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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 17:31:01 GMT
... as THE prestige award, regardless of medium? I ask because of this kind of fascinating article on why The Last Duel flopped - do give it a read: Awards Radar. |
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Post by stephen on Oct 24, 2021 17:50:11 GMT
I see what they're getting at, and obviously television is rising in prestige, but I don't think the Emmys are ever going to eclipse the Oscars.
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Post by SZilla on Oct 24, 2021 17:51:20 GMT
Nah, I think the Oscars will remain the top prestigious award for a few reasons. The first being its age - it is the oldest acting award of any medium, I believe. It also has less winners, making it "more" prestigious. For acting alone, the Emmys have 3 Best leading actor/actress winners each year, plus the supporting and guest star awards and that's not even taking the Daytime Emmys into account.
The more winners there are, the less "prestigious" it becomes.
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Post by finniussnrub on Oct 24, 2021 17:55:56 GMT
No, partially because there's just too many categories reducing the sense of prestige since it is statistically easier to win one.
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Post by quetee on Oct 24, 2021 18:25:28 GMT
Movie stars are on another level compared to TV stars. That's why the Emmys will never overtake Oscars.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 24, 2021 20:25:03 GMT
No.
Silly question. It won't ever happen. At least not in our lifetimes. For a start, there are too many Emmy categories (not to mention Daytime Emmys & International Emmys). Lots of people in the industry have an Emmy, because they get handed out like candy. Oscar is still by far a rarer prize. Especially for actors, as only 4 can win an Oscar each year. Probably about 30 + actors win an Emmy each year, when you consider all the variations of the Emmys handed out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 20:39:33 GMT
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 24, 2021 20:50:54 GMT
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 24, 2021 20:56:10 GMT
It's a good question. It pairs with the interesting argument of Movies vs TV..... and we're seeing recently so many of our great directors and actors doing series work, and I mean a lot more than in the past. Will we reach a point where an Emmy becomes generally more coveted than the Oscar? Well what happens down the line when the scale of year's best projects tilt more and more to TV - not only best, though, also output...... you'll probably see the award desire change too, no? I still think it's a wayyyyys off, as Emmy Winner hasn't and doesn't hold the pedigree as Oscar Winner..... just on a historical and gut level. And personally, I made the claim that this year's Emmys were the worst of my lifetime but that was bc they left so many great shows off their ballots - just wait until they don't! ( I mean, you snub Judy Davis and Holly Hunter, you're gonna make some enemies  ) |
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Post by flasuss on Oct 24, 2021 21:53:02 GMT
No. Silly question. It won't ever happen. At least not in our lifetimes. For a start, there are too many Emmy categories (not to mention Daytime Emmys & International Emmys). Lots of people in the industry have an Emmy, because they get handed out like candy. Oscar is still by far a rarer prize. Especially for actors, as only 4 can win an Oscar each year. Probably about 30 + actors win an Emmy each year, when you consider all the variations of the Emmys handed out. Exactly. Plus, a movie only gets one chance at winning BP, while TV shows get every year- and the Emmy tends to award the same ones over and over again even when they had significant dips in quality (see Thrones, Game of) , which also serves to diminish it's appeal. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2021 1:06:06 GMT
Movie stars are on another level compared to TV stars. That's why the Emmys will never overtake Oscars. Is there really a difference anymore?  |
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Post by stabcaesar on Oct 25, 2021 6:47:49 GMT
Any award that randomly nominates 7 or 8 people in a single category and gives out awards like they've never even bothered to watch the nominees is never gonna eclipse the Oscars.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 25, 2021 8:31:57 GMT
Movie stars are on another level compared to TV stars. That's why the Emmys will never overtake Oscars. Is there really a difference anymore? Yeah acting is the one area where it will possibly overtake the Oscar. That's a 1985 POV imo to argue movie stars and TV stars nowadays. Prior to the TV renaissance (or whatever we call that - New Golden Age etc) - no one argued any TV actor - even the most acclaimed ones ( Alan Alda, Carroll O'Connor) with the worlds best actors............but there are plenty of people who would passionately argue Gandolfini and Cranston as 2 all-timer performances that can stand with any ever in the movies....... Many people will argue Winslet as the female performance of this year .........in 2019 it was Michelle Williams who topped all 5 of the Oscar Best Actress nominees on merit (anybody argue that? If so, please slap yourself - thanks). I've said this before at some point - when more men start doing it actually (um) - winning the Acting Triple Crown will - in some cases - be seen as more noteworthy - in the moment at least - than having merely one of its components - even if its multiple times....... when people (um, again ok when men - f'n Patriarchy  ) start winning 3 Oscars regularly that it's like ordering lunch - maybe Washington this year, either Hanks/De Niro next year .......the acting Oscar will matter even less - even if you're a 2 time or 3 time winner........it will look more like a BAFTA to general US audiences. Now that's all years away.......but .....it'll eventually happen..... |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Oct 25, 2021 12:39:14 GMT
I think slowly but surely all industry awards are declining in relevancy with every new generation. We probably won’t ever see 30-40 million people watching the Oscars or 18+ million watching the Primetime Emmys again like in the past but I think as far as the hierarchy of prestige and value to people who work in Hollywood I think the Oscar will always remain king imho.
