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Post by pupdurcs on May 10, 2021 20:25:01 GMT
I don't think Cruise has that much juice with Networks. The guy has has had his own ongoing PR problems for the last 15-20 years. He's not some universally beloved star (like say Tom Hanks) who really could sway opinion like that. NBC has probably been heading in this course of action since Netflix and Amazon cut ties. And they probably had advance knowledge that HBO and Warner we're ready to do the same. It's a good PR move for him, but I would not overestimate it's actual influence in NBC's decision. That's not how it works. He was the catalyst. NBC saw a huge star boycott the Globes they knew sooner or later the others will join in and they wanted to get ahead of that story. Respectfully, I disagree. NBC isn't making decisions this big because a star half of America has openly disliked and considered a weirdo since the mid-2000's has decided to boycott. Other stars do not follow the lead of Tom Cruise. He's in his own bubble making endless Mission Impossible movies and worshipping Xenu.Feels obvious that they knew other studios were going to follow in the lead of Netflix and Amazon, which would make the show impossible to put on. To me that is the more realistic and obvious catalyst, but again, you don't have to agree.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 10, 2021 20:26:49 GMT
So what group steps up to take their spot?
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Post by pupdurcs on May 10, 2021 20:30:18 GMT
So what group steps up to take their spot? AACTA's rubbing their hands right now! Nah....it'll obviously be something American. Maybe the AFI will bring back their full televised awards show for one year to fill the gap.
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Post by quetee on May 10, 2021 20:35:58 GMT
That's not how it works. He was the catalyst. NBC saw a huge star boycott the Globes they knew sooner or later the others will join in and they wanted to get ahead of that story. Respectfully, I disagree. NBC isn't making decisions this big because a star half of America has openly disliked and considered a weirdo since the mid-2000's has decided to boycott. Other stars do not follow the lead of Tom Cruise. He's in his own bubble making endless Mission Impossible movies and worshipping Xenu.Feels obvious that they knew other studios were going to follow in the lead of Netflix and Amazon, which would make the show impossible to put on. To me that is the more realistic and obvious catalyst, but again, you don't have to agree. I'm looking at the timing that's it. NBC choose to not respond after Netflix and Amazon news hit. They choose to wait 3 hrs after the HBO/Warner news hit but announces after word Cruise sent back Globes? It doesn't take long to do a press release. I'm just looking at what happened and trying to piece it together. If that didn't happen then fine but the timing is suspect.
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Post by franklin on May 10, 2021 20:45:40 GMT
So I guess SAG is the second most important award show, now???
Or the Critics Choice will picked by NBC?? Or the AFI will be televised??? What happens next??
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 10, 2021 21:06:42 GMT
this is so hilariously overblown. I'm fine with no Globes next year, these people never should've had relevance to begin with, but god what a silly thing to be outraged over. Why are people mad again? They didn't like Bridgerton? I don't have the patience to follow this story. The thing with #OscarsSoWhite makes sense because that has to do with POC projects being un-represented or passed over and there are concrete ways to address that but the HFPA was never a large group to begin with. It's just a small collection of foreign journalists and photographers. There's nothing to "fix" there. If this controversy has one positive, it's that everyone can agree to kick these bozos to the curb because they never deserved a spot at the table to begin with. They don't deserve more relevance than a critics' group. You can actually make changes to the Academy to address discrepancies and representation problems. You can cultivate a more diverse membership. Studio execs can make the choice to trust more women and POC with money and creative freedom (with a little help from Academy eligibility rules). These are constructive solutions or at least steps in the right direction. The only way to "fix" HFPA is to forget about them. And not because they didn't give Shonda Rhimes a press-conference. Because they have no intrinsic value as a body that votes on artistic merit and they never have. I'm washing my hands of this controversy
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Post by madmonsterparty on May 10, 2021 23:18:46 GMT
Simple question and one perhaps an obvious answer: will there even be a Golden Globe Awards next year? I know it won't be televised (at least not on NBC of course). Or if there is, it will look extremely different if it does happen (I know this is a obvious statement, but still). But what do you think will happen in the short term here for the Golden Globes for next year (if there is *anything* that happens for them at all next year)?
