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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Mar 15, 2021 13:34:40 GMT
Got to be near the top. Not only did he get no precursor love but that wasn’t even the category he was campaigned in. At least Tavira was in the right category and her film was top two BP contender.
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Post by stephen on Mar 15, 2021 13:38:20 GMT
Definitely at the top. I hadn't ruled him out as a Best Actor contender because it did seem like Judas could surge and topple someone like Oldman, but Supporting Actor didn't factor in at all because, well, why would they do that? It genuinely makes no sense. Like, to a frustrating degree. I've seen bad category fraud in the past, but this one might be the most inexcusable because there are two leads in the category, one was frauded to supporting but had winner momentum, and they decided to put the other guy into supporting with him?!
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Post by morton on Mar 15, 2021 13:45:39 GMT
Definitely at the top. I hadn't ruled him out as a Best Actor contender because it did seem like Judas could surge and topple someone like Oldman, but Supporting Actor didn't factor in at all because, well, why would they do that? It genuinely makes no sense. Like, to a frustrating degree. I've seen bad category fraud in the past, but this one might be the most inexcusable because there are two leads in the category, one was frauded to supporting but had winner momentum, and they decided to put the other guy into supporting with him?! Yeah it’s so bizarre. The supporting and leading actress categories were actually pretty “safe” considering all the chaos before hand, and it turned out that the supporting actor category where it seemed it was pretty set except for the last spot ended up being the most unpredictable acting category. I guess they really loved Stanfield’s performance but didn’t have any room for him in leading, but I’m not sure how enough voters got the bright idea to put him in supporting instead. Even if there wasn’t passion for Leto or Murray, I still thought that they’d go with Straitharn or another actor from Trial instead. Never would have thought of Stanfield being a possibility. |
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Post by wilcinema on Mar 15, 2021 13:48:14 GMT
There must have been some serious collective thinking that he would never make it in Lead so those who liked him decided to push him in Supporting, this is the only explanation I have.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 13:48:54 GMT
I guess there is no lead in Judas and the Black Messiah... Both of the titular characters are Supporting...
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Post by stephen on Mar 15, 2021 13:51:17 GMT
I guess there is no lead in Judas and the Black Messiah... Both of the titular characters are Supporting... What, you didn't think Judas and the Black Messiah wasn't the story of family man Roy Mitchell as he tried to do his job? |
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Post by wilcinema on Mar 15, 2021 13:52:58 GMT
I guess there is no lead in Judas and the Black Messiah... Both of the titular characters are Supporting... What, you didn't think Judas and the Black Messiah wasn't the story of family man Roy Mitchell as he tried to do his job? I saw it more like the story of Deborah Johnson and how she got pregnant with Fred Hampton's child. |
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Post by bob-coppola on Mar 15, 2021 13:53:19 GMT
I guess there is no lead in Judas and the Black Messiah... Both of the titular characters are Supporting... Racism was the lead character in that movie! But honestly laughing out loud. An Oscar nod with not one precursor and not even in the category he was campaigned for. With cinematography and editing, Shaka King must've been a close #6 on director. Or maybe it was SOM, that also had a strong showing. |
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 15, 2021 13:54:02 GMT
I guess there is no lead in Judas and the Black Messiah... Both of the titular characters are Supporting... Racism was the lead character in that movie! But honestly laughing out loud. An Oscar nod with not one precursor and not even in the category he was campaigned for. With cinematography and editing, Shaka King must've been a close #6 on director. Or maybe it was SOM, that also had a strong showing. Or The Father |
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Post by stephen on Mar 15, 2021 13:54:38 GMT
I guess there is no lead in Judas and the Black Messiah... Both of the titular characters are Supporting... Racism was the lead character in that movie! But honestly laughing out loud. An Oscar nod with not one precursor and not even in the category he was campaigned for. With cinematography and editing, Shaka King must've been a close #6 on director. Or maybe it was SOM, that also had a strong showing. Shaka King was deliberately not campaigning for Best Director, so I don't think he was sixth even with the love for his movie. |
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Post by flasuss on Mar 15, 2021 13:57:14 GMT
Frankly, it might be the biggest ever, because I never heard of someone being nominated in a category different than the one they were campaigning for.
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Post by JC/MC on Mar 15, 2021 14:07:13 GMT
Definitely one of the biggest surprises in all the years I've been following. He was able to get in with absolutely no precursors -- I think his only nomination came from the Black Reel Awards -- not to mention the fact that WB was campaigning him in Lead Actor, and that both he and Kaluuya are arguably both leads in the film. It's not as if Judas is a huge ensemble piece where relegating everybody to supporting is more a more understandable move.
