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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 28, 2021 1:46:04 GMT
A lot of these countries and cultures are anti-black in some aspects of their society (especially many Latin and Asian cultures), so it still doesn't solve racism. Anti-black racism has been exported worldwide, and isn't just the provenance of white or European cultures. In other words, everybody is racist except black people. And diversity doesn't matter unless they're black. When it comes to the HFPA not having black members, the why matters more than the what. According to The Wrap, black applicants are rare because few of them satisfy the HFPA's bylaws that you have to have resided in California for two years, and that you have to have been a member of the Motion Picture Association for the previous year. According to Theo Kingma, a former HFPA president, "We have this rule that you have to be a member of the MPA for a year, which is fair, because it’s an overseeing body. We also have the rule that you have to live in Southern California for two years. Sadly enough, if you go through the international directory, there is only one person from South Africa that is listed. There is nobody (black) because they can’t afford to come and live here. I’ve been a member for 21 years, and I can promise you I’ve never ever heard anything racial." Now, they could change the bylaws to make membership more accessible, but it's common knowledge that the HFPA loves feeling special and there is no quicker way of becoming less special than to dilute your membership and, thereby, your influence. As 1 member out of 87, you have great influence. As 1 member out of 200, you have less than half the influence. To change any bylaws, two-thirds of the membership has to agree, and it makes sense why that is not going to happen. It'd be like expecting a senator from Wyoming to support having 10 senators from California. That's probably why the total membership of the HFPA has held steady at around 90 members for many years now. I'm not saying that's a good thing, I am saying mere self-preservation and even corruption are not evidence of racism. The last black applicant to the HFPA, to my knowledge, was apparently Samantha Ofole-Prince. According to Judy Solomon, another former HFPA president, Ofole-Prince was rejected because she did not provide the four clippings required by the group's bylaws to be admitted. In her own words, ""Why I voted against [Ofole-Prince] is because she didn’t follow the bylaws. I felt that if I really wanted to join the association, I’d have clippings ready." None of this is to support the HFPA, whose corruption is beyond dispute at this point. And they may very well be racist, though no such evidence has actually been produced. But accusations of "racism" have become so cavalier these days that they've lost all meaning. Just calling someone else racist because the media or self-serving celebrities tell you to and then patting yourself on the back isn't good enough. Identifying real racism should be the first and most important step to progress toward a post-racial world. Errr....happy for you that you got all that off your chest
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Post by Good God on Feb 28, 2021 1:47:24 GMT
Errr....happy for you that you got all that off your chest And I'm not surprised in the least that you're not interested in actually debating the facts and prefer to stick to your "racism" cudgel. Hope that works out for you
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 28, 2021 1:48:55 GMT
Errr....happy for you that you got all that off your chest And I'm not surprised in the least that you're not interested in actually debating the facts and prefer to stick to your "racism" cudgel. Hope that works out for you 75% of all you do here is beg for my attention and derail threads in the process. Find a new hobby.
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Post by Good God on Feb 28, 2021 1:49:44 GMT
75% of all you do here is beg for my attention and derail threads. Find a new hobby. 90% of what you do here is race-bait or be a racist yourself. Look in the mirror.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 28, 2021 1:51:00 GMT
75% of all you do here is beg for my attention and derail threads. Find a new hobby. 90% of what you do is race-bait or be a racist yourself. Look in the mirror. Get a therapist dude. You won't work out your issues fixating on me.
