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Post by hilderic on Oct 18, 2021 22:18:59 GMT
I was born and raised in Continental Europe. You wrote "this is not the case", not "this was not the case", so I naturally thought you meant now. Deborah Feldman, the author of Unorthodox - born and raised in New York but lives in Berlin now - watch this at the 10:00 mark - this is still an issue in Europe. She's talking about neo-Nazis, who are obviously a problem but - I hope - not representatives of us Europeans as a whole. Similarly, you write in another post "Jewish is thought of as a race in Europe", which, again, is something neo-Nazis would think, not your average European citizen. Race does not appear in most (perhaps all) European censuses and "the only race is the human race" is still very much what we are taught in school (though I believe this is perceived as old-fashioned and inadequate in the USA).
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Post by jakesully on Oct 19, 2021 1:21:37 GMT
Could you list some examples of non Jewish actors playing Jews? IMO it seems to be quite rare and not some big problem (like Sarah Silverman is alluding to) Off the top of my head all I can think of is Oscar Isaac in Inside Llewyn Davis (hand picked by the Coen brothers who are Jewish) and Eric Bana in Munich (hand picked by Steven Spielberg who is Jewish) Woody Allen, Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David (who are all Jewish actors) portray their characters the way they want to (normally neurotic) I don't think Sarah Silverman makes a good point at all here. She comes across lacking any sort of self awareness imo. I mean, Silverman listed several in her interview, and the likes of Pacino, Streep, and De Niro have all done it as well. Yeah I know she listed a few but she's making it seem like its some rampant problem which it clearly isn't. The United States Jewish population is currently under 3% last time I checked so to think that Jewish people are being underrepresented in Hollywood is just laughable to me. Also so what if Pacino, Streep and De Niro have played Jewish characters before? Its acting after all and those 3 are living legends when it comes to acting (they've been very respectable how they went about their roles as well). Andrew Garfield (who's Jewish btw) played a devout hardcore Bible thumping Christian character in Hacksaw Ridge and did a fantastic/very realistic job in it too (well deserved Oscar nomination imo) I just think Sarah Silverman is being ridiculous here.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Oct 19, 2021 2:17:45 GMT
In the US, Jewish people are fully assimilated into white American culture (I understand that this is not the case in Europe). I think her statements are only working to "other" Jewish people, which is dangerous IMO - especially in a time when anti-Semitic attacks are on the rise. Exactly. And I don't want to hear her false equivalences. Jewish people in her entertainment world have the luxury of playing a wide variety of Caucasian roles. Pacino has said he is full Sicilian. He can play a Jewish man just as Natalie Portman can play a non-Jewish character and no one would bat an eye.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 14:28:01 GMT
hilderic - It's clear to me that she's speaking about Europe in general terms (she's afraid of Neo-Nazis, yes, but feels that announcing she's Jewish in Europe puts her in a "box" with the broader population), but I am glad to hear that this perhaps isn't the case for everyone.
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Post by Barbie on Oct 22, 2021 3:22:10 GMT
I get her point but like this is a non-issue for Jewish people. IF Jewish people were underrepresented on screen, then I’d agree with her. But they are not. They’re a minority population that have a really good amount of representation on-screen, and that’s just on-screen. The “representation matters” thing is so tacky because with other minorities and poc, they still continue to be marginalized and portrayed negatively/stereotypically though that is slowly changing. There’s no UGLY history of non-Jewish people playing racist caricatures of Jewish people. That can’t be said for groups like East Asians for example.
For her to be like “strong female Jewish characters aren’t played by Jewish women” is so dumb. Like what about Fran Drescher in The Nanny for starters?
Lastly, even the term “jewface” that she used is kinda offensive to black people imo because blackface was and is a real problem
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Post by jakesully on Oct 22, 2021 5:20:29 GMT
I get her point but like this is a non-issue for Jewish people. IF Jewish people were underrepresented on screen, then I’d agree with her. But they are not. They’re a minority population that have a really good amount of representation on-screen, and that’s just on-screen. The “representation matters” thing is so tacky because with other minorities and poc, they still continue to be marginalized and portrayed negatively/stereotypically though that is slowly changing. There’s no UGLY history of non-Jewish people playing racist caricatures of Jewish people. That can’t be said for groups like East Asians for example. For her to be like “strong female Jewish characters aren’t played by Jewish women” is so dumb. Like what about Fran Drescher in The Nanny for starters? Lastly, even the term “jewface” that she used is kinda offensive to black people imo because blackface was and is a real problem Good point regarding Asian artists always getting disrespected, overlooked or just flat out ignored completely. I remember Warner Bros was in the process of making a live action remake of Akira (the Japanese manga classic) years ago and they cast Garrett Hedlund in the lead role of Kaneda I know it was supposed to take place in a futuristic NYC instead of Tokyo but still talk about being completely disrespectful and idiotic. A total slap in the face to Asians imo. Thankfully they never went forward with the white washed remake. Another example would be the card counting film 21. It was based on a true story about a group of MIT students (vast majority of the students were Asian) that were fleecing casinos with their card counting skills. The film however was completely white washed (only had like 1 Asian actor in it and he played the dorky side kick) I will say though that it appears that its been getting a bit better for Asian artists lately. Films are being made with more Asian representation (Parasite, Crazy Rich Asians, Shang Chi, Mulan, Minari, Snake Eyes, The Farewell, Searching, etc) here's hoping it continues to improve.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 26, 2021 13:10:28 GMT
I get her point but like this is a non-issue for Jewish people. IF Jewish people were underrepresented on screen, then I’d agree with her. But they are not. They’re a minority population that have a really good amount of representation on-screen, and that’s just on-screen. The “representation matters” thing is so tacky because with other minorities and poc, they still continue to be marginalized and portrayed negatively/stereotypically though that is slowly changing. There’s no UGLY history of non-Jewish people playing racist caricatures of Jewish people. That can’t be said for groups like East Asians for example. For her to be like “strong female Jewish characters aren’t played by Jewish women” is so dumb. Like what about Fran Drescher in The Nanny for starters? Lastly, even the term “jewface” that she used is kinda offensive to black people imo because blackface was and is a real problem Good point regarding Asian artists always getting disrespected, overlooked or just flat out ignored completely. I remember Warner Bros was in the process of making a live action remake of Akira (the Japanese manga classic) years ago and they cast Garrett Hedlund in the lead role of Kaneda I know it was supposed to take place in a futuristic NYC instead of Tokyo but still talk about being completely disrespectful and idiotic. A total slap in the face to Asians imo. Thankfully they never went forward with the white washed remake. Another example would be the card counting film 21. It was based on a true story about a group of MIT students (vast majority of the students were Asian) that were fleecing casinos with their card counting skills. The film however was completely white washed (only had like 1 Asian actor in it and he played the dorky side kick) I will say though that it appears that its been getting a bit better for Asian artists lately. Films are being made with more Asian representation (Parasite, Crazy Rich Asians, Shang Chi, Mulan, Minari, Snake Eyes, The Farewell, Searching, etc) here's hoping it continues to improve. The other thing that arent Many asían americans stars. You can import asían people, but at the end they Will return to their country. The Paycheck difference arent that Big, AND they can find better roles in their own countries, while American roles aré too stereotyped. The same happened to "latinos", they prefere doing spanish soaps in Miami, in where aré the main leads that supporting, stereotyped AND bad paíd in American movies AND series.
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Post by wattsnew on Oct 26, 2021 23:11:05 GMT
She’s absolutely right. Jewish people should play jewish characters, just like gay people should play gay characters, and deaf people should play deaf characters. There are no exceptions. It’s 2021, I’m tired of people acting like these sort of castings are acceptable. Thankfully the Joan Rivers projected was cancelled, I’d like to think they realized their mistake.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Oct 27, 2021 2:07:30 GMT
It appears Sarah is another person who doesn't know the difference between race and ethnicity. It's surprising to me that she as an American woman would be bringing this up. "Jewish" is thought of as a race in Europe, but not here. You're absolutely right mon ami. In France for instance , we talk about la race juive = "jewish race".And Jews are also regarded as people from "minorities" eventhough the biggest percentage of Jews in France comes from eastern european countries and therefore are white.And in french cinema or theater , they would most of the time automatically cast jewish actors to play jewish characters.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Oct 27, 2021 2:20:22 GMT
I thought the whole point of being an actor/actress was to be talented enough to play something other than yourself. So is the reverse true? Jewish actors now cannot play characters who are not Jewish? Sarah sounds bitter and miserable as fuck. Maybe she did secretly audition for the role but failed
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Oct 27, 2021 2:29:25 GMT
She’s absolutely right. Jewish people should play jewish characters, just like gay people should play gay characters, and deaf people should play deaf characters. There are no exceptions. It’s 2021, I’m tired of people acting like these sort of castings are acceptable. Thankfully the Joan Rivers projected was cancelled, I’d like to think they realized their mistake. And fictional serial killers should also be played by real life serial killers ! Yup ! #representationmatters
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Post by jakesully on Oct 27, 2021 3:55:14 GMT
She’s absolutely right. Jewish people should play jewish characters, just like gay people should play gay characters, and deaf people should play deaf characters. There are no exceptions. It’s 2021, I’m tired of people acting like these sort of castings are acceptable. Thankfully the Joan Rivers projected was cancelled, I’d like to think they realized their mistake.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Oct 27, 2021 4:27:45 GMT
She’s absolutely right. Jewish people should play jewish characters, just like gay people should play gay characters, and deaf people should play deaf characters. There are no exceptions. It’s 2021, I’m tired of people acting like these sort of castings are acceptable. Thankfully the Joan Rivers projected was cancelled, I’d like to think they realized their mistake. Are you proud of being the most braindead knee-jerk SJW twat on these boards?? It's a sin you are allowed to breathe the same air as me. You are a pathetic worthless waste of oxygen & mind. Naomi Watts would fucking DESPISE you and you're an insult to her good name. I'm sure she'd play a jew or a lesbian in a minute!! NOBODY agrees with you, you fucking imbecile!! NO ONE!! You are diseased from social media SJW propaganda. So you're saying Meryl Streep shouldn't have played like 50% of her roles?? Just pathetically laughable lunacy!! I insult a lot of people on these boards, but let me state something now without exception: You are, without a shadow of a doubt, the #1 dumbest, most braindead, most obnoxious, most pathetic, most WORTHLESS, and just overall single WORST member of these boards. Seriously, you make fucking hugobolso look like an intellectual! You are to SJW sheep what the Westboro Baptist Church is to jesusfreak fundamentalists. I think even most SJWs on here would be like "Da Fuh?". Also, you are DEFINITELY Dreamcatcher_Wolf from the other boards. I am almost certain of it now!! 🖕
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Post by Barbie on Oct 27, 2021 4:51:38 GMT
She’s absolutely right. Jewish people should play jewish characters, just like gay people should play gay characters, and deaf people should play deaf characters. There are no exceptions. It’s 2021, I’m tired of people acting like these sort of castings are acceptable. Thankfully the Joan Rivers projected was cancelled, I’d like to think they realized their mistake. NOBODY agrees with you, you fucking imbecile!! NO ONE!! You are diseased from social media SJW propaganda. So you're saying Meryl Streep shouldn't have played like 50% of her roles?? Just pathetically laughable lunacy!! I insult a lot of people on these boards, but let me state something now without exception: You are, without a shadow of a doubt, the dumbest, most braindead, most obnoxious, most pathetic, most WORTHLESS, and just overall #1 single WORST member of these boards. Seriously, you make fucking hugobolso look like an intellectual! You are to SJW sheep what the Westboro Baptist Church is to jesusfreak fundamentalists. I think even most SJWs on here would be like "Da Fuh?". Also, you are DEFINITELY Dreamcatcher_Wolf from the other boards. I am almost certain of it now!! 🤣🖕🤣 Remind me again who Dreamcatcher_Wolf was? That username sounds so familiar
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 27, 2021 6:06:46 GMT
She’s absolutely right. Jewish people should play jewish characters, just like gay people should play gay characters, and deaf people should play deaf characters. There are no exceptions. It’s 2021, I’m tired of people acting like these sort of castings are acceptable. Thankfully the Joan Rivers projected was cancelled, I’d like to think they realized their mistake. I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic. How people took this as real is baffling.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Oct 27, 2021 13:25:31 GMT
She’s absolutely right. Jewish people should play jewish characters, just like gay people should play gay characters, and deaf people should play deaf characters. There are no exceptions. It’s 2021, I’m tired of people acting like these sort of castings are acceptable. Thankfully the Joan Rivers projected was cancelled, I’d like to think they realized their mistake. I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic. How people took this as real is baffling. Look at this creature's posting history & you'll see you're giving it waaay too much credit. Her SJW-on-crack mentality is 100% in sync with that post non-sarcastically.
