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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 12, 2021 21:17:49 GMT
Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) has banned it in Florida and there are several heated discussions about it.........possibly more bans in some states etc. Critical race theory (CRT) is an academic movement of civil-rights scholars and activists in the United States who seek to critically examine the law as it intersects with issues of race and to challenge mainstream liberal approaches to racial justice.[1] Critical race theory examines social, cultural and legal issues as they relate to race and racism (Wikipedia)
I got kicked out of school myself for playing drums along to Van Halen's "Panama" on my desk (kidding) but we have MAR teachers.......MAR parents ......also my dog ate my homework so I'm going to need more time on that - kidding - do I have to say that every time? www.clickorlando.com/news/politics/2021/06/10/florida-bans-critical-race-theory-from-its-classrooms/
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 12, 2021 21:43:06 GMT
Critical race theory is a distraction pushed by China and multinational corporations to keep your attention away from the things that actually matter. It’s no coincidence that this ridiculous, asinine bullshit did not enter the public consciousness until shortly after occupy Wall Street
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 12, 2021 21:54:30 GMT
In my criminal justice high school class, my white ex-cop teacher taught a good bit about the history of the law and it seemed basic to talk about how race, gender, and class played into that given that the law was made for and by white male property owners. I don't pretend to really know what "critical race theory" means because I only started hearing that phrase in the past year or so as another political buzzword, but if that is an example of critical race theory, then I'm all for it.
EDIT: I wanna say that this is coming from the perspective of someone who works in psychology, another field that had rich white guys as its leading theorists and subjects for decades and is continuing to undergo work to consider broader perspectives. With that comes the acknowledgment that of course it doesn't undo the work of guys like Freud or Jung but that they could not have conceived the full gamut of human experience in their perspectives. No one person can.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jun 12, 2021 22:07:18 GMT
Critical race theory has now turned into just a catch-all term for any topic about race that conservatives don't want taught in the classroom... the whole discussion is in bad faith with straw-man arguments levied against it. A better way for teachers to frame the issue if, for example, they're in a situation where they're being interrogated in job interviews about whether they teach CRT is to hold the position that teachers have the obligation to tell the truth about history (the good and the bad), and you don't need a theory to practice honest pedagogy.
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Post by dazed on Jun 12, 2021 23:57:01 GMT
To loosely quote Vaush, critical race theory must be good at identifying racial institutions since conservations so clearly fear it. Critical race theory is just a critical theory that analyzes situations (such as the L.A riots) from one perspective to help understand said situation a little better.
So please, keep teaching it in schools.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jun 13, 2021 0:56:31 GMT
It has become a catchall phrase for whatever the Right doesn't like. For example, I'm monitoring the Loudoun County (VA) case with the schoolboard. Most of the parents' complaints against the board come down to pornographic books being issued in English class. They have read excerpts, and these books are indeed pornographic (and laughably written - this stuff is for 9th and 10th grades IIRC, and they're reading Monday's Not Cumming Coming? I was reading DICKENS, AUSTEN, and ISHIGURO for fun when I was that old!) - but then the parents keep mentioning how this is a result of "Critical Race Theory" and I'm going, "no, this is a result of shit schooling."
We need a clear definition of what "Critical Race Theory" is and what it achieves. That goes for both the left and the right. Because right now, this is just hot air.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 13, 2021 4:09:11 GMT
A lot of people try to defend this by saying it's just "talking about race". Donald Trump talks an awful lot about race yet I'm going to guess what he says would not be considered critical race theory. When critical race theory is spoken of approvingly it is often in promotion of pseudo intellectual postmodern bullshit like saying black people can't be racist and rational thought is a white male construct. So no thanks. they're reading Monday's Not Cumming Coming? I was reading DICKENS, AUSTEN, and ISHIGURO for fun when I was that old! As a side note what is happening in literature classes is really disturbing. Starting to read classic novels when I was 14-15 was very important to my intellectual development and really expanded my mind. Giving kids YA novels instead because they're relatable misses the point of literature classes. It's supposed to be about learning to understand subtext and different literary devices so as to improve your reading comprehension, not reading things you "relate" to. All these YA novels that are so popular are written in a literal conversational style at a low reading level, there's no educational value there at all. There were many complaints that classic novels were "too white" and so CRT proponents wanted to diversify the curriculum by assigning more YA books (as opposed to Things Fall Apart I guess) which might have been the connection to CRT in those parents' complaints.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jun 13, 2021 5:58:49 GMT
they're reading Monday's Not Cumming Coming? I was reading DICKENS, AUSTEN, and ISHIGURO for fun when I was that old! As a side note what is happening in literature classes is really disturbing. Starting to read classic novels when I was 14-15 was very important to my intellectual development and really expanded my mind. Giving kids YA novels instead because they're relatable misses the point of literature classes. It's supposed to be about learning to understand subtext and different literary devices so as to improve your reading comprehension, not reading things you "relate" to. All these YA novels that are so popular are written in a literal conversational style at a low reading level, there's no educational value there at all. There were many complaints that classic novels were "too white" and so CRT proponents wanted to diversify the curriculum by assigning more YA books (as opposed to Things Fall Apart I guess) which might have been the connection to CRT in those parents' complaints. I wouldn't go so far as to say there's no educational value there at all. It's still possible to effectively teach subtext and different literary devices through YA novels.... though I'm definitely NOT on board with cutting classic novels out of the curriculum entirely. I think it mostly just comes down to an issue of balance and what you choose to emphasize as a teacher. When I was in high school, I remember only about a third of the class would bother to read the assigned books, and I can imagine the percentage is even less now with the way information is so easily accessible on the internet for kids that age now... so I can understand wanting to motivate students to read with books that are more "relatable." But yeah, completely tossing out classic novels altogether is not something I support. There's a similar sort of thing happening in college music theory curriculums at the moment. For a long time now, music majors have been taught according to the rules of a predominantly white European style of classical music (Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, etc.) regardless of how relevant it is to their own area of study. And now many music theory instructors are arguing that focusing exclusively on this segment of music history implicitly privileges it as the gold standard of "Great Music." (It doesn't help that the primary analytical system theorists have been using to study this music for many years now is rooted in a German nationalist philosophy in which only composers who adhere to this specific stylistic framework are worthy of the label "genius," but that's a whole other discussion). So now instructors are wanting to diversify the curriculum with not just more composers of color, but also more popular music (or music not necessarily based on an old white European style). So it's not just an attempt to make the curriculum more relatable (like in literature classes), but also giving students a broader sense of what compositional artistry can look like. It's a little different in literature classes though because if you go the YA novel route as a teacher, I think it requires really well-designed lesson planning and obviously choosing the right kind of material in order to draw out the kinds of nuances and concepts that you want students to grasp.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 13, 2021 19:27:35 GMT
neither you nor i nor god himself has any idea what "critical race theory" is, nor does anyone know what "american values" are. being pro/anti either of them is ultimately virtue signaling, not necessarily a bad thing because it's mostly abstract, but all it really does is say "i'm a conservative" or "i'm a liberal" or "i'm a leftist" because, again, nobody even knows what the term means lol
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Post by hugobolso on Jun 14, 2021 20:54:23 GMT
I have no idea of what's exactly this. But I guess the propper space for this are the Universities, not School, and the first years of highschool.-
And then as an option, not obligatory, that shouldn't imply extra-credits.-
Because should be school, highschool and universities as apolitical as it would be.-
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 6, 2021 22:22:00 GMT
Good debate here .......except when Eddie Glaude rolls his eyes ........ Wish they had spent more than 8 minutes on it, if you're going to talk about it, let 'em talk .......grrrrrrrrr
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Post by countjohn on Jul 7, 2021 0:55:15 GMT
Well that description of CRT was word salad as is nearly always the case. And the trans-Atlantic slave trade was not a facet of capitalism. The "capitalist era" is generally not viewed as starting until the 19th century and the abolitionist of slavery in Europe and later America was in fact an outgrowth of Enlightenment capitalist liberals. Wage labor is one of the main ideas of capitalism, mass slavery is fundamentally non-capitalist and part of the feudal system.
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Post by flasuss on Jul 7, 2021 1:35:08 GMT
Well that description of CRT was word salad as is nearly always the case. And the trans-Atlantic slave trade was not a facet of capitalism. The "capitalist era" is generally not viewed as starting until the 19th century and the abolitionist of slavery in Europe and later America was in fact an outgrowth of Enlightenment capitalist liberals. Wage labor is one of the main ideas of capitalism, mass slavery is fundamentally non-capitalist and part of the feudal system. Exactly, trans-Atlantic slave trade was during the peak of the Mercantilism era.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jul 7, 2021 1:40:05 GMT
Here's another person going a bit further in depth on what CRT actually is, much of which I didn't know about because I never hear anybody talk about specifics of the theory.
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Post by clunkybob2 on Jul 7, 2021 22:16:16 GMT
Gay and retarded.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 8, 2021 18:28:43 GMT
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Post by clunkybob2 on Jul 8, 2021 19:24:12 GMT
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 8, 2021 20:10:32 GMT
no shit, then stop talking like a 12 year-old boy from 2002. Fucking hell.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 20:25:41 GMT
Good debate here .......except when Eddie Glaude rolls his eyes ........ Honestly, though - who the fuck is credible and saying that "whiteness is the devil"? This is the kind of anecdotal evidence that Republicans/Conservatives use as cudgels or wedge issues all the time to try and delegitimize another point of view.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 8, 2021 20:53:11 GMT
Good debate here .......except when Eddie Glaude rolls his eyes ........ Honestly, though - who the fuck is credible and saying that "whiteness is the devil"? This is the kind of anecdotal evidence that Republicans/Conservatives use as cudgels or wedge issues all the time to try and delegitimize another point of view. Yes.......he also made a classic debating mistake there too .......he has a book he wants to reference that Glaude doesn't know ....... Rufo has a "screenshot" moment - to use a MAR example - where you can reveal something to your opponent that makes them look unprepared ....... The "awful" book (in his opinion) that Rufo mentions later is a book Glaude doesn't know about - and it is a real book - Not My Idea: A Book About Whiteness by Anastasia Higginbotham - it's as close to a "bombshell" as you can have in a discussion like that - even if it's a good book - that doesn't matter in the moment........ because Glaude doesn't know it so he can't defend it................... and Rufo utterly obscured his debating point about the book because he couldn't stop talking.................Rufo only mentioned the book after a whole bunch of people "rolled their eyes and tuned him out" I'm sure.......
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jul 9, 2021 0:44:17 GMT
Speaking of books about racism that conservatives don't like.... Jessica Taylor for Alabama Senate: believes in book burning, doesn't believe in censorship or irony
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 9, 2021 1:59:06 GMT
Burning books is not the way to get your message across
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Post by clunkybob2 on Jul 10, 2021 11:23:32 GMT
no shit, then stop talking like a 12 year-old boy from 2002. Fucking hell. Ur mom
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Post by jakesully on Jul 17, 2021 22:14:41 GMT
I usually stay out of this board (I only come here to talk films and keep shit light cause the vast majority of posters are cool as hell on this forum overall)
That being said, this whole CRT movement is complete bullshit. And I say that as someone who normally sides with left wing ideas. But this "Critical Race Theory " is only setting us back and isn't productive at all. I saw some videos of some college professors teaching this bs to their students in huge lecture halls and lost count on how many times I rolled my eyes. The college professors would pick and literally grab some white male student by the arm and shame them and guilt trip them to hell. There was zero push back or even questions from these brainwashed college students during these lectures. JFC
So yeah I think Critical Race Theory is a terrible idea to teach the youth of America or wherever else it's being spread.
And before one of you think that I voted for Trump...I sure as hell did not.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 17, 2021 22:44:52 GMT
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