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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 6, 2021 15:38:07 GMT
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Post by Miles Morales on Aug 6, 2021 17:09:11 GMT
Major comedown from the first film, though it's understandable given that the first film had a massive marketing campaign and the pandemic is still raging on, not to mention the film being available to stream on HBO Max.
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Post by LaraQ on Aug 6, 2021 19:24:56 GMT
Even with it being available on HBO Max,30M seems like a pretty disappointing number,particularly given how great the reviews have been.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 6, 2021 19:31:49 GMT
Even with it being available on HBO Max,30M seems like a pretty disappointing number,particularly given how great the reviews have been. It is a very disappointing number context and review wise, but the movie had a lot of factors going against it, not the least of which is that while the original Suicide Squad opened huge thanks to a terrific marketing campaign, it also didn't seem to age particularly well among the general public. That and WB's completely mishandling of their DC properties was probably eventually going to bite them in the ass, just sad to see it hurting a movie as supposedly good as The Suicide Squad. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 6, 2021 22:17:01 GMT
Even with it being available on HBO Max,30M seems like a pretty disappointing number,particularly given how great the reviews have been. It is a very disappointing number context and review wise, but the movie had a lot of factors going against it, not the least of which is that while the original Suicide Squad opened huge thanks to a terrific marketing campaign, it also didn't seem to age particularly well among the general public. That and WB's completely mishandling of their DC properties was probably eventually going to bite them in the ass, just sad to see it hurting a movie as supposedly good as The Suicide Squad. The original film also had two huge factors going for it that helped it's box office. Will Smith, who remains a huge draw in the right role/project and Joker ( Jared Leto's performance might not have been universally loved in that film, but the character itself is probably the most popular and marketable comic book/movie villain of all time). |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 6, 2021 23:58:44 GMT
It is a very disappointing number context and review wise, but the movie had a lot of factors going against it, not the least of which is that while the original Suicide Squad opened huge thanks to a terrific marketing campaign, it also didn't seem to age particularly well among the general public. That and WB's completely mishandling of their DC properties was probably eventually going to bite them in the ass, just sad to see it hurting a movie as supposedly good as The Suicide Squad. The original film also had two huge factors going for it that helped it's box office. Will Smith, who remains a huge draw in the right role/project and Joker ( Jared Leto's performance might not have been universally loved in that film, but the character itself is probably the most popular and marketable comic book/movie villain of all time). Yeah, and this film lacks both, which alongside the COVID / HBO Max issue, no doubt contributed to its rather large drop. The original films marketing was up and front about The Joker's role before the final cut was even made. There's nothing like that in this film. The first trailer for Suicide Squad was darn brilliant, to the point where they had the trailer editors come and cut the movie, so at to attempt to sell it more like the tone of the original teaser, when the original cut was apparently more somber. Plus, as overused as it is, using Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody is gonna get a lot of eyeballs thrown at it. It makes thr promos for the 2021's film, look more laid back in comparison. |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Aug 7, 2021 0:36:44 GMT
Wonder if they should’ve waited until Smith’s schedule opened up so he could return..unless the WB/Gunn just did not want him back?