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Post by quetee on Oct 27, 2021 14:42:57 GMT
I thought the whole point of being an actor/actress was to be talented enough to play something other than yourself. So is the reverse true? Jewish actors now cannot play characters who are not Jewish? Sarah sounds bitter and miserable as fuck. Maybe she did secretly audition for the role but failed I think she's mad she wasn't asked.
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Post by quetee on Oct 27, 2021 14:45:38 GMT
She’s absolutely right. Jewish people should play jewish characters, just like gay people should play gay characters, and deaf people should play deaf characters. There are no exceptions. It’s 2021, I’m tired of people acting like these sort of castings are acceptable. Thankfully the Joan Rivers projected was cancelled, I’d like to think they realized their mistake. I can't remember which huge star it was but recently someone mentioned knowing a co-star was gay and he was in the closet and that she had no right to out him. So if there is still a stigma who would go along with this??
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Post by Miles Morales on Oct 27, 2021 14:46:27 GMT
She’s absolutely right. Jewish people should play jewish characters, just like gay people should play gay characters, and deaf people should play deaf characters. There are no exceptions. It’s 2021, I’m tired of people acting like these sort of castings are acceptable. Thankfully the Joan Rivers projected was cancelled, I’d like to think they realized their mistake. I can't remember which huge star it was but recently someone mentioned knowing a co-star was gay and he was in the closet and that she had no right to out him. So if there is still a stigma who would go along with this?? Kate Winslet was the one who said this.
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Post by quetee on Oct 27, 2021 14:47:37 GMT
I can't remember which huge star it was but recently someone mentioned knowing a co-star was gay and he was in the closet and that she had no right to out him. So if there is still a stigma who would go along with this?? Kate Winslet was the one who said this. Thanks.
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Post by jakesully on Oct 28, 2021 3:09:06 GMT
She’s absolutely right. Jewish people should play jewish characters, just like gay people should play gay characters, and deaf people should play deaf characters. There are no exceptions. It’s 2021, I’m tired of people acting like these sort of castings are acceptable. Thankfully the Joan Rivers projected was cancelled, I’d like to think they realized their mistake. I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic. How people took this as real is baffling. Sorry I fell for it. Sarcasm sometimes doesn't translate well over internet message boards for me at least but in my defense there are some posters (on this board or the old one that have said some really outlandish stuff over the years and were being 100% serious about it so you just never know these days lol
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 29, 2021 5:53:23 GMT
In the US, Jewish people are fully assimilated into white American culture ( I understand that this is not the case in Europe). I think her statements are only working to "other" Jewish people, which is dangerous IMO - especially in a time when anti-Semitic attacks are on the rise. In these days we are remembering the 100th anniversary of The Unknown Soldier being carried to the monumental grave in Rome (Altare della Patria). 20 bodies of soldiers that couldn't be identified were put in coffins and a mother of a missing soldier picked one as the son who had to be buried in the monumental grave. That lady was Jewish. So, in 1921 Italy didn't have the slightest antisemitic attitude nor "racism".
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 17, 2021 20:33:40 GMT
As a jew, as well asctiebreaker Seth Rogen, what she was doing Taming a voice job un a Santa's series.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 0:34:45 GMT
I have to say... I see her point having just seen Armageddon Time. Anthony Hopkins and Anne Hathaway are both stunningly miscast in that.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Oct 24, 2022 1:40:09 GMT
I have to say... I see her point having just seen Armageddon Time. Anthony Hopkins and Anne Hathaway are both stunningly miscast in that. I was wondering about that (still haven’t seen it). I legitimately thought Hopkins was supposed to be Strong’s father, and Hathaway’s character wasn’t Jewish.
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