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Post by ibbi on Feb 5, 2022 21:19:51 GMT
I come out and I suddenly understand why the band write their name all in caps because how can you not come out of Licorice Pizza thinking HAIM! ? I said last year that she was my pick either to get, or be robbed of an Oscar nom and a couple of days out it looks like it will probably swing the latter way, but who cares? A star is born. Hope she does more. On the hangout movie scale I'd have it somewhere between Dazed and Confused (though I liked it much more than that) and American Graffiti (which I probably like it slightly less than) but Anderson has once again excelled at just conjuring this sublime world to revel in into being. I watch Phantom Thread and I can just taste it, and it's absolutely same again here. If his 07//12/14 efforts were a sort of loosely linked trilogy, I'd love him to nail us with another tasty retro throwback revolving around an odd relationship to round this one out too The trouble for me is that the movie is almost without exception at its best when Hoffman and HAIM! are together, and the longer it goes the less they are, and that is a problem it cannot overcome. If it were a little shorter that would be a little less of an issue, but it's a minor niggle anyway. I actually think Haim is in a pretty decent position to get nominated. HAVEN'T YOU SPENT ALL SEASON PICKING STEWART?!
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Post by mhynson27 on Feb 5, 2022 21:31:20 GMT
I actually think Haim is in a pretty decent position to get nominated. HAVEN'T YOU SPENT ALL SEASON PICKING STEWART?! Guilty. But to be fair, most people thought she'd at least get nominated. It wasn't just me jinxing her Presuming she was Top 2 at BAFTA, she's in good shape.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 9, 2022 20:53:50 GMT
does anyone have any idea when this is going to drop to VOD? Apparently it's still showing in a few theaters but it has a blu-ray release on March 15. Is it just going to be March 15... ? Do I have to postpone the 6th annual Tommens just to watch Licorice Pizza on March 15?? I mean since the screener Focus Features sent me apparently got "lost in the mail". Uh-huh. Sure.
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Post by Miles Morales on Feb 9, 2022 22:54:38 GMT
does anyone have any idea when this is going to drop to VOD? Apparently it's still showing in a few theaters but it has a blu-ray release on March 15. Is it just going to be March 15... ? Do I have to postpone the 6th annual Tommens just to watch Licorice Pizza on March 15?? I mean since the screener Focus Features sent me apparently got "lost in the mail". Uh-huh. Sure. If the Blu-ray release is on March 15, then the VOD/digital release is likely to be two weeks earlier - March 1 or earlier. Let's see. I've been waiting to watch it too, there's currently no release date set (streaming or theatrical) here in India.
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Post by JangoB on Feb 10, 2022 14:17:46 GMT
For those who haven't seen this : Brings back the "Couch" memories!
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 10, 2022 23:25:52 GMT
I absolutely would have loved this if the icky central romance didn’t cast a dark cloud over everything. Really makes Haim’s character seem like an immature loser who I just can’t root for. They could have just made him 18 and graduating. It’s not like his character was ever in school anyways.
I’ve heard some weird defenses of this age gap like
”It was the 70’s” yeah it was still illegal then. This is even acknowledged
“She’s very immature and doesn’t look old” How exactly is that better?
”Then their relationship wouldn’t have a conflict” Illegal age gaps are not story conflict for characters to overcome. They are deal breakers. Write a different conflict. Or at least paint this romance in a more negative light.
“It’s not like they had sex” … yeah not YET. But this is clearly a romantic relationship.
I wouldn’t have minded if she had gotten with that age appropriate guy from the campaign. Would have shown some actual character development but they threw that away in the last 10 minutes.
Cast was fantastic though. Especially Bradley Cooper. His scene was maybe the best of any movie this year.
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Post by thelistenercanon on Feb 11, 2022 0:23:02 GMT
@sterling
I agree. I can’t believe people think this is acceptable. I love PTA although I’ve always find him to kind of overrated as I would never rank him as high as Kubrick or Tarkovsky. Haven’t said this, I hadn’t seen a film I disliked of his until this one. If this wins BP, I’ll cry.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 11, 2022 1:19:57 GMT
@sterling I agree. I can’t believe people think this is acceptable. I love PTA although I’ve always find him to kind of overrated as I would never rank him as high as Kubrick or Tarkovsky. Haven’t said this, I hadn’t seen a film I disliked of his until this one. If this wins BP, I’ll cry. I’m kind of the opposite with PTA. I haven’t liked his stuff post TWBB but I would have loved this if it wasn’t for the age gap.