I mean JT Dolan tried to pawn off his Emmy for some quick cash but the pawn shop owner told him if he had an Oscar to pawn maybe they could work something out.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Oct 25, 2021 15:07:05 GMT
I think slowly but surely all industry awards are declining in relevancy with every new generation. We probably won’t ever see 30-40 million people watching the Oscars or 18+ million watching the Primetime Emmys again like in the past but I think as far as the hierarchy of prestige and value to people who work in Hollywood I think the Oscar will always remain king imho. I mean JT Dolan tried to pawn off his Emmy for some quick cash but the pawn shop owner told him if he had an Oscar to pawn maybe they could work something out. Good point. I think mainly the Oscars will just be relevant to a degree because they're the original and biggest, and every other award shows will be vying for whatever attention they can get on a random semi-popular streaming service. The Emmy's and Golden Globes will probably be better off then most, but still probably not great. |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Oct 25, 2021 16:03:18 GMT
I think slowly but surely all industry awards are declining in relevancy with every new generation. We probably won’t ever see 30-40 million people watching the Oscars or 18+ million watching the Primetime Emmys again like in the past but I think as far as the hierarchy of prestige and value to people who work in Hollywood I think the Oscar will always remain king imho. I mean JT Dolan tried to pawn off his Emmy for some quick cash but the pawn shop owner told him if he had an Oscar to pawn maybe they could work something out. Good point. I think mainly the Oscars will just be relevant to a degree because they're the original and biggest, and every other award shows will be vying for whatever attention they can get on a random semi-popular streaming service. The Emmy's and Golden Globes will probably be better off then most, but still probably not great. Agreed. I think the Tonys are heading that way as far as heading to a streaming service. I think this year half of the show was on Paramount + and the other half was on their normal home, CBS. Although historically The Tony Awards have always been the smaller show ratings wise compared to the Oscars and Emmys. Wonder if that will be the future of these award shows..heading to streaming services like everything else seems like its doing. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Oct 28, 2021 14:00:26 GMT
No, but the Oscars without a doubt need to embrace streaming and permantly change their eligibility rules.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 28, 2021 17:18:31 GMT
There was a golden age of TV between the late 70s and early 80s, when everybody in Hollywood was involve in TV, specially was a place for academy award winners and nominees actors, that couldn't find a film material that was also box office success. Even Meryl Streep the Cinema Queen of the 80s made a TV miniseries of Alice in Worldland.
Films were reduced to still powerful box office draws (Nicholson, Fonda, Pacino, De Niro, Streisend and of course Sly and Arnie) and young and cheap starlets (Cruise, Rooney, Demi Moore, Costner) or even cheapear like busty scream queen Z Linnea Quigley. While the most respected actors of the time combined films with TV (Bergman, O'Toole, Reynolds, Hepburn, Bette Davis, Vanessa Redgrave, Anthony Quinn, Henry Fonda, Natalie Wood, Jason Robards, Lawrence Olivier, Rock Hudson, Faye Dunnaway) doing usually Big Budget miniseries and TV movies
This come to an end in the late 80s and early 90s where the iron curtain fell down, and Hollywood could exports films everywhere.-
none else want to do TV movies or films exceptions of Glenn Close and Helena Bonham Carter.-
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