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Post by Good God on Feb 28, 2021 1:52:35 GMT
Get a therapist dude. You won't work out your issues fixating on me. LOL, I see you can't actually debate me on any of the facts or points I presented, so you would much rather derail your own thread than have an actual discussion. Well, at least you didn't call me a White Supremacist or a KKK Member this time, so that's progress
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 28, 2021 1:53:11 GMT
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Post by hilderic on Feb 28, 2021 3:16:25 GMT
Looking at members past and present, the HFPA seems probably more diverse and certainly more global than the AMPAS. A few examples: Ali Sar (Turkey, current president), Meher Tatna (India, former president), Aida Takla (Egypt, former president), Munawar Hosain (Bangladesh), Lisa Lu (China), H. J. Park (Korea), Lynn Tso (Taiwan), Ana Maria Bahiana (Brazil), Jorge Camara (Mexico, former president), Janet Nepales (Philippines)... A lot of these countries and cultures are anti-black in some aspects of their society (especially many Latin and Asian cultures), so it still doesn't solve racism. Anti-black racism has been exported worldwide, and isn't just the provenance of white or European cultures. I simply answered a question on demographics, I was not making a statement about solving anti-black racism.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 28, 2021 3:36:01 GMT
A lot of these countries and cultures are anti-black in some aspects of their society (especially many Latin and Asian cultures), so it still doesn't solve racism. Anti-black racism has been exported worldwide, and isn't just the provenance of white or European cultures. I simply answered a question on demographics, I was not making a statement about solving anti-black racism. Fair enough.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 28, 2021 3:55:06 GMT
More celebs showing their displeasure:
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 16, 2021 21:03:52 GMT
This thing is still going, and the Golden Globes looks pretty fucked at the moment. Over 100 of the most powerful publicists in the industry has stated they will no longer allow access to their star clients unless they completely reform (not just on the race issue, but on the corruption as well). . Also revealed that the Globes consistently refused to attend/hold press conferences for major black led projects. Shonda Rimes coming for their neck on this.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 17, 2021 0:46:53 GMT
This thing is still going, and the Golden Globes looks pretty fucked at the moment. Over 100 of the most powerful publicists in the industry has stated they will no longer allow access to their star clients unless they completely reform (not just on the race issue, but on the corruption as well). . Also revealed that the Globes consistently refused to attend/hold press conferences for major black led projects. Shonda Rimes coming for their neck on this. Damn 😬
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Post by flasuss on Mar 17, 2021 1:38:28 GMT
About damn time.
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Post by quetee on Mar 17, 2021 4:33:15 GMT
They refused Bridgerton? Wow. That's a major black-eye.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 8, 2021 4:24:20 GMT
Netflix cuts ties with HFPA until they make meaningful changes to their organisation. Jimmy Crack Corn....they Federally Fucked!
If they don't reform themselves within the next few months, we could actually see a full scale industry boycott of the Golden Globes next season.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 8, 2021 4:47:48 GMT
Amazon has joined in the boycott against HFPA
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Post by quetee on May 8, 2021 18:21:50 GMT
LMAO. Ouch. They are so stupid. You know the Globes are not in their right mind if they don't want a press conference with Jean. Doesn't matter if he was a nobody, look at him. That's insane. They said no to Daniel who is now an Oscar winner. Please.
Amazon and Netflix have blank checks and the actors who have projects there will not be stepping one foot on the Globes red carpet.
They have five months to figure this shit out or they can forget it. The funny thing is that it is the easiest fix ever.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 8, 2021 18:30:07 GMT
They have five months to figure this shit out or they can forget it. The funny thing is that it is the easiest fix ever. It's a power trip. They've been eating so long off the fat of the Hollywood land, that they think they are indispensable. They think they are like the Oscars, and can't be gotten rid of or disbanded. So they are behaving arrogantly by trying to make as few concessions as they can. They are in for a rude awakening. NBC would cave and cancel their broadcasting contract with the HFPA, and destroy their relevance and earning power. It would be quite easy to get another credible organisation (say the AFI) to do a similar televised awards show to take the place of the Globes in the Oscar season calendar.