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Post by mrimpossible on Feb 11, 2022 1:22:58 GMT
I think age of consent should clearly always be 16. People are babying young adults too much.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 11, 2022 3:19:41 GMT
IDK guys, movies don't have to be after school specials that teach some kind of positive life lesson. No, it's not a good idea for a teenager to date a 20 something in real life, but that doesn't mean you can't make a movie about it. As I said in my original post the best fictional romances often have something illicit about them that would not be advisable in the real world. And no one seems to have a moral problem with movies where like a killer gets away with it like Silence of the Lambs or Primal Fear, but a teenager hanging out with an older girl and flirting is where we draw the line. @sterling I agree. I can’t believe people think this is acceptable. I love PTA although I’ve always find him to kind of overrated as I would never rank him as high as Kubrick or Tarkovsky. Haven’t said this, I hadn’t seen a film I disliked of his until this one. If this wins BP, I’ll cry.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 11, 2022 4:23:35 GMT
IDK guys, movies don't have to be after school specials that teach some kind of positive life lesson. No, it's not a good idea for a teenager to date a 20 something in real life, but that doesn't mean you can't make a movie about it. As I said in my original post the best fictional romances often have something illicit about them that would not be advisable in the real world. And no one seems to have a moral problem with movies where like a killer gets away with it like Silence of the Lambs or Primal Fear, but a teenager hanging out with an older girl and flirting is where we draw the line. @sterling I agree. I can’t believe people think this is acceptable. I love PTA although I’ve always find him to kind of overrated as I would never rank him as high as Kubrick or Tarkovsky. Haven’t said this, I hadn’t seen a film I disliked of his until this one. If this wins BP, I’ll cry. Nobody is saying he can’t make this movie if he wants but I can still think that the ickiness can still ruin any attachment I have to it’s central character. The film portrays this relationship as sweet and her as sympathetic. It’s not like Silence of the Lambs portrays murder as a good thing… Hanibal Lector is still very much a villain.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 11, 2022 4:24:45 GMT
I think age of consent should clearly always be 16. People are babying young adults too much. I’m going to remain civil and not touch this one… Either way his character isn’t even 16.
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Post by thelistenercanon on Feb 11, 2022 5:22:21 GMT
Nobody is saying he can’t make this movie if he wants but I can still think that the ickiness can still ruin any attachment I have to it’s central character. The film portrays this relationship as sweet and her as sympathetic. It’s not like Silence of the Lambs portrays murder as a good thing… Hanibal Lector is still very much a villain. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by JangoB on Feb 11, 2022 23:06:26 GMT
Loooool, MGM actually posted this
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Post by countjohn on Feb 12, 2022 2:58:44 GMT
Loooool, MGM actually posted this Marketing an Oscar movie and reading the big serious reviews over the top of something like that is so punk rock.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Feb 12, 2022 16:33:31 GMT
@sterling I agree. I can’t believe people think this is acceptable. I love PTA although I’ve always find him to kind of overrated as I would never rank him as high as Kubrick or Tarkovsky. Haven’t said this, I hadn’t seen a film I disliked of his until this one. If this wins BP, I’ll cry. If this wins BP, I'll cry TEARS OF JOY...and take a BATH in your prudish snowflake dumbass tears. FUCK OFF!!
