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Post by speeders on Sept 21, 2021 21:07:04 GMT
It's a lot of fun.
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Post by quetee on Sept 21, 2021 21:11:43 GMT
After watching last night, my guess is that Angel is... Teddy's son (Nathan Lane)
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Post by speeders on Sept 21, 2021 21:20:20 GMT
After watching last night, my guess is that Angel is... Teddy's son (Nathan Lane) Yes, I think the killer is either him (the deaf son) but it's possible it's a red herring and it's Amy Ryan's character. I mean she is billed as a regular and has had like 2-3 scenes tops in 6 episodes. Since the first teaser I've suspected her and I'm not stopping now
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Post by quetee on Sept 21, 2021 22:15:26 GMT
After watching last night, my guess is that Angel is... Teddy's son (Nathan Lane) Yes, I think the killer is either him (the deaf son) but it's possible it's a red herring and it's Amy Ryan's character. I mean she is billed as a regular and has had like 2-3 scenes tops in 6 episodes. Since the first teaser I've suspected her and I'm not stopping now did you read my theory above about whom I think she is?
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Post by speeders on Sept 22, 2021 0:26:45 GMT
Yes, I think the killer is either him (the deaf son) but it's possible it's a red herring and it's Amy Ryan's character. I mean she is billed as a regular and has had like 2-3 scenes tops in 6 episodes. Since the first teaser I've suspected her and I'm not stopping now did you read my theory above about whom I think she is? I did. Did she talk about a half-sister? Because I don't remember that, must've not have been paying attention to that bit.
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Post by quetee on Sept 22, 2021 0:54:49 GMT
did you read my theory above about whom I think she is? I did. Did she talk about a half-sister? Because I don't remember that, must've not have been paying attention to that bit. Yes, dinner date
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 17, 2021 22:29:39 GMT
Finale Tuesday so messy prediction time : Despite the latest with Jan and the bassoon brush - it ain't her. Zoe may well be her half-sister, and she may have made some angles, but she ain't a killer. And it ain't Nathan Lane either tho he factors into it. Once they clear Jan, it'll dawn on them the Superintendent is the only one with multiple room access - he seemed firmly against his son mixing with the old friends that betrayed him, and it follows the parental theme of the show (Lane protecting his child, the Martins essentially losing theirs). But it ain't him either! It's Tie-Dye Guy, his son, who's either using his dad's keys or has the copied-keys they all used as kids. (Maybe his father tried to help 'clean his mess' a bit or maybe not.)
As the detective stresses: what's the Why Now. Tie Dye just released from wrongful prison time says hello. So I think he showed up to confront Kono and forces him to take poison as "suicide" - revenge! - but doesn't prepare for: Kono shooting himself. That's why he turns back, after pulling the fire alarm (fingerprints there ?) - to "reprepare" the scene. Kono shoots himself, as he's dying already, hoping that his death'll look suspicious causing the police (or Mabel's old Hardy ways) to look into him and find out about Nathan Lane's skullduggery and, y'know, his own murder. And once they look for Tie Dye they'll find him dead, like the opening scene, setting up s2.
Then again. Tho it makes the most sense to me and "Tie Dye Guy" is their first and pretty damning clue (trust the gut), it could be anybody...... It's half a comedy after all and there may be a punchline reveal or push that plural title. I've also been suspicious of Mabel from the beginning, she's just been so unnecessarily secretive!
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Post by quetee on Oct 18, 2021 16:35:08 GMT
My theory before the finale: Jan and Tim were dating. Upon finding the ring, Tim broke thing off with Jan. The first time we met Tim, he was leaving Jan's apartment on the 6th floor. Jan was so upset over Tim dumping her that she decided that she no longer wanted to live. By accident(not sure of this part but going with it) Tim drank the poison. Later on, Jan realized what happened and went to Tim's to stage his suicide. Tim bought the engagement ring for Mabel.
