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Post by jakesully on Oct 17, 2021 17:42:35 GMT
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 17, 2021 19:19:46 GMT
Don't let me start with Italians portrayed in movies.
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Post by stephen on Oct 17, 2021 19:21:47 GMT
Don't let me start with Italians portrayed in movies. I cannot wait until you see House of Gucci.
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Post by JangoB on Oct 17, 2021 22:36:56 GMT
Don't let me start with Italians portrayed in movies. Or Russians! BEAR VODKA BABUSHKA
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 17, 2021 22:49:32 GMT
Yentl tho
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Post by countjohn on Oct 18, 2021 0:06:36 GMT
Yeah, sorry, this is fucking stupid. When did Sarah Silverman of all people get so PC? Don't see the difference between this and generic white people playing Italians. In either case it's not even remotely comparable to black or yellowface. I'd get the issue if it was someone getting a prosthetic nose or frizzy wig but nothing wrong with playing a Jew and not altering your appearance, Jews can look like basically anything despite stereotypes.
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Post by michael128 on Oct 18, 2021 0:18:05 GMT
Good for her
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Post by stephen on Oct 18, 2021 0:19:35 GMT
Yeah, sorry, this is fucking stupid. When did Sarah Silverman of all people get so PC? Don't see the difference between this and generic white people playing Italians. In either case it's not even remotely comparable to black or yellowface. I'd get the issue if it was someone getting a prosthetic nose or frizzy wig but nothing wrong with playing a Jew and not altering your appearance, Jews can look like basically anything despite stereotypes. I think that while Silverman obviously doesn't have a leg to stand on as it pertains to her own history of cultural insensitivity, she does have a point. With Jewish people, it's not only about the appearance (although, of course, she does note that in her criticism) but in the portrayal of them, often in terms of being neurotic and nebbishy. It's very easy to call to mind a stereotype. It doesn't help that a lot of those projects tend to really go overboard on playing on the same general tropes. And yes, even though externally it's not as apparent as blackface or yellowface, there is still a cultural aspect to portraying those roles that could (and ideally should) be played by people who understand that culture. Of course, critics will obviously slam back with "well, where does it stop, then? Italian actors playing Hispanic? Spanish actors playing Arabs? How will Cliff Curtis work again?" And the answer is that, ultimately, we live in an era where inclusion and opportunity is being given priority. Right now, people do have to raise the question and commit towards trying to cast roles where ethnicity and culture are a critical focus and start looking at performers can best represent those communities. It may mean taking risks in the casting department, but those risks can sometimes pay off massively, and at least you're making an effort to casting a wider net than just going for perceived bankability. Movie stars are becoming increasingly obsolete nowadays as we drift more towards IP importance, so why not go for broke?
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 18, 2021 1:29:23 GMT
Preposterous anti-Art nonsense
Using Sarah Silverman's logic our leading Jewish actor - Al Pacino - shouldn't have played Roy Cohn, Phil Spector, Lowell Bergman, Arthur Kirklyn or Shylock.
Although in his case, he's also our leading Hispanic actor and shouldn't have played Carlito Brigante and Tony Montana.
Although in his case he is also our leading gay / bisexual actor and shouldn't have played - Dog Day Afternoon, Angels in America (and more actually).
Hopefully he'll be good in House of Gucci and make a convincing Italian too since that's all he "should" play
The world is currently a horrifying and dumbass woke nightmare .........