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Post by therealcomicman117 on May 11, 2021 0:19:53 GMT
Simple question and one perhaps an obvious answer: will there even be a Golden Globe Awards next year? I know it won't be televised (at least not on NBC of course). Of if there is, it will look extremely different if it does happen (I know this is a obvious statement, but still). But what do you think will happen in the short term here for the Golden Globes for next year (if there is *anything* that happens for them at all next year)? It doesn't look very good. They just announced plans to overhaul their members and ranks, but I'm not sure it'll be enough to change things fast. Being dropped by NBC was a huge blow to the way their shows are presented in general. I could realistically see the actual awards themselves just stopping altogether, but like all things, it depends on what they do.
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Post by JangoB on May 11, 2021 1:10:15 GMT
this is so hilariously overblown. I'm fine with no Globes next year, these people never should've had relevance to begin with, but god what a silly thing to be outraged over. Why are people mad again? They didn't like Bridgerton? I don't have the patience to follow this story. The thing with #OscarsSoWhite makes sense because that has to do with POC projects being un-represented or passed over and there are concrete ways to address that but the HFPA was never a large group to begin with. It's just a small collection of foreign journalists and photographers. There's nothing to "fix" there. If this controversy has one positive, it's that everyone can agree to kick these bozos to the curb because they never deserved a spot at the table to begin with. They don't deserve more relevance than a critics' group. You can actually make changes to the Academy to address discrepancies and representation problems. You can cultivate a more diverse membership. Studio execs can make the choice to trust more women and POC with money and creative freedom (with a little help from Academy eligibility rules). These are constructive solutions or at least steps in the right direction. The only way to "fix" HFPA is to forget about them. And not because they didn't give Shonda Rhimes a press-conference. Because they have no intrinsic value as a body that votes on artistic merit and they never have. I'm washing my hands of this controversy LOL, your post made me realize that I don't even know what the studios are demanding from HFPA in order for them to become acceptable again More diverse membership? Didn't HFPA offer some sort of a reform plan? I guess that wasn't good enough? The heck does anyone actually want from them? And while we're at it, folks in Hollywood need to be reminded that if the Hollywood Foreign Press Association isn't good enough anymore there's always the International Press Academy aka The Satellite Givers
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Post by wilcinema on May 11, 2021 6:50:00 GMT
As long as we get another televised show where people get drunk and have fun, I'm cool.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on May 11, 2021 7:51:29 GMT
Televised award shows are dying on their arses anyway.
I don't really see them being a major network thing for that much longer. This is just a simple expedition of the process for the Golden Globes (if it lasts).
The vast majority of the world couldn't give a damn what wins Best Picture at the Oscars, never mind Best Supporting Performance in a Series, Miniseries or Television Film at the Golden Globes. This was always a niche, and with every passing year it becomes less and less relevant to more and more people.
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Post by madmonsterparty on May 11, 2021 14:02:33 GMT
Simple question and one perhaps an obvious answer: will there even be a Golden Globe Awards next year? I know it won't be televised (at least not on NBC of course). Of if there is, it will look extremely different if it does happen (I know this is a obvious statement, but still). But what do you think will happen in the short term here for the Golden Globes for next year (if there is *anything* that happens for them at all next year)? It doesn't look very good. They just announced plans to overhaul their members and ranks, but I'm not sure it'll be enough to change things fast. Being dropped by NBC was a huge blow to the way their shows are presented in general. I could realistically see the actual awards themselves just stopping altogether, but like all things, it depends on what they do. Yes, that seems about right.
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Post by quetee on May 11, 2021 14:10:33 GMT
People need to understand that this is not about one show. This is about getting to that 999th drop and going okay, enough is enough. People have had it and that LA Times article served as a reminder that the Globes are full of shit.
If you are an organization that in 2021 you can't find ONE black person then it means that you're not looking for one. Period.
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Post by Brother Fease on May 11, 2021 23:33:32 GMT
NBC should just air the National Board of Review awards, or have the American Film Institute bring back their award show. Back in 2001, AFI gave out awards for Best Picture, Director, Actor, Actress, Screenplay, etc. I like the concept of fusing together industry members and film journalists.
Nowadays, I value the Guilds and BAFTAs more than I do the Critics Choice and Globes.