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Post by speeders on Oct 19, 2021 2:24:42 GMT
Finale Tuesday so messy prediction time : Despite the latest with Jan and the bassoon brush - it ain't her. Zoe may well be her half-sister, and she may have made some angles, but she ain't a killer. And it ain't Nathan Lane either tho he factors into it. Once they clear Jan, it'll dawn on them the Superintendent is the only one with multiple room access - he seemed firmly against his son mixing with the old friends that betrayed him, and it follows the parental theme of the show (Lane protecting his child, the Martins essentially losing theirs). But it ain't him either! It's Tie-Dye Guy, his son, who's either using his dad's keys or has the copied-keys they all used as kids. (Maybe his father tried to help 'clean his mess' a bit or maybe not.)
As the detective stresses: what's the Why Now. Tie Dye just released from wrongful prison time says hello. So I think he showed up to confront Kono and forces him to take poison as "suicide" - revenge! - but doesn't prepare for: Kono shooting himself. That's why he turns back, after pulling the fire alarm (fingerprints there ?) - to "reprepare" the scene. Kono shoots himself, as he's dying already, hoping that his death'll look suspicious causing the police (or Mabel's old Hardy ways) to look into him and find out about Nathan Lane's skullduggery and, y'know, his own murder. And once they look for Tie Dye they'll find him dead, like the opening scene, setting up s2.
Then again. Tho it makes the most sense to me and "Tie Dye Guy" is their first and pretty damning clue (trust the gut), it could be anybody...... It's half a comedy after all and there may be a punchline reveal or push that plural title. I've also been suspicious of Mabel from the beginning, she's just been so unnecessarily secretive! Yeah I've gone from predicting Jan since the first teaser to suspecting it's Oscar/Tie-Dye Guy after all even though Jan looks confirmed. I think she's another red herring and the motive seemed very tacked on. It being Oscar makes more sense in context to the opening scene too and would fit the killer's motive more.
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Post by thomasjerome on Oct 19, 2021 11:28:12 GMT
Somewhat predictable finale but can't complain, it was a great ride overall and a hilarious episode. Both Martins deserve some Emmy love. Looking forward to the season two already.
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 19, 2021 16:07:32 GMT
I knew it !! Hulu would pick Jan. What exactly was her motive(s) again? Just being your local murderer between second-chair bassooning? Anyway this thread was onto her earlier than many even tho she seemed too sweet and too good for Steve Martin for them to blast her. Enjoyable show with a revelatory, very hilarious Martin Short who may have given a career best perf?? It's his first star-size movie role in 17 years? and at 71..... he's as motoring and alert as ever with pin-tight timing.
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Post by quetee on Oct 21, 2021 0:53:49 GMT
I enjoyed the show, I'm glad there's a second season.
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Post by Pavan on Oct 21, 2021 20:08:31 GMT
It's a fun show with an interesting premise, setting and tone but it's not very compelling. Something's amiss. The main trio is what sells it and not the storytelling. Martin Short is the MVP. Cool costumes too.
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Post by Viced on Oct 28, 2021 1:02:51 GMT
Nearly a great season... but let's face it, that conclusion (both the murderer reveal and the shameless season 2 set-up) SUCKED. The idea of Jan as the killer was great... I predicted she stabbed herself the moment it happened, and once she wanted in on the podcast I was almost positive she was guilty... but she murdered Tim because... he dumped her? LOL. Her bumping off the 1st chair bassoon prodigy would've been a lot of fun and at least made some sense.
And the season ending with the celebration on the roof would've been so perfectly sweet. I'm intrigued by where next season will go of course, but they should've saved the final sequence for the opener. But outside of that, enjoyed it quite a bit. Equally hilarious and engrossing... and tries more interesting things than I would've expected (the dialogue-free episode, while maybe unnecessarily gimmicky, still worked). Martin Short is pitch perfect (one of the funniest performances in recent years), Steve Martin is maybe 50% as good (which means he's amazing)...... but... Selena Gomez . The idea of pairing her with the two comedy legends is perfect, and it still works amazingly well... but why doesn't she move her mouth or face when she talks? Seemed like she was playing a so-so ventriloquist with every flat line delivery.