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Post by jakesully on Oct 18, 2021 14:05:13 GMT
Yeah, sorry, this is fucking stupid. When did Sarah Silverman of all people get so PC? Don't see the difference between this and generic white people playing Italians. In either case it's not even remotely comparable to black or yellowface. I'd get the issue if it was someone getting a prosthetic nose or frizzy wig but nothing wrong with playing a Jew and not altering your appearance, Jews can look like basically anything despite stereotypes. I think that while Silverman obviously doesn't have a leg to stand on as it pertains to her own history of cultural insensitivity, she does have a point. With Jewish people, it's not only about the appearance (although, of course, she does note that in her criticism) but in the portrayal of them, often in terms of being neurotic and nebbishy. It's very easy to call to mind a stereotype. It doesn't help that a lot of those projects tend to really go overboard on playing on the same general tropes. And yes, even though externally it's not as apparent as blackface or yellowface, there is still a cultural aspect to portraying those roles that could (and ideally should) be played by people who understand that culture. Of course, critics will obviously slam back with "well, where does it stop, then? Italian actors playing Hispanic? Spanish actors playing Arabs? How will Cliff Curtis work again?" And the answer is that, ultimately, we live in an era where inclusion and opportunity is being given priority. Right now, people do have to raise the question and commit towards trying to cast roles where ethnicity and culture are a critical focus and start looking at performers can best represent those communities. It may mean taking risks in the casting department, but those risks can sometimes pay off massively, and at least you're making an effort to casting a wider net than just going for perceived bankability. Movie stars are becoming increasingly obsolete nowadays as we drift more towards IP importance, so why not go for broke? Could you list some examples of non Jewish actors playing Jews? IMO it seems to be quite rare and not some big problem (like Sarah Silverman is alluding to) Off the top of my head all I can think of is Oscar Isaac in Inside Llewyn Davis (hand picked by the Coen brothers who are Jewish) and Eric Bana in Munich (hand picked by Steven Spielberg who is Jewish) Woody Allen, Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David (who are all Jewish actors) portray their characters the way they want to (normally neurotic) I don't think Sarah Silverman makes a good point at all here. She comes across lacking any sort of self awareness imo.
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Post by stephen on Oct 18, 2021 14:37:04 GMT
I think that while Silverman obviously doesn't have a leg to stand on as it pertains to her own history of cultural insensitivity, she does have a point. With Jewish people, it's not only about the appearance (although, of course, she does note that in her criticism) but in the portrayal of them, often in terms of being neurotic and nebbishy. It's very easy to call to mind a stereotype. It doesn't help that a lot of those projects tend to really go overboard on playing on the same general tropes. And yes, even though externally it's not as apparent as blackface or yellowface, there is still a cultural aspect to portraying those roles that could (and ideally should) be played by people who understand that culture. Of course, critics will obviously slam back with "well, where does it stop, then? Italian actors playing Hispanic? Spanish actors playing Arabs? How will Cliff Curtis work again?" And the answer is that, ultimately, we live in an era where inclusion and opportunity is being given priority. Right now, people do have to raise the question and commit towards trying to cast roles where ethnicity and culture are a critical focus and start looking at performers can best represent those communities. It may mean taking risks in the casting department, but those risks can sometimes pay off massively, and at least you're making an effort to casting a wider net than just going for perceived bankability. Movie stars are becoming increasingly obsolete nowadays as we drift more towards IP importance, so why not go for broke? Could you list some examples of non Jewish actors playing Jews? IMO it seems to be quite rare and not some big problem (like Sarah Silverman is alluding to) Off the top of my head all I can think of is Oscar Isaac in Inside Llewyn Davis (hand picked by the Coen brothers who are Jewish) and Eric Bana in Munich (hand picked by Steven Spielberg who is Jewish) Woody Allen, Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David (who are all Jewish actors) portray their characters the way they want to (normally neurotic) I don't think Sarah Silverman makes a good point at all here. She comes across lacking any sort of self awareness imo. I mean, Silverman listed several in her interview, and the likes of Pacino, Streep, and De Niro have all done it as well.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Oct 18, 2021 14:47:55 GMT
Oh honeys, it's never bothered Woody Allen, when you think of the whole slew of non Jewish actors from Kenneth Branagh to Timothée Chalamet doing their best Allen impersonations in his movies.
When will this PC nonsense stop? I'm just waiting now for the day I'm refused my next shot of Tequila for reasons of cultural appropriation inebriation... but they wouldn't dare!