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Post by morton on May 8, 2021 18:45:06 GMT
They have five months to figure this shit out or they can forget it. The funny thing is that it is the easiest fix ever. It's a power trip. They've been eating so long off the fat of the Hollywood land, that they think they are indispensable. They think they are like the Oscars, and can't be gotten rid of or disbanded. So they are behaving arrogantly by trying to make as few concessions as they can. They are in for a rude awakening. NBC would cave and cancel their broadcasting contract with the HFPA, and destroy their relevance and earning power. It would be quite easy to get another credible organisation (say the AFI) to do a similar televised awards show to take the place of the Globes in the Oscar season calendar. I just saw Scarlett Johansson spoke out about the questions that this group asks when stars try to schmooze them. Good for her for speaking up. Real change might actually happen. My cynical self thought when this first happened that the Globes would enact some changes, but that the system would continue because movies get a strong bump after the Globe ceremony, and the group can be bribed which has to make executives that want to push a certain project has to like. However, with the ratings cratering so bad this year and all the skeletons coming out, I could see NBC deciding to cancel their contract because it makes them look bad, and they have NFL football on Sunday nights anyways. The usual inevitable winners would probably happen just later in the season; although SAG is becoming less accurate and maybe BAFTA’s system could bring those that had momentum to a halt, but it would be interesting to see what a Globe-less award season would look like. I’d prefer to have less awards, but if any group replaces them I’d rather have it be the AFI instead of the Critics Choice Awards who are probably creaming that maybe they’ll be taken seriously again if the Globes are finally out of the way.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 8, 2021 19:03:37 GMT
hope those companies cut all their ties with Georgia, Florida and Texas too. Places whose policies cause actual harm to POC instead of a glorified group of journalists and photographers that arbitrarily vote on movies.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on May 8, 2021 19:45:25 GMT
Honestly hope this leads to some massive changes or we might rightfully see the end of the HFPA (nothing too bad lets be honest). There's been a massive reckoning coming from them for a while, especially in regards to how white, and easily bought they are. It's a bit crap really.
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Post by quetee on May 8, 2021 19:46:15 GMT
They have five months to figure this shit out or they can forget it. The funny thing is that it is the easiest fix ever. It's a power trip. They've been eating so long off the fat of the Hollywood land, that they think they are indispensable. They think they are like the Oscars, and can't be gotten rid of or disbanded. So they are behaving arrogantly by trying to make as few concessions as they can. They are in for a rude awakening. NBC would cave and cancel their broadcasting contract with the HFPA, and destroy their relevance and earning power. It would be quite easy to get another credible organisation (say the AFI) to do a similar televised awards show to take the place of the Globes in the Oscar season calendar. The fact that Netflix is announcing this after the fact means that something went down and the Globes ignored everything. My guess is when all those celebs showed up after being put on blast means they thought it was business as usual.
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Post by sirchuck23 on May 8, 2021 19:46:43 GMT
It's a power trip. They've been eating so long off the fat of the Hollywood land, that they think they are indispensable. They think they are like the Oscars, and can't be gotten rid of or disbanded. So they are behaving arrogantly by trying to make as few concessions as they can. They are in for a rude awakening. NBC would cave and cancel their broadcasting contract with the HFPA, and destroy their relevance and earning power. It would be quite easy to get another credible organisation (say the AFI) to do a similar televised awards show to take the place of the Globes in the Oscar season calendar. I just saw Scarlett Johansson spoke out about the questions that this group asks when stars try to schmooze them. Good for her for speaking up. Real change might actually happen. My cynical self thought when this first happened that the Globes would enact some changes, but that the system would continue because movies get a strong bump after the Globe ceremony, and the group can be bribed which has to make executives that want to push a certain project has to like. However, with the ratings cratering so bad this year and all the skeletons coming out, I could see NBC deciding to cancel their contract because it makes them look bad, and they have NFL football on Sunday nights anyways. The usual inevitable winners would probably happen just later in the season; although SAG is becoming less accurate and maybe BAFTA’s system could bring those that had momentum to a halt, but it would be interesting to see what a Globe-less award season would look like. I’d prefer to have less awards, but if any group replaces them I’d rather have it be the AFI instead of the Critics Choice Awards who are probably creaming that maybe they’ll be taken seriously again if the Globes are finally out of the way. HFPA getting kicked in the ass right now
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Post by quetee on May 8, 2021 19:47:23 GMT
So this was called to attention on 2/21 and it is now 5/8 that means the Globes didn't do anything.
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Post by franklin on May 8, 2021 19:53:14 GMT
If someone as big as Scarlett Johansson exposes herself and speaks out like this against the organization, it means the Globes are over.
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