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Post by stephen on Aug 7, 2021 0:56:14 GMT
Wonder if they should’ve waited until Smith’s schedule opened up so he could return..unless the WB/Gunn just did not want him back? I really get the impression that they didn't want him back. I think a lot of the issues with the original film is that it tried too hard to be a Will Smith vehicle and an irreverent, cartoonishly violent ensemble piece, and the two just don't mesh well. Will Smith is bankable and the original Suicide Squad was profitable, and yes, money talks and bullshit walks, but WB seems to be looking to net a big commercial and critical success like Wonder Woman was, and Deadshot was never really the appeal of the first film despite being played by one of the biggest movie stars in the last few decades. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 7, 2021 15:21:52 GMT
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Post by LaraQ on Aug 7, 2021 16:46:42 GMT
That's a real shame.I've just finished watching this and it was an absolute blast.I loved it and I wish it was doing better.  |
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 7, 2021 17:41:49 GMT
Wonder if they should’ve waited until Smith’s schedule opened up so he could return..unless the WB/Gunn just did not want him back? I really get the impression that they didn't want him back. I think a lot of the issues with the original film is that it tried too hard to be a Will Smith vehicle and an irreverent, cartoonishly violent ensemble piece, and the two just don't mesh well. Will Smith is bankable and the original Suicide Squad was profitable, and yes, money talks and bullshit walks, but WB seems to be looking to net a big commercial and critical success like Wonder Woman was, and Deadshot was never really the appeal of the first film despite being played by one of the biggest movie stars in the last few decades. Nah, people keep underselling the current appeal of Will Smith around these parts because every single film of his isn't a box office smash like it was in his absolute prime. But the dude is still a massive, massive draw if the project plays in the wheelhouse audiences love him for. Suicide Squad, Aladdin and Bad Boys 3 were all massive hits, in part because he was in them. No Big Willy (sorry, but Idris Elba is not a substitute for his starpower and Margo Robbie isn't the big draw Hollywood wishes her to be) and you see how the sequel is performing. He was obviously a big part of the appeal in selling the original film. Smith was probably the best thing about the original film, performance wise . Dropping him from the sequels, from a commercial perspective, was probably a huge mistake. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 7, 2021 17:54:15 GMT
I really get the impression that they didn't want him back. I think a lot of the issues with the original film is that it tried too hard to be a Will Smith vehicle and an irreverent, cartoonishly violent ensemble piece, and the two just don't mesh well. Will Smith is bankable and the original Suicide Squad was profitable, and yes, money talks and bullshit walks, but WB seems to be looking to net a big commercial and critical success like Wonder Woman was, and Deadshot was never really the appeal of the first film despite being played by one of the biggest movie stars in the last few decades. Nah, people keep underselling the current appeal of Will Smith around these parts because every single film of his isn't a box office smash like it was in his absolute prime. But the dude is still a massive, massive draw if the project plays in the wheelhouse audiences love him for. Suicide Squad, Aladdin and Bad Boys 3 were all massive hits, in part because he was in them. No Big Willy (sorry, but Idris Elba is not a substitute for his starpower and Margo Robbie isn't the big draw Hollywood wishes her to be) and you see how the sequel is performing. He was obviously a big part of the appeal in selling the original film. Smith was probably the best thing about the original film, performance wise . Dropping him from the sequels, from a commercial perspective, was probably a huge mistake. I also get the impression that Smith himself wasn't much interested in returning. Like he clearly had other commitments, and roles he wanted to do like King Richard, and thus didn't want to put on the Deadshot costume again. Plus, that and the fact that the movie was a weird quasi-remake of sorts, where they only retained the barest elements from the original movie. I say if they had brought him back, the movie would have at least opened with well over 30m, which while still not great, would have at least made its numbers look better. |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Aug 7, 2021 18:15:57 GMT
I really get the impression that they didn't want him back. I think a lot of the issues with the original film is that it tried too hard to be a Will Smith vehicle and an irreverent, cartoonishly violent ensemble piece, and the two just don't mesh well. Will Smith is bankable and the original Suicide Squad was profitable, and yes, money talks and bullshit walks, but WB seems to be looking to net a big commercial and critical success like Wonder Woman was, and Deadshot was never really the appeal of the first film despite being played by one of the biggest movie stars in the last few decades. Nah, people keep underselling the current appeal of Will Smith around these parts because every single film of his isn't a box office smash like it was in his absolute prime. But the dude is still a massive, massive draw if the project plays in the wheelhouse audiences