Fuck Sarah Silverman!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 14:49:04 GMT
In the US, Jewish people are fully assimilated into white American culture (I understand that this is not the case in Europe). I think her statements are only working to "other" Jewish people, which is dangerous IMO - especially in a time when anti-Semitic attacks are on the rise.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Oct 18, 2021 15:04:14 GMT
Yeah, sorry, this is fucking stupid. When did Sarah Silverman of all people get so PC? Don't see the difference between this and generic white people playing Italians. In either case it's not even remotely comparable to black or yellowface. I'd get the issue if it was someone getting a prosthetic nose or frizzy wig but nothing wrong with playing a Jew and not altering your appearance, Jews can look like basically anything despite stereotypes. I think that while Silverman obviously doesn't have a leg to stand on as it pertains to her own history of cultural insensitivity, she does have a point. With Jewish people, it's not only about the appearance (although, of course, she does note that in her criticism) but in the portrayal of them, often in terms of being neurotic and nebbishy. It's very easy to call to mind a stereotype. It doesn't help that a lot of those projects tend to really go overboard on playing on the same general tropes. And yes, even though externally it's not as apparent as blackface or yellowface, there is still a cultural aspect to portraying those roles that could (and ideally should) be played by people who understand that culture. Of course, critics will obviously slam back with "well, where does it stop, then? Italian actors playing Hispanic? Spanish actors playing Arabs? How will Cliff Curtis work again?" And the answer is that, ultimately, we live in an era where inclusion and opportunity is being given priority. Right now, people do have to raise the question and commit towards trying to cast roles where ethnicity and culture are a critical focus and start looking at performers can best represent those communities. It may mean taking risks in the casting department, but those risks can sometimes pay off massively, and at least you're making an effort to casting a wider net than just going for perceived bankability. Movie stars are becoming increasingly obsolete nowadays as we drift more towards IP importance, so why not go for broke? You couldn't be more WRONG if you tried. What else is new?? Anyone who gives a fuck if a non-jewish plays Jewish is someone with too much free fucking time on their hands. There are TONS of Jewish actors, and many of them OFTEN play non-jews too (ScarJo, Portman, Michael Douglas, the list is endless). So is this wrong?? PUH-LEEZE!! She doesn't have a point & neither do you. Just playing devil's advocate for the worst most putrid kind of SJW fanaticism.
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Post by quetee on Oct 18, 2021 15:37:42 GMT
It appears Sarah is another person who doesn't know the difference between race and ethnicity.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 18, 2021 15:40:09 GMT
How many jewish people have portrayed Nuns and Priest, and just in Hollywood? How many jewish portrayed latinos? how many jewish portayed wasps?
I can understand her, if a gentile portrays a rabbi, or an orthodox jews, maybe, they is better to hire a jew that was educated in the orthodox faith, or has an orthodox family for the character development.
But Joan Rivers and Ruth Bader Ginsburg don't look like very religious people.-
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 15:47:06 GMT
It appears Sarah is another person who doesn't know the difference between race and ethnicity. It's surprising to me that she as an American woman would be bringing this up. "Jewish" is thought of as a race in Europe, but not here.
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 18, 2021 15:48:24 GMT
It appears Sarah is another person who doesn't know the difference between race and ethnicity. It's surprising to me that she as an American woman would be bringing this up. "Jewish" is thought of as a race in Europe, but not here. And beyond that she is atheist!!! I could understand her (not agree but understand) if she was an orthodox jew, that claim that only orthodox jews could portray jewish, and that's desrespectful to be portray by christians or whatever.- Any way she works too hard for roles that Parkey Posey turnes down.-
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Post by quetee on Oct 18, 2021 15:56:04 GMT
It appears Sarah is another person who doesn't know the difference between race and ethnicity. It's surprising to me that she as an American woman would be bringing this up. "Jewish" is thought of as a race in Europe, but not here. she's acting like they hired Viola.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Oct 18, 2021 16:06:33 GMT
