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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jun 20, 2021 10:40:33 GMT
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 20, 2021 11:09:55 GMT
I mean, it's no different than how people talk about Brando or Kubrick. People pick a favorite and say that THIS ONE IS THE BEST and that's the end of that. It has nothing to do with "one woman or person of color" like the author is saying. Stone is just upset that Streep gets all of the praise, which she is right to. Nothing to see here, though. It's just that Streep gets too much praise. *Shrug*
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 20, 2021 11:10:54 GMT
She's not totally wrong, actually. But that's how things go in acting: Filmography and awards define who's considered better than the other. Streep has better movies and way more awards than Stone so there is that...
Does that make her a better actress? By public opinion, yes. And a bigger movie star for sure. Apart from that, everybody has his own opinion.
Anyway, I think Stone was kind of insulted for no real reason. She doesn't have the career Streep does and she knows it.
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Post by stephen on Jun 20, 2021 11:11:43 GMT
I knew I liked her for a reason.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 20, 2021 11:12:33 GMT
Those are all fine actresses - but none of those actresses is "every bit the equal" of Meryl Streep is with the possible exception in talent of Judy Davis who is a different thing and very unique kind of talent (and a great comic actress too) - and Davis - God love her can't match her career anyway ......... Viola Davis certainly isn't the actress Meryl Streep is specifically - and she has the Triple Crown - the only African American male or female that has that ever - so I don't take her lightly ..........but she's been great - on film - like .......a couple times only........and THAT's the one American actress you name? Nah....... Side note: You know, a lot of people don't know that Sharon Stone had a serious stroke in her early 40s.......it's a miracle she lived at all......she's a kind of hero in a way - she couldn't remember lines, her memory was wiped out, intensive therapy - she had to re-learn acting basically from scratch - that story says more about acting than those highly questionable comments do.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jun 20, 2021 11:21:22 GMT
Streep is on my mind 1/100th the rate she's typically on most peoples minds.
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Post by LaraQ on Jun 20, 2021 11:45:48 GMT
She's absolutely right.I've always found it annoying that there's Meryl and then there's everyone else.There are actresses of her age range and younger that are the equal and better of her.But the narrative is that Meryl is the greatest and that's that.
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Post by Good God on Jun 20, 2021 12:10:39 GMT
It felt like a bit of an overreaction, even if she might have a point about the mythos of Streep. If you're an extra on a Steven Spielberg movie, people are going to ask you what it was like to work with him, but they're not going to ask Spielberg what it was like to work with you.
I know this is reductive, because Sharon Stone is a movie star herself and not an extra, but the principle holds. For better or worse, Streep is the most celebrated actress of all time, so it stands to reason that she is elevated over Stone in general conversations. Some of it might be a feedback loop, with Streep's acclaim shaping the narrative and the narrative generating more acclaim for her, but there is no question that there is more than just the narrative at play here.
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Post by cheesecake on Jun 20, 2021 12:11:20 GMT
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Post by stephen on Jun 20, 2021 12:45:51 GMT
It felt like a bit of an overreaction, even if she might have a point about the mythos of Streep. If you're an extra on a Steven Spielberg movie, people are going to ask you what it was like to work with him, but they're not going to ask Spielberg what it was like to work with you. I know this is reductive, because Sharon Stone is a movie star herself and not an extra, but the principle holds. For better or worse, Streep is the most celebrated actress of all time, so it stands to reason that she is elevated over Stone in general conversations. Some of it might be a feedback loop, with Streep's acclaim shaping the narrative and the narrative generating more acclaim for her, but there is no question that there is more than just the narrative at play here. I see where you're coming from when it comes to the principle, but an extra is not in the same field as the director. Streep and Stone are both actresses, so their fields are directly comparable. And Stone clearly carries some frustration and resentment about how only one actress can be touted as this monolith at a time (someone else posited Brando and Kubrick as comparisons, but there are more actors and directors that are bandied about in that same breath, whereas Streep's competition in that rarefied air is far smaller). I don't think Stone has anything against Streep herself, but she does seem very critical about this female journalist buying into that narrative, and it seems to be a major sticking point for someone like Stone who had to essentially carve out her own opportunities and fight against preconceptions, whereas someone like Streep could ride on the wave of her acclaim and talent without being pigeonholed the way Stone was.
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Post by Pasquale on Jun 20, 2021 15:25:52 GMT
Jesus, Stone? A lit bit of modesty would not hurt.
