about Michael B Jordan playing another villain also?
He sought out the Black Panther role because he noticed he was "missing it" - but his last 5 movies are way too noble (Just Mercy, Journals For Jordan, Creed II, Without Remorse, Creed III next year).
Another villain turn may free him up a little ......would be good for him and his acting I'm guessing......
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Post by Mattsby on Mar 21, 2022 21:51:02 GMT
How about Diane Lane who's been under the radar feeling for a while with quieter style perfs..... how about an unhinged, villainy Lena Olin-esque role?
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- Hopkins may be funny to you - sure , ok...........but you'll have a hard time pointing to a comedy he got broad acclaim for - No Oscar, no GG, no BAFTA nod for it - same with Washington - who can be funny (he was funny in Training Day) but not at the level other "great actors" have been at:
