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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 12, 2021 0:59:02 GMT
What did she say? I don't follow Star Craps or TV, so this is the first I've heard of it.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 12, 2021 0:59:37 GMT
Creo que no entiendes la gravedad de la situación. Nadie puede ser despedido sin motivo justificado. Y sí lo es debe ser indemnizado. Y lo que es peor se ha encargado Lucas Film de publicitarlo generando una imagen negativa de la actriz para que nadie la contraté.y generando un horrible precedente. Con Lucas Films y el ratón codicioso solo se puede decir las cosas que a Lucas Film y Disney le interese. Y esto no es sólo contra los actores. Por ejemplo por qué la mujer de un empleado del catering de Mandalorian diga algo que pueda resultar ofensivo. Ese empleado que no tiene nada que ver con los dichos de su esposa puede ser despedido. Y esto ya pasó cuando echaron el año pasado a un jugador de fútbol por un comentario de su esposa en SERBIO. En Inglaterra sancionaron a Edinson Cavani que es más bueno que el pan y que solo postea mensajes religiosos por decir hola negrito que es una forma de llamarse cariñosamente en Sudamérica y que no tiene una connotación de raza. A mí me importa un bledo los twitts de Gina Carano, lo que es terrible que te echen por esto. Ahora sí insultan a alguien que no le guste a Lucas Film que hoy es Trump y mañana puede ser David Cameron o fomentar un golpe de Estado en la India (eso ya pasó)lo promocionan como a John Boyega,si vas x el lado contrario te echan. Si bien los contratos de actores no entran normalmente dentro del derecho laboral x su especialidad los principios son los mismos. Tu no puedes exigirle a los actores que en su tiempo libre, con asuntos que nada tengan que ver con su trabajo, se expresen libremente. Cómo tampoco puedes obligarlos a emitir tus declaraciones políticas. Esto no son twitts,y no es sólo de libertad de opinión, estamos hablando de derechos laborales, del derecho al honor y a la integridad física y psíquica. Sino te gusta los comentarios de la actriz no le renovas el contrato pero echarla de esa forma es de jefes tiranicos como los Weinstein que en el pasado varios de ustedes adoraban y yo Era el único que siempre que era un monstruo en los board de la Imdb y jamás le di beneficio artístico alguno. Aparte mi querido Ibbi quien conozco u admiro desde hace más de 10 años. No sé puede decir que un presidente de los estados Unidos fascista sin pruebas. La realidad es que con Trump el periodismo y los medios hicieron lo que quisieron, hasta le cortaban sus discursos. Trump es un maleducado que no tenía problema en pelearse con una niña autista. Hasta se lo puede acusar de populista. Pero fascista es otra cosa, es Nicolás Maduro, es el Presidente de Corea del Norte, es Putin, es XI Xing Ping. ¿Donde está la biblioteca? Te recomiendo para empezar las resoluciones de la OIT
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Post by Film Socialism on Feb 12, 2021 1:22:21 GMT
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 12, 2021 1:28:36 GMT
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 12, 2021 1:30:06 GMT
According several states including California You cannot fire an employee for a polítical comment, no matter how Bad it is. However They could be fired for hate speech. But her last twitt is polítical Partizan. Any way in Many countries actors rules are different than 9 to 5 workers. Si maybe rules don't apply. I hope that with the new court she could msje a De Havilland
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 12, 2021 1:45:46 GMT
Well, she's right about voter fraud - the lack of transparency is why people are pissed. The trans stuff seems like a bad joke until she doubled down on it, and even then I say "grow a pair." As for the thing about comparing Hitler's Germany with Trump's America... that's an idiotic take, but I still think she has the right to say it and keep her job.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 12, 2021 2:00:55 GMT
This gone wild apparently Pedro Pascal in 2018 Made an even worse allegory in 2018 Against Trump América and an unknown Mandalorian actreSs(for me) Made several controversial post.
A Great lawyer could demand Disney and Lucas for millions of dollars. Not only but Also Jon Favrou is mad about ir, and wants yo quit.
Is K. Kennedy behind this?
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 12, 2021 18:16:42 GMT
Ben Shapiro hiring her for the next Daily Wire film.....yeah I listen to his podcasts sometimes too, we can still be friends though.........right? Publicity stunt? A bold shot for conservative artistry? As always, you be the judge MAR...... EXCLUSIVE: Less than 24 hours after her explosive ouster from Star Wars series The Mandalorian for incendiary social media posts, Gina Carano has hit back at her detractors and revealed a new movie project she is making with conservative website The Daily Wire. Carano told us today: “The Daily Wire is helping make one of my dreams — to develop and produce my own film — come true. I cried out and my prayer was answered. I am sending out a direct message of hope to everyone living in fear of cancellation by the totalitarian mob. I have only just begun using my voice which is now freer than ever before, and I hope it inspires others to do the same. They can’t cancel us if we don’t let them.” deadline.com/2021/02/gina-carano-mandalorian-ben-shapiro-hits-back-cancel-culture-1234692971/
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 12, 2021 18:29:25 GMT
I don't feel like it was a deliberate plan to go from the ultimate maistream legitimacy of Disney/Stars Wars to going down the Kevin Sorbo/Kirk Cameron conservative D-list movie actor route.
I suspect Shapiro simply hit up Carano's DM's after Disney fired her and this is a hastily concocted plan/project to help Carano save face. But hey, at least she'll be gainfully employed. And being a conservative martyr will get her pundit/talking head jobs at the bare minimum, if the conservative D list-movie actress roles dry up.
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Post by stephen on Feb 12, 2021 18:39:13 GMT
Well, she's right about voter fraud - the lack of transparency is why people are pissed. The trans stuff seems like a bad joke until she doubled down on it, and even then I say "grow a pair." As for the thing about comparing Hitler's Germany with Trump's America... that's an idiotic take, but I still think she has the right to say it and keep her job. Having a job is not a right, though. If you are bringing the company bad press and the company doesn't like it, well, they're well within their rights to terminate employment.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Feb 12, 2021 18:55:47 GMT
I don't feel like it was a deliberate plan to go from the ultimate maistream legitimacy of Disney/Stars Wars to going down the Kevin Sorbo/Kirk Cameron conservative D-list movie actor route. I suspect Shapiro simply hit up Carano's DM's after Disney fired her and this is a hastily concocted plan/project to help Carano save face. But hey, at least she'll be gainfully employed. And being a conservative martyr will get her pundit/talking head jobs at the bare minimum, if the conservative D list-movie actress roles dry up. THE MAGALORIAN..coming soon
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 12, 2021 19:15:17 GMT
Well, she's right about voter fraud - the lack of transparency is why people are pissed. The trans stuff seems like a bad joke until she doubled down on it, and even then I say "grow a pair." As for the thing about comparing Hitler's Germany with Trump's America... that's an idiotic take, but I still think she has the right to say it and keep her job. Having a job is not a right, though. If you are bringing the company bad press and the company doesn't like it, well, they're well within their rights to terminate employment. And what of Pedro Pascal or Krystina Arielle? They're within their rights to hire and fire who they like, but you can't deny that the double standard is hilarious. The real funny thing about this is that Disney is enforcing what Carano said. I think Hitler's Germany is a terrible take - this is much more akin to Stalin's Russia. If you're not with us, you're against us. If you ever express any dissatisfaction with the Party, they can come for you. If she made truly transphobic comments, fine, whatever - she didn't do any such thing with that beep/bop/boop joke, but that's aside from the point, she wasn't fired for that - and they could have fired her then if they felt this was dangerous to their image. But this? This is bullshit. This is expressing a political opinion without being derogatory to anyone. All because this doesn't match "the Party line."
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 12, 2021 19:41:16 GMT
Having a job is not a right, though. If you are bringing the company bad press and the company doesn't like it, well, they're well within their rights to terminate employment. And what of Pedro Pascal or Krystina Arielle? They're within their rights to hire and fire who they like, but you can't deny that the double standard is hilarious. The real funny thing about this is that Disney is enforcing what Carano said. I think Hitler's Germany is a terrible take - this is much more akin to Stalin's Russia. If you're not with us, you're against us. If you ever express any dissatisfaction with the Party, they can come for you. If she made truly transphobic comments, fine, whatever - she didn't do any such thing with that beep/bop/boop joke, but that's aside from the point, she wasn't fired for that - and they could have fired her then if they felt this was dangerous to their image. But this? This is bullshit. This is expressing a political opinion without being derogatory to anyone. All because this doesn't match "the Party line." This is Hollywood. You are playing with fire if you say anything potentially offensive to or about Jewish people. They don't play with that shit, and their power and influence in the industry is considerable. Megan Fox got fired off the Transformers franchise by Steven Spielberg for comparing Michael Bay to Hitler. Fox's career basically got flatined by that one statement that Spielberg found offensive. There is no evidence That Fox is politically conservative either. I'm not sure it's a double standard. Carano went somewhere very specifically dumb to go, if you know the industry you are working in. If Pedro Pascal made holocaust comparisons that Jewish people might take issue with, he might well find himself in similar trouble. Pascal probably isn't stupid enough to go there. Carano could have compared the Conservative "persecution" to communist Russia, and she would have survived. It was making it about the holocaust that fucked her.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Feb 12, 2021 20:04:10 GMT
And what of Pedro Pascal or Krystina Arielle? They're within their rights to hire and fire who they like, but you can't deny that the double standard is hilarious. The real funny thing about this is that Disney is enforcing what Carano said. I think Hitler's Germany is a terrible take - this is much more akin to Stalin's Russia. If you're not with us, you're against us. If you ever express any dissatisfaction with the Party, they can come for you. If she made truly transphobic comments, fine, whatever - she didn't do any such thing with that beep/bop/boop joke, but that's aside from the point, she wasn't fired for that - and they could have fired her then if they felt this was dangerous to their image. But this? This is bullshit. This is expressing a political opinion without being derogatory to anyone. All because this doesn't match "the Party line." This is Hollywood. You are playing with fire if you say anything potentially offensive to or about Jewish people. They don't play with that shit, and their power and influence in the industry is considerable. Megan Fox got fired off the Transformers franchise by Steven Spielberg for comparing Michael Bay to Hitler. Fox's career basically got flatined by that one statement that Spielberg found offensive. There is no evidence That Fox is politically conservative either. I'm not sure it's a double standard. Carano went somewhere very specifically dumb to go, if you know the industry you are working in. If Pedro Pascal made holocaust comparisons that Jewish people might take issue with, he might well find himself in similar trouble. Pascal probably isn't stupid enough to go there. Carano could have compared the Conservative "persecution" to communist Russia, and she would have survived. It was making it about the holocaust that fucked her. Shit..I remember when Spike got in trouble with his Moe and Josh Flatbush characters in Mo Better Blues back in 1990. Spike had to write out an apology in I think the NY Times IIRC at the suggestion of one of his producing partners who told him that if he didn't apologize then he would never work in that town (Hollywood) again. Its crazy.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 12, 2021 20:46:42 GMT
Having a job is not a right, though. If you are bringing the company bad press and the company doesn't like it, well, they're well within their rights to terminate employment. And what of Pedro Pