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Post by TerryMontana on May 1, 2021 12:53:08 GMT
I've said it before but Cary Grant's charisma, style and energy in front of the camera is something I haven't seen from any actor prior to him but I've seen it many times after him (no matter the genre: comedy, action, drama, romance): Hanks, Di Caprio, Pitt, Damon, Law, McGregor... A legend in cinema history of course but rarely mentioned for his acting skills, I think. As for the comedy genre, Katharine Hepburn was a pioneer in creating a female screwball comedy persona (almost the same in every such movie she starred in). On the other hand, many actors were influenced by the Marx brothers and later on Jerry Lewis, but imo the pattern was created by Chaplin and Laurel-Hardy. To add another one pacinoyes's mention of Barbra Streisand made me think of Diane Keaton. I know it's for a small amount of roles, pretty much just the late 70's run with Woody, but it really changed female leads in romantic comedies. I've mentioned before how before that you'd never really seen female romantic leads be such screw ups, except for the 30's screwball comedies, which were pretty much 100% broad comedies so it wasn't really the same thing. A lot of those big Julia Roberts roles for example would likely not have been characterized the same way at all if not for Annie Hall. Streisand was similar which is why she made me think of Keaton but the characterization still felt a lot more old Hollywood with her. First one (chronologically) was Audrey Hepburn, I think. Almost every screwball comedy she did, her character was a massive screw up.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 1, 2021 13:00:08 GMT
I honestly don't see Diane Keaton' s neurotic comedy persona having much specifically to do with the kind of star persona Julia Roberts developed. I feel Roberts was more a cross between Audrey Hepburn and Shirley MacClaine's personas in the 50's and 60's, but just updated to the 90's and beyond. And agreed with TerryMontana ....there were plenty of screw ups in more sophisticated romantic comedies before Keaton. Audrey Hepburn and MacClaine (in things like The Apartment) among them.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 1, 2021 13:33:30 GMT
I've said it before but Cary Grant's charisma, style and energy in front of the camera is something I haven't seen from any actor prior to him but I've seen it many times after him (no matter the genre: comedy, action, drama, romance): Hanks, Di Caprio, Pitt, Damon, Law, McGregor... A legend in cinema history of course but rarely mentioned for his acting skills, I think. Whenever anyone is compared to Cary Grant it's almost always a flat out lie. They usually mean it when an actor is trying to act charming which wasn't all that he was........and usually the actor is faking acting charming anyway...... Grant actually had a tremendous amount of charm mixed with an undercurrent of tension that no one can quite match at all (or even try it usually) especially in comedies - he invented that stuff - everything else is a pale copy of him.......like in The Philadelphia Story - you just know that deep down he really hates Tracy's money, some of her family, her wealth and privilege and.....sometimes even.......her FACE.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 1, 2021 17:33:58 GMT
pacinoyes Wouldn't you say Isabelle Huppert is also influential ? I mean even non european actors seem to worship the ground she walks on.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 1, 2021 18:20:05 GMT
pacinoyes Wouldn't you say Isabelle Huppert is also influential ? I mean even non european actors seem to worship the ground she walks on. Oh definitely - as I said to Tyler earlier - my OP was just 10, not so much "THE 10" ......................but I consider her the GOAT ever and she has a specific characteristic too that people try to copy which is her daring / bravery. If you really look at her career the way she handles it is almost........suicidal ....... people say "oh that's such a brave performance by ___________" for maybe 1 or 2 roles but her whole career is a testament to that entire idea, so I think she gives something clear to focus on for people who are influenced by her - she's always been very much " the work, not the career".
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Post by pupdurcs on May 1, 2021 18:39:35 GMT
Kidman is a cinephile and a cultured one at that, so she is an anomaly for Hollywood actresses. Huppert is one of her many influences (including,Vivien Leigh, Jessica Lange, Marilyn Monroe, Meryl Streep, Susan Sarandon, Shirley MacClaine, Judy Davis and Jane Fonda, whom she has all cited at some point for influencing her work or career. Kidman is just a fan of great actresses in general, so it's not easy to pinpoint one specific actress that had the most influence on her. Probably Leigh, Streep, Fonda and Judy Davis had the most formative influence on her, if I had to guess).
But in general, I don't think Huppert has ever had much specific influence among Hollywood performers or been often namechecked as an influence (though I know Jessica Chastain is a Hollywood actress who cited Huppert as an influence early in her career). Someone like Kidman was familiar with her work because she grew up watching European arthouse movies, but I just think a lot of actresses outside of France just weren't familiar enough with her work or career. The bulk of Huppert's influence is probably among younger French actresses.
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Post by Mattsby on May 15, 2021 1:39:26 GMT
TerryMontana mentioned him quick, but really.... how about Jerry Lewis...... Robin Williams, Steve Martin, Jim Carrey, Eddie Murphy, Adam Sandler, and stray others like Nic Cage who said "Jerry Lewis and Brando were my two big influences.” And there's the comedian self-directors who followed, Mel Brooks, Woody Allen etc. Also... he was like a phenomenon in France. There are a thousand articles and books written about their obsession with him. He might've inspired Pierre Etaix and the Francois Pignon character and w/e else......
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Post by MsMovieStar on May 15, 2021 8:51:49 GMT
Oh honeys, we'd talked about this and I thought we'd all agreed that it's probably me...
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Post by SZilla on May 15, 2021 18:03:29 GMT
I've been thinking more on this topic, and I realized that we haven't mentioned the great acting teachers of the 20th century. Sure, Konstantin Stanislavski is probably THE most influential actor, but his work as an actor predates film for the most part. Lee Strasberg, Stella Adler, Sanford Meisner, & Uta Hagen all had acting careers, but most either stuck primarily to the stage with few tv or film credits, or were more closely associated with being a director. Viola Spolin, Robert Lewis, William Esper, and David Mamet are also the heads of different "schools of acting," but they're all more-so known as either coaches, directors, or writers.
But one stood out from the others:
Michael Chekhov - Again, his work was primarily on the stage, but Chekhov did receive an Academy Award nomination for Hitchcock's Spellbound. His writings may not be as well known as the other "main" technique originators, but his students have included the likes of Gregory Peck, Marilyn Monroe, Yul Brynner, Anthony Quinn, Beatrice Straight, Clint Eastwood, Dorothy Dandridge, Patricia Neal, Jack Palance, Sterling Hayden, and Lloyd Bridges. Anthony Hopkins and Johnny Depp have also both cited Chekhov's teachings as a major influence on them.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 29, 2022 11:43:43 GMT
Reminded of this thread with the Pfeiffer / Lange thread where I said the Lange by one definition - imo - is more imitated than Pfeiffer by virtue of her distinct odd qualities and her big time awards for that oddness........along the same lines, if this year really is Michelle Williams Oscar year .......so much coalesces around her work - beautiful, but not "movie star-ish", consistent, serious, a distinct vein through her filmography (a "type"), indie-minded but not exclusively so, plays leads and smaller parts.......
If I was a young American actress in 2022, I can see aspiring to be her and mimicking her acting choices not just in roles but in choices she makes within the roles tbh.......I see her as far more "influential" in a way than Margot Robbie, Natalie Portman or Carey Mulligan but that's just the way I read it....
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 19, 2022 12:09:28 GMT
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