Could you list some examples of non Jewish actors playing Jews? IMO it seems to be quite rare and not some big problem (like Sarah Silverman is alluding to) Off the top of my head all I can think of is Oscar Isaac in Inside Llewyn Davis (hand picked by the Coen brothers who are Jewish) and Eric Bana in Munich (hand picked by Steven Spielberg who is Jewish) Woody Allen, Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David (who are all Jewish actors) portray their characters the way they want to (normally neurotic) I don't think Sarah Silverman makes a good point at all here. She comes across lacking any sort of self awareness imo. I mean, Silverman listed several in her interview, and the likes of Pacino, Streep, and De Niro have all done it as well. So, what you're saying (even if you don't realize it, and I suspect you do), is that for the sake of PC virtue-signaling, only actors who are the same exact ethnicity as the character should be allowed to play those parts?? So Benicio Del Toro and Jennifer Lopez can't play caucasian Americans anymore (they've both done it several times)?? And Pacino/DeNiro can only play Italian?? And GOD FORBID that perennial racist Meryl Streep dare play Italian/Jewish or any other ethnicity that isn't WASP. Your comment, at first glance, is the most INSANE, irrational, outrageous, disingenuous, and yes, ANTI-ART reactionary load of bull I have ever ever EVER heard on these boards. And that's nothing to be proud of. As a Puerto Rican actor who speaks perfect accent-less english & physically could easily pass for Caucasian, I take great personal offense at the suggestion that a PC culture where all I can play is Latino parts, and vice versa, is what a socially conscious society should strive for. I don't have enough middle fingers for you OR Silverman. 🖕🤦♂️🖕
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 18, 2021 16:20:11 GMT
I mean, Silverman listed several in her interview, and the likes of Pacino, Streep, and De Niro have all done it as well. So, what you're saying (even if you don't realize it, and I suspect you do), is that for the sake of PC virtue-signaling, only actors who are the same exact ethnicity as the character should be allowed to play those parts?? So Benicio Del Toro and Jennifer Lopez can't play caucasian Americans anymore (they've both done it several times)?? And Pacino/DeNiro can only play Italian?? And GOD FORBID that perennial racist Meryl Streep dare play Italian/Jewish or any other ethnicity that isn't WASP. Your comment, at first glance, is the most INSANE, irrational, outrageous, disingenuous, and yes, ANTI-ART reactionary load of bull I have ever ever EVER heard on these boards. And that's nothing to be proud of. As a Puerto Rican actor who speaks perfect accent-less english & physically could easily pass for Caucasian, I take great personal offense at the suggestion that a PC culture where all I can play is Latin parts, and vice versa, is what a socially conscious society should strive for. I don't have enough middle fingers for you OR Silverman. 🖕🤦♂️🖕 Totally agree. I understand that a Brittish actor portraying a latin (I write Latin not latino, that includes not only latinamerican but also spaniards, portuguese, french and italians) usually don't work. But a latino could symbiotic portray a french, and italian (if they have the look), portuguese or spaniard much better than a Brittish. The Perfect case was the great Puerto Ricanean actor Jose Ferrer, who was Oscar nominated for portaying french rich noble men.- We have several things something in common, maybe the costoms, the meal, history, I don't know, that are easier for us than from a british actors from the LAMDA.-
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Post by hilderic on Oct 18, 2021 19:54:21 GMT
In the US, Jewish people are fully assimilated into white American culture ( I understand that this is not the case in Europe). I think her statements are only working to "other" Jewish people, which is dangerous IMO - especially in a time when anti-Semitic attacks are on the rise. I'm not sure what you mean by this. I'd never regard Daniel Day-Lewis and Rachel Weisz as being culturally different from Anthony Hopkins and Kate Winslet. Are you referring to Haredi Jews?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 20:19:42 GMT
In the US, Jewish people are fully assimilated into white American culture ( I understand that this is not the case in Europe). I think her statements are only working to "other" Jewish people, which is dangerous IMO - especially in a time when anti-Semitic attacks are on the rise. I'm not sure what you mean by this. I'd never regard Daniel Day-Lewis and Rachel Weisz as being culturally different from Anthony Hopkins and Kate Winslet. Are you referring to Haredi Jews? No, I mean Continental Europe. You know, where the Holocaust happened.
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Post by hilderic on Oct 18, 2021 20:34:21 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean by this. I'd never regard Daniel Day-Lewis and Rachel Weisz as being culturally different from Anthony Hopkins and Kate Winslet. Are you referring to Haredi Jews? No, I mean Continental Europe. You know, where the Holocaust happened. I was born and raised in Continental Europe. You wrote "this is not the case", not "this was not the case", so I naturally thought you meant now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2021 20:57:40 GMT
No, I mean Continental Europe. You know, where the Holocaust happened. I was born and raised in Continental Europe. You wrote "this is not the case", not "this was not the case", so I naturally thought you meant now. Deborah Feldman, the author of Unorthodox - born and raised in New York but lives in Berlin now - watch this at the 10:00 mark - this is still an issue in Europe.
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