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Post by madmonsterparty on May 12, 2021 14:56:05 GMT
NBC should just air the National Board of Review awards, or have the American Film Institute bring back their award show. Back in 2001, AFI gave out awards for Best Picture, Director, Actor, Actress, Screenplay, etc. I like the concept of fusing together industry members and film journalists. Nowadays, I value the Guilds and BAFTAs more than I do the Critics Choice and Globes. The National Board of Review idea sounds like a good idea. I remember reading about how the New York Film Critics used to air their award ceremony on the radio back in the day. I guess it doesn't have to be the NYFCC in particular but it would be pretty nice to have one of the bigger critics awards groups air their awards ceremony on the television.
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Post by Brother Fease on May 12, 2021 23:18:19 GMT
NBC should just air the National Board of Review awards, or have the American Film Institute bring back their award show. Back in 2001, AFI gave out awards for Best Picture, Director, Actor, Actress, Screenplay, etc. I like the concept of fusing together industry members and film journalists. Nowadays, I value the Guilds and BAFTAs more than I do the Critics Choice and Globes. The National Board of Review idea sounds like a good idea. I remember reading about how the New York Film Critics used to air their award ceremony on the radio back in the day. I guess it doesn't have to be the NYFCC in particular but it would be pretty nice to have one of the bigger critics awards groups air their awards ceremony on the television. Love it. They could set it up just like the Globes or Critics Choice (Broadcast Film Critics) awards: 10 Best Picture nominees, 5 directing nominees, 5 leading actor, 5 leading actress, 5 adapted screenplay, 5 original screenplay, etc.
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Post by madmonsterparty on May 13, 2021 17:47:34 GMT
The National Board of Review idea sounds like a good idea. I remember reading about how the New York Film Critics used to air their award ceremony on the radio back in the day. I guess it doesn't have to be the NYFCC in particular but it would be pretty nice to have one of the bigger critics awards groups air their awards ceremony on the television. Love it. They could set it up just like the Globes or Critics Choice (Broadcast Film Critics) awards: 10 Best Picture nominees, 5 directing nominees, 5 leading actor, 5 leading actress, 5 adapted screenplay, 5 original screenplay, etc.
Exactly, Brother Fease, Exactly!
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Post by stephen on Jun 18, 2021 14:36:43 GMT
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Post by quetee on Jun 18, 2021 15:32:26 GMT
Sounds like they are going through their but I'm not racist denial phase rather than actually trying to look at the issue and resolve it.
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Post by Viced on Jun 18, 2021 15:42:57 GMT
Anyone else notice that IMDb has devalued the Golden Globes? For as long as I can remember, they had the Globes valued over the Emmys on TV pages. Now The Sopranos has gone from "Won 5 Golden Globes" to "Won 21 Primetime Emmys." And Golden Globe winning film I Care A Lot (lol) now just says "1 win & 3 nominations."
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Post by quetee on Jun 18, 2021 15:54:02 GMT
Anyone else notice that IMDb has devalued the Golden Globes? For as long as I can remember, they had the Globes valued over the Emmys on TV pages. Now The Sopranos has gone from "Won 5 Golden Globes" to "Won 21 Primetime Emmys." And Golden Globe winning film I Care A Lot (lol) now just says "1 win & 3 nominations." You're right, I noticed that the other day when I was looking something up and thought it looked different but couldn't pinpoint why.
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Post by Allenism on Jun 18, 2021 18:54:50 GMT
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Post by JangoB on Jun 18, 2021 19:07:04 GMT
Anyone else notice that IMDb has devalued the Golden Globes? For as long as I can remember, they had the Globes valued over the Emmys on TV pages. Now The Sopranos has gone from "Won 5 Golden Globes" to "Won 21 Primetime Emmys." And Golden Globe winning film I Care A Lot (lol) now just says "1 win & 3 nominations." Yep, and also the Globes are now just listed alphabetically in the Awards section of movies/people while previously they were at the top right after the Oscars, if I recall correctly. IMDb bringing real change in the world!
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Post by franklin on Jun 19, 2021 1:42:08 GMT
Is this the beginning of the end of the HFPA organization and the Globes in general???
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 26, 2021 0:55:25 GMT
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