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Post by stinkybritches on Nov 4, 2021 19:56:20 GMT
Nearly a great season... but let's face it, that conclusion (both the murderer reveal and the shameless season 2 set-up) SUCKED. The idea of Jan as the killer was great... I predicted she stabbed herself the moment it happened, and once she wanted in on the podcast I was almost positive she was guilty... but she murdered Tim because... he dumped her? LOL. Her bumping off the 1st chair bassoon prodigy would've been a lot of fun and at least made some sense.
And the season ending with the celebration on the roof would've been so perfectly sweet. I'm intrigued by where next season will go of course, but they should've saved the final sequence for the opener. But outside of that, enjoyed it quite a bit. Equally hilarious and engrossing... and tries more interesting things than I would've expected (the dialogue-free episode, while maybe unnecessarily gimmicky, still worked). Martin Short is pitch perfect (one of the funniest performances in recent years), Steve Martin is maybe 50% as good (which means he's amazing)...... but... Selena Gomez . The idea of pairing her with the two comedy legends is perfect, and it still works amazingly well... but why doesn't she move her mouth or face when she talks? Seemed like she was playing a so-so ventriloquist with every flat line delivery. Yeah that was my biggest takeaway from this show…what the hell was up with the way Selena Gomez talked in this? Just a weird character choice or is that how Gomez typically speaks these days? (the only other recent thing I’ve seen her in was The Dead Don’t Die, though I honestly don’t remember her much from that). So flat, so monotone, so blah.
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Post by Mattsby on Jan 13, 2022 0:57:28 GMT
"I shot scenes with Shirley MacLaine and Amy Schumer,” Martin Short said. “The quality of actor that this show is attracting makes it endlessly fun to go to work.” Shirl, 87, still at it.
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Post by thomasjerome on May 17, 2022 21:47:57 GMT
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Post by quetee on Jul 6, 2022 20:43:59 GMT
They're back !!!
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Post by Martin Stett on Jul 7, 2022 2:09:45 GMT
I just finished episode 7. This is a TEXTBOOK case of using a gimmick episode to its full potential. It signals a huge change in tone, answers big questions, and sets up a final act - and it uses the gimmick as a way to enhance all of these experiences, instead of taking center stage. It is also one of the funniest episodes yet (that Scrabble game! ). I've been holding off on talking about the show, because I haven't had too much to say until I sorted my thoughts. It's been a pleasant experience, very much in the vein of Steve Martin's Roxanne or Shopgirl: stories that aren't inherently funny, but are granted humor by the characters making light of the serious situations they're in, as a way of processing their unfunny surroundings. There's an enormous kindness to Martin's work (I do know that he isn't writing the show, but as creator and I assume showrunner, I think it's safe to call this his project - it certainly feels like his, anyway), and that is enormously evident here. The reason for each character hiding information from the others is the masterstroke of the series: everybody has secrets because these things are private. You may open up and tell someone something as an offering of trust, but to truly give the deepest part is... scary. Scary and dangerous. Mabel hides her reasons for investigating. Charles hides his past from his prospective girlfriend. Oliver hides his money problems. Sting hides his culpability in Tim's death. These are all deeply personal things to each of them, and it is none of your business as their neighbor to dig into that. The fear of people knowing your deepest shames eats away at everyone, and that delivers the emotional through-line of the show. Some of it is relatively silly and minor in the grand sense, but for these people, these are deeply personal things that they are being asked to share for the investigation, and the show doesn't sidestep how scary that is. Just as C.D. Cybulski hides his fear of being rejected and spat upon behind his self-deprecating sense of humor, these characters use the laughs to deflect away from what scares them, to keep the specter of knowledge at bay. Until The Boy from B6 comes along and signals a sea change in where the story is headed. All of this is good, because the actual murder mystery is... kind of boring. It's a procedural rather than a whodunit, and procedurals really aren't my jam. I can't get actively involved in solving things, because the murderer could easily be somebody that has been glimpsed only briefly. Which is fine, it just doesn't work as a murder mystery puzzle. This show sidesteps that by being a strong story that needn't rely on the puzzle.
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Post by thelistenercanon on Jul 27, 2022 6:23:05 GMT
So I just finished the latest episode, and I think I have a clue who might be the killer in this season... Michael Rapport. It's obvious the way he's shunning out of the Murders crew and Fey crew and wants the case to be done. He only wants to handle because no one expects him to be the murderer given he's the detective. I also think he kidnapped his partner since she probably found out about him and took her cell phone. Another thing is that he mentions his partner on maternity leave. How? Isn't she a lesbian? Did she had some sort of baby's momma or whatever it is? I don't think it was mentioned in any of the show that she was planning to have a baby. I could be wrong. This is just a theory though.
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Post by LaraQ on Jul 27, 2022 12:04:53 GMT
So I just finished the latest episode, and I think I have a clue who might be the killer in this season... Michael Rapport. It's obvious the way he's shunning out of the Murders crew and Fey crew and wants the case to be done. He only wants to handle because no one expects him to be the murderer given he's the detective. I also think he kidnapped his partner since she probably found out about him and took her cell phone. Another thing is that he mentions his partner on maternity leave. How? Isn't she a lesbian? Did she had some sort of baby's momma or whatever it is? I don't think it was mentioned in any of the show that she was planning to have a baby. I could be wrong. This is just a theory though. That's not a bad theory actually.I was leaning towards Teddy Dimass as the murderer.Cara Delevigne's character feels too obvious at this point.
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Post by thelistenercanon on Aug 2, 2022 4:56:57 GMT
S2E7... I did mention the detective was kidnapped. Either she was and let go or she's in on it. I think the reason why she wants the knife evidence is because her partner knows that his fingerprints are on it, but it's an excuse to frame Mabel and the Murders crew. I still feel Rapport's character is the killer, as I said before, with the way he shunning anyone who wants to solve this case. Also, why didn't Steve Martin and Martin Short told the detective about the killer having her phone?Why didn't they question where was her cell?
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Post by speeders on Aug 3, 2022 11:41:16 GMT
So I just finished the latest episode, and I think I have a clue who might be the killer in this season... Michael Rapport. It's obvious the way he's shunning out of the Murders crew and Fey crew and wants the case to be done. He only wants to handle because no one expects him to be the murderer given he's the detective. I also think he kidnapped his partner since she probably found out about him and took her cell phone. Another thing is that he mentions his partner on maternity leave. How? Isn't she a lesbian? Did she had some sort of baby's momma or whatever it is? I don't think it was mentioned in any of the show that she was planning to have a baby. I could be wrong. This is just a theory though. Uh yeah, her (life) partner was pregnant in season 1 and it was definitely a big part of the cop's limited screentime in S1.
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Post by thelistenercanon on Aug 4, 2022 16:30:26 GMT
speedersYeah my fuck up. I forgot about that I still feel what I said about everything else though.
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 4, 2022 22:08:14 GMT
"Brazzos sings!" Original tune by Steve Martin, hilariously cheesy, kinda catchy -- the reason his out of work actor character can afford the Arconia? S2 E7 sort of sums the show/szn for me.... Martin Short is so great, and he's got fun rapport with Martin.... and then there's Selena who's like a bug at the mercy of the writers room, and now more random blackouts? Anyway, usually by ep's end, it doesn't matter.... give us a long shot of the three in the diner, it's sweet stuff. Also whatever happened to Tie Dye Guy? As for S2's killer... Idk but they are going very heavy on parents this season, so I keep thinking about that. Right now my bets on Lucy, Charles daughter - convenient she touches the murder weapon - possibly jealous of Mabel 'replacing her' in the sort of 'daughter' role to Charles..... also what's up with scary Nathan Lane!
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