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Post by stephen on Mar 15, 2021 14:15:11 GMT
Frankly, it might be the biggest ever, because I never heard of someone being nominated in a category different than the one they were campaigning for. I know it's happened in the past (though the exact example eludes me at the moment), but when it does happen, they usually put the person in the proper category they belong in. I've never known them to take an actual campaign in lead and dock them to supporting, especially when there is a supporting frontrunner in the same film category-frauded along with them. |
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Post by gradytripp on Mar 15, 2021 14:24:43 GMT
Frankly, it might be the biggest ever, because I never heard of someone being nominated in a category different than the one they were campaigning for. I know it's happened in the past (though the exact example eludes me at the moment), but when it does happen, they usually put the person in the proper category they belong in. I've never known them to take an actual campaign in lead and dock them to supporting, especially when there is a supporting frontrunner in the same film category-frauded along with them. Wasn't Kate Winslet campaigning for supporting in THE READER? |
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Post by flasuss on Mar 15, 2021 14:26:40 GMT
I know it's happened in the past (though the exact example eludes me at the moment), but when it does happen, they usually put the person in the proper category they belong in. I've never known them to take an actual campaign in lead and dock them to supporting, especially when there is a supporting frontrunner in the same film category-frauded along with them. Wasn't Kate Winslet campaigning for supporting in THE READER? Yes, but that was correcting a category fraud. |
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Post by franklin on Mar 15, 2021 14:27:19 GMT
This strangely long season positively influenced Stanfield's nomination.
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Post by stephen on Mar 15, 2021 14:28:23 GMT
I know it's happened in the past (though the exact example eludes me at the moment), but when it does happen, they usually put the person in the proper category they belong in. I've never known them to take an actual campaign in lead and dock them to supporting, especially when there is a supporting frontrunner in the same film category-frauded along with them. Wasn't Kate Winslet campaigning for supporting in THE READER? Yes, she was. But Winslet's an odd case where I feel like she was going to win Best Actress regardless of the film she was in, and they just liked The Reader more. Albert Brooks was pushed in lead in '87 for Broadcast News but was nominated in supporting. But he at least had co-stars in lead. Stanfield's case is wholly unprecedented as far as I know because that was a deliberate move by voters to put him into supporting despite the fact that his co-star was also there. So with that mindset, whom do they consider the lead of the movie? Surely they don't think it's an ensemble with no lead! |
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Post by sirjeremy on Mar 15, 2021 14:35:58 GMT
Frankly, it might be the biggest ever, because I never heard of someone being nominated in a category different than the one they were campaigning for. Susan Sarandon's first nomination is one that springs to mind and she's on record for saying that she voted for herself in the supporting actress category. |
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Post by gradytripp on Mar 15, 2021 14:36:30 GMT
It's crazy!
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Post by stephen on Mar 15, 2021 14:48:02 GMT
Frankly, it might be the biggest ever, because I never heard of someone being nominated in a category different than the one they were campaigning for. Susan Sarandon's first nomination is one that springs to mind and she's on record for saying that she voted for herself in the supporting actress category. Sarandon could go either way, to be honest, for that film. I have her lead but I wouldn't exactly say supporting run is the worst category fraud. It's kind of a Jennifer Lawrence in Silver Linings Playbook situation. |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Mar 15, 2021 20:29:17 GMT
Wasn't Kate Winslet campaigning for supporting in THE READER? Yes, she was. But Winslet's an odd case where I feel like she was going to win Best Actress regardless of the film she was in, and they just liked The Reader more. Albert Brooks was pushed in lead in '87 for Broadcast News but was nominated in supporting. But he at least had co-stars in lead. Stanfield's case is wholly unprecedented as far as I know because that was a deliberate move by voters to put him into supporting despite the fact that his co-star was also there. So with that mindset, whom do they consider the lead of the movie? Surely they don't think it's an ensemble with no lead! What I’m thinking is a lot of the people who voted for Stanfield in supporting probably view Kaluuya as the lead. Kaluuya probably got more than a few lead votes. |
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Post by stephen on Mar 15, 2021 20:31:52 GMT
Yes, she was. But Winslet's an odd case where I feel like she was going to win Best Actress regardless of the film she was in, and they just liked The Reader more. Albert Brooks was pushed in lead in '87 for Broadcast News but was nominated in supporting. But he at least had co-stars in lead. Stanfield's case is wholly unprecedented as far as I know because that was a deliberate move by voters to put him into supporting despite the fact that his co-star was also there. So with that mindset, whom do they consider the lead of the movie? Surely they don't think it's an ensemble with no lead! What I’m thinking is a lot of the people who voted for Stanfield in supporting probably view Kaluuya as the lead. Kaluuya probably got more than a few lead votes. I'd be inclined to agree with that if it were a few people . . . but enough people to do that to the point where both got in when that fifth spot had a number of other contenders with precursor attention? There feels like a whisper campaign afoot. |
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Post by quetee on Mar 15, 2021 23:44:53 GMT
He's the most surprising EVER!!. He's good in the movie but I am just surprised he's supporting cause it's his story. I think this just shows how strong Daniel is for the win.
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Post by michael128 on Mar 16, 2021 1:06:18 GMT
Wasn't Kate Winslet campaigning for supporting in THE READER? Yes, but that was correcting a category fraud. in your opinion |
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Post by michael128 on Mar 16, 2021 1:08:25 GMT
Frankly, it might be the biggest ever, because I never heard of someone being nominated in a category different than the one they were campaigning for. kate winslet in the reader campaigned supporting |
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