love him for. Suicide Squad, Aladdin and Bad Boys 3 were all massive hits, in part because he was in them. No Big Willy (sorry, but Idris Elba is not a substitute for his starpower and Margo Robbie isn't the big draw Hollywood wishes her to be) and you see how the sequel is performing. He was obviously a big part of the appeal in selling the original film. Smith was probably the best thing about the original film, performance wise . Dropping him from the sequels, from a commercial perspective, was probably a huge mistake. Yeah in the right vehicle Smith is still a very huge draw. Those films you listed were triumphs for him..especially Bad Boys III which did great box office considering it was a sequel from a film two decades ago. Studio were probably surprised the franchise was still strong and popular..also helps that you make a good movie too but yeah Smith is still very popular..just look at the views for the King Richard trailer. Whatever qualms people may have about his wife and family, audiences still like him as a movie star and will go to see him if the vehicle is right. Always going to have that likability factor and has enough charisma and screen presence to go around. I think Gunn and WB made a mistake not bringing him back. I love Idris but he ain’t no Will Smith. If Smith didn’t want to come back like thereslcomicman thinks than that makes sense as well..but yeah it’s hard to replace bonafide A-List stars so easily. |
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Post by countjohn on Aug 7, 2021 18:56:46 GMT
I also get the impression that Smith himself wasn't much interested in returning. If I recall I saw something where Smith alluded to it being his decision not to come back. Aside from Men in Black and Bad Boys, where there were big gaps between movies, Smith has been pretty sequel averse as well. A bunch of those hit sci-fi action movies he did could have easily been turned into franchises back in the day but he always wanted to move on to something else. Smith and the Joker were definitely why the first film made so much money. Not sure what they were expecting with a bunch of characters most people haven't heard of and no real stars. The marketing also really overplayed the "tasteless" thing to me and really put me off the movie, which may have happened with other people as well. Haven't seen the movie but it does seem like almost everybody who sees it seems to like it. |
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Post by quetee on Aug 7, 2021 22:58:46 GMT
Why can't WB wait 30 days and then put it on HBO Max?
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 8, 2021 0:43:08 GMT
Why can't WB wait 30 days and then put it on HBO Max? It's part of their HBO Max / theater deal. I'm sure the movies only in theaters and streaming simultaneously, was an attempt to boost Max subscribers, but I agree they should have gone more the Disney route and waited a couple of weeks before releasing the movies for free on the service, because so far, it's been a mixed blessing. Some of those movies have opened well, and or been affected by the service, but also all of them have dropped harshly in their second weekend, and the end results may have hurt cinemas more then they helped. Basically, I don't think it's been working out as well as they hoped. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 8, 2021 15:40:55 GMT
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Post by sirchuck23 on Aug 8, 2021 21:38:40 GMT
People may hate M. Night, but sometimes he knows what he's doing. You could say..he has a Sixth Sense. 
Not a good OW for Suicide Squad.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 8, 2021 21:44:26 GMT
People may hate M. Night, but sometimes he knows what he's doing. You could say..he has a Sixth Sense.
Not a good OW for Suicide Squad.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Aug 8, 2021 21:57:40 GMT
You could say..he has a Sixth Sense.
Not a good OW for Suicide Squad.
He's unbreakable at the box office.
The signs were all there his movie would do fine.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 8, 2021 22:22:17 GMT
He's unbreakable at the box office.
The signs were all there his movie would do fine.
He just needed to get out of the Village, and make some of that Happening (lol, love this). |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Aug 8, 2021 22:49:00 GMT
The signs were all there his movie would do fine.
He just needed to get out of the Village, and make some of that Happening (lol, love this). And now..once again he has a film out in theaters that have audiences and critics split on its quality. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 8, 2021 23:01:26 GMT
He just needed to get out of the Village, and make some of that Happening (lol, love this). And now..once again he has a film out in theaters that have audiences and critics split on its quality. And Shymalan's Wide Awake and well-aware of it, too (very very obscure M. Night reference). |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Aug 8, 2021 23:04:33 GMT
Will Smith wouldn’t have added much to the box office imo. Too much to overcome being rated R, having the delta variant rising rapidly, and having this available to stream from home. Not a combination for a large BO return.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Aug 8, 2021 23:13:32 GMT
And now..once again he has a film out in theaters that have audiences and critics split on its quality. And Shymalan's Wide Awake and well-aware of it, too (very very obscure M. Night reference). This gag might be getting Old... |
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