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Post by Good God on Jun 20, 2021 17:40:10 GMT
I see where you're coming from when it comes to the principle, but an extra is not in the same field as the director. Streep and Stone are both actresses, so their fields are directly comparable. Well, Brando and an extra then. Or even Brando and a debutant like Eva Marie Saint, who I'm sure was asked way more often what it was like to work with Brando than the other way around. And some of it could also just be a question of seniority, where someone like Colin Farrell gets asked what it was like to work with Eva Marie Saint, but not really the other way around. I understand she may be frustrated and resentful, and I don't blame her for it considering how much of an outlier Streep is in terms of both opportunities and esteem, but I think Streep also deserves some credit for the way her career has turned out. Acting talent is subjective, but Streep made inroads by impressing the right people, getting the right opportunities, and making the most of them. She wasn't handed her career any more than Stone was. Sometimes, it isn't really a conspiracy. Sometimes, the other person was able to impress more people with their craft than you were.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 20, 2021 18:27:21 GMT
I know we have some Streep haters here but the reason she is held in such singular esteem is that a lot of people genuinely think she is that good. A lot of people would say she's the greatest actor of all time of either sex. I think the Brando comparison is apt in the sense that there's nobody in Brando's own peer group that is popularly viewed as his equal, just actors who came later. With Streep it's sort of the inverse where K. Hepburn, Bette Davis, or Ingrid Bergman might be viewed as her equals but not other modern actresses. Even then, Glenn Close is probably viewed as closer to Streep than Burt Lancaster or Montgomery Clift or whoever is to Brando.
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Post by morton on Jun 20, 2021 18:35:11 GMT
I see where you're coming from when it comes to the principle, but an extra is not in the same field as the director. Streep and Stone are both actresses, so their fields are directly comparable. Well, Brando and an extra then. Or even Brando and a debutant like Eva Marie Saint, who I'm sure was asked way more often what it was like to work with Brando than the other way around. And some of it could also just be a question of seniority, where someone like Colin Farrell gets asked what it was like to work with Eva Marie Saint, but not really the other way around. I understand she may be frustrated and resentful, and I don't blame her for it considering how much of an outlier Streep is in terms of both opportunities and esteem, but I think Streep also deserves some credit for the way her career has turned out. Acting talent is subjective, but Streep made inroads by impressing the right people, getting the right opportunities, and making the most of them. She wasn't handed her career any more than Stone was. Sometimes, it isn't really a conspiracy. Sometimes, the other person was able to impress more people with their craft than you were. I do think Streep is still seen as a monolith, but maybe it’s just me, but I feel that even that’s not what it once was. Like if you look at all the acclaim Glenn Close has gotten the past few years, and how easily it seemed for Frances McDormand to win a third lead Oscar, albeit in a very odd year, plus Streep’s third Oscar win tied to Harvey Weinstein so much as well as bumps with her filmography like The Laundromat and The Prom, I do think for the first time that there might actually be room for other actresses to join her rarified air.
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Post by Good God on Jun 20, 2021 19:28:21 GMT
I do think Streep is still seen as a monolith, but maybe it’s just me, but I feel that even that’s not what it once was. Like if you look at all the acclaim Glenn Close has gotten the past few years, and how easily it seemed for Frances McDormand to win a third lead Oscar, albeit in a very odd year, plus Streep’s third Oscar win tied to Harvey Weinstein so much as well as bumps with her filmography like The Laundromat and The Prom, I do think for the first time that there might actually be room for other actresses to join her rarified air. It does seem like there is some pushback on Streep getting nominated for virtually everything, particularly with her Golden Globe snub for The Prom which most of us thought she was a lock for, but I don't think much has changed in terms of general perception. I think she's still synonymous with "great actress" the way Brando is for actors, and it will remain so until another actress (like Close, Blanchett, Winslet, or even Ronan) goes on an amazing run for 20 years and outperforms Streep in terms of filmography and acclaim. In Close's case, I don't think she has the time for it and her career seems to be fueled by her overdue narrative more than anything else, which makes me think the longer she goes without an Oscar win, the better it will be for her career. Winslet was being seen as the next Streep in the late 2000s, until she won her Oscar and seemingly lost her ambition. And then Blanchett in the mid-2010s seemed the best positioned to take over from Streep, but her last 5 years haven't been better than Streep's despite her being nearly 20 years younger. McDormand, of course, made history by winning her 3rd Lead Oscar, but I still don't really think she's in the same league as Streep in terms of reverence. She just doesn't have anywhere near the volume of acclaimed work that Streep has, and I don't think she ever will. I may have said this before, but the problem for other actresses with rivaling Streep in terms of esteem has always been that she has kept pace with basically every actress even into her 50s and 60s. For most actresses, the prime period is between 20-50 years and then they start losing pace, allowing others to catch up, but Streep was outpacing actresses 20-30 years younger even when she was in her 60s. A big part of why she was able to do that is because she has had the pick of the litter for decades now over everyone in her age group and more, and I don't know if any other actress will have the same opportunities. The sheer quantity of her acclaimed performances (however we might feel about them individually) is just unprecedented for an actress. I always found Streep's response to which director she'd like to work with very funny. She said, "Yes, I would like Martin Scorsese to be interested in a female character once in a while, but I don’t know if I’ll live that long." It's almost like she believes (or knows) that if there ever was a lead role for an actress of Streep's age in a Scorsese movie, he'd approach her first and nobody else. But can you really argue with her, when she was the actress Spielberg approached when he had a lead role for an older actress?
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jun 20, 2021 19:49:31 GMT
Oh honey, I can't help but think that she's confused and is confusing Meryl with me. I think she means me!