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Feb 12, 2022 18:46:34 GMT
I think age of consent should clearly always be 16. People are babying young adults too much. I’m going to remain civil and not touch this one… Either way his character isn’t even 16. So if he was a year older you wouldn't be having this triggered pearl-clutching prudish knee-jerk reaction to their BEAUTIFUL relationship in the film?? I doubt it. We're you this triggered by CMBYN?? Cuz if you weren't, I don't think I have enough middle fingers for your hypocrisy.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 12, 2022 18:49:48 GMT
I’m going to remain civil and not touch this one… Either way his character isn’t even 16. So if he was a year older you wouldn't be having this triggered pearl-clutching prudish knee-jerk reaction to their BEAUTIFUL relationship in the film?? I doubt its No. He’s the one saying the age should be 16, not me. I strongly disagree. I think he should be at least 3 years older for it not to be gross. I didn’t find it beautiful at all.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 12, 2022 18:51:02 GMT
I’m going to remain civil and not touch this one… Either way his character isn’t even 16. So if he was a year older you wouldn't be having this triggered pearl-clutching prudish knee-jerk reaction to their BEAUTIFUL relationship in the film?? I doubt it. We're you this triggered by CMBYN?? Cuz if you weren't, I don't think I have enough middle fingers for your hypocrisy. CMBYN was pretty problematic too…
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Feb 12, 2022 18:52:30 GMT
So if he was a year older you wouldn't be having this triggered pearl-clutching prudish knee-jerk reaction to their BEAUTIFUL relationship in the film?? I doubt its No. He’s the one saying the age should be 16, not me. I strongly disagree. I think he should be at least 3 years older for it not to be gross. I didn’t find it beautiful at all. I know you don't, that's why you're an idiot. The age of consent laws in U.S. are completely random hypocritical & worthless. If you think there's that much difference between a 16-year old & an 18-year old in terms of sexual maturity then you're nothing but a disingenuous prude.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Feb 12, 2022 18:56:39 GMT
So if he was a year older you wouldn't be having this triggered pearl-clutching prudish knee-jerk reaction to their BEAUTIFUL relationship in the film?? I doubt it. We're you this triggered by CMBYN?? Cuz if you weren't, I don't think I have enough middle fingers for your hypocrisy. CMBYN was pretty problematic too… Yeah, okay, now you're exposed. People who use the word "problematic" are NOT serious people or the moral arbiters they see themselves at. It's a meaningless, self-righteous word that just shows your own WEAKNESS.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 12, 2022 19:00:07 GMT
No. He’s the one saying the age should be 16, not me. I strongly disagree. I think he should be at least 3 years older for it not to be gross. I didn’t find it beautiful at all. I know you don't, that's why you're an idiot. The age of consent laws in U.S. are completely random hypocritical & worthless. If you think there's that much difference between a 16-year old & an 18-year old in terms of sexual maturity then you're nothing but a disingenuous prude. I don't understand how this way of thinking crept into movie criticism btw unless the film is purposely exploitative - which Licorice Pizza clearly is not. It's fine that people didn't like the film - anybody can dislike any film for any reason (ever hear my thoughts about Goodfellas? ) - but in general - you need to keep that kind of thinking out of your critical thinking - or at least I do. Would people not enjoy Lolita or Murmur of the Heart .......I mean there's greater films than LP imo - that are way more problematic (hate that dumbass word) and if they were LESS problematic wouldn't be as great either.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Feb 12, 2022 19:29:10 GMT
I know you don't, that's why you're an idiot. The age of consent laws in U.S. are completely random hypocritical & worthless. If you think there's that much difference between a 16-year old & an 18-year old in terms of sexual maturity then you're nothing but a disingenuous prude. I don't understand how this way of thinking crept into movie criticism btw unless the film is purposely exploitative - which Licorice Pizza clearly is not. It's fine that people didn't like the film - anybody can dislike any film for any reason (ever hear my thoughts about Goodfellas? ) - but in general - you need to keep that kind of thinking out of your critical thinking - or at least I do. Would people not enjoy Lolita or Murmur of the Heart .......I mean there's greater films than LP imo - that are way more problematic (hate that dumbass word) and if they were LESS problematic wouldn't be as great either. I haven’t seen the other movie but have no problem with Lolita because that relationship isn’t portrayed as “beautiful”. I wouldn’t have had any problem with Licorice Pizza if she had realized how stupid it is for her to be in love with a 15 year old. That would have been good character development. Instead she went back to him and this is seen as a good thing. I don’t have a problem with characters doing amoral things the problem is in what light the filmmaker portrays these things. It’s PTA’s right if he wants to portray this is positive but I don’t have to like it.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 24, 2022 4:53:25 GMT
yeah I didn't care for this unfortunately 1. age gap was hugely problematic, especially for how the film flirts with examining the toxicity of it but seemingly just gives up never does 2. the racist jokes were reeeeally hard to sit through. How does dialogue like that unironically get written in 2021? 3. but mostly, it was boring. The film is crammed with period details and Easter eggs for nostalgic Hollywood history nerds but the sum total of the plot is just Alana and Gary fucking around in 1973 LA for two hours. It's just a hangout movie, and Haim's excellent acting aside there isn't enough reason for me to be engaged with this relationship for two hours. Cooper was hilarious but there wasn't enough of him. The entire Sean Penn segment was mind-numbingly boring.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Feb 24, 2022 5:37:59 GMT
Tommen_Saperstein I disagree with this strongly, but I respect and validate your take on the material, and continue to co-exist peacefully with you. I had no idea disagreement could be so easy. And harmless
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