You know what these actresses are like... two drinks and they say anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 21:37:34 GMT
Those are all fine actresses - but none of those actresses is "every bit the equal" of Meryl Streep is with the possible exception in talent of Judy Davis who is a different thing and very unique kind of talent (and a great comic actress too) - and Davis - God love her can't match her career anyway ......... Viola Davis certainly isn't the actress Meryl Streep is specifically - and she has the Triple Crown - the only African American male or female that has that ever - so I don't take her lightly ..........but she's been great - on film - like .......a couple times only........and THAT's the one American actress you name? Nah....... Side note: You know, a lot of people don't know that Sharon Stone had a serious stroke in her early 40s.......it's a miracle she lived at all......she's a kind of hero in a way - she couldn't remember lines, her memory was wiped out, intensive therapy - she had to re-learn acting basically from scratch - that story says more about acting than those highly questionable comments do. She has also been attacked by a Komodo Dragon. Twice.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jun 22, 2021 0:52:16 GMT
Those are all fine actresses - but none of those actresses is "every bit the equal" of Meryl Streep is with the possible exception in talent of Judy Davis who is a different thing and very unique kind of talent (and a great comic actress too) - and Davis - God love her can't match her career anyway ......... Viola Davis certainly isn't the actress Meryl Streep is specifically - and she has the Triple Crown - the only African American male or female that has that ever - so I don't take her lightly ..........but she's been great - on film - like .......a couple times only........and THAT's the one American actress you name? Nah....... Side note: You know, a lot of people don't know that Sharon Stone had a serious stroke in her early 40s.......it's a miracle she lived at all......she's a kind of hero in a way - she couldn't remember lines, her memory was wiped out, intensive therapy - she had to re-learn acting basically from scratch - that story says more about acting than those highly questionable comments do. She has also been attacked by a Komodo Dragon. Twice. You sure about that? I thought it was her ex husband (Phil Bronstein) ?
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 22, 2021 1:02:50 GMT
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 22, 2021 2:44:43 GMT
And a dingo ate Meryl's baby. They're more similar than we realize.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 13:47:50 GMT
pacinoyes - And, putting aside her run-ins with Komodo dragons, I think you made an excellent point about the actresses she chose to name in her ramblings. Judy Davis really is the only one out of that group who would have been in direct competition with Streep for roles/accolades (for instance, I know she was Schepisi's first choice for A Cry in the Dark, but she turned it down due to the intense media scrutiny the case was generating in Australia at the time). The others are of a different generation or simply wouldn't be considered for the same roles as Streep. Also, I feel that with this interview, Stone ironically fell into the trap she's complaining about so bitterly. She spends an inordinate amount of time talking about Streep, even when the journalist is trying to move on to other topics about Stone herself.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Jun 22, 2021 19:13:52 GMT
pacinoyes - And, putting aside her run-ins with Komodo dragons, I think you made an excellent point about the actresses she chose to name in her ramblings. Judy Davis really is the only one out of that group who would have been in direct competition with Streep for roles/accolades (for instance, I know she was Schepisi's first choice for A Cry in the Dark, but she turned it down due to the intense media scrutiny the case was generating in Australia at the time). The others are of a different generation or simply wouldn't be considered for the same roles as Streep. Also, I feel that with this interview, Stone ironically fell into the trap she's complaining about so bitterly. She spends an inordinate amount of time talking about Streep, even when the journalist is trying to move on to other topics about Stone herself. Oh honey, Streep did say that no one had ever put a better performance on film than Judy Davis in Garland. It would be interesting to know what movies she did that were Harvey related and what awards (especially Academy) they won...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 3:35:26 GMT
I just watched Basic Instinct 2! The opening scene is her recklessly driving a Maserati while using her boyfriend's fingers to masturbate herself so hard that she drives the car off the bridge and into the River Thames. And she survives.
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Post by hugobolso on Jun 26, 2021 19:19:36 GMT
I have to defend Meryl Streep. Maybe Stone is right, but she uses all the wrong words. And when you use all the wrong words, the message is weird and reveals ENVY.-
I'm not Meryl Streep fan, and of course not Stone ones. When Meryl delivers a great perfomance I applause her, and when Stone delivers a good speech I claps her too. Unfortuntately I never seen a trully great Sharon Stone performance. I never seen Casino completely, Stone was great in Basic Instincts and usually is better than the trash material is given to her. But I don't even consider Stone a better villian.-
Stone said that Streep could never do better Basic Instints, well to be fair at the time, Stone was 33 and Streep 42, so yep, Streep couldn't be as Good as Catherine Tramell in 1992. Still at that time Streep she still had an splendid body (remember her in House of the Spirits or the Bridge of Madisson County), and if Streeps made Basic Insinct in 1986 after Out of Africa, i think she could be almost or equally good. Stone was gorgeous, young and hungry of success in 1991, and that helped Basic Instinct to become a classic.-
Meryl Streep is much more a technical than a a passionated actress, but how many times Stone was a passionated one (beyond Casino and B.I.)?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2022 14:35:20 GMT
Came across this and wasn't sure where to post... I suppose every English-language actress in Streep's age range has a similar feeling? Dame Harriet Walter on envying Meryl Streep's career
Apparently, Walter filmed scenes in The French Lieutenant's Woman that were ultimately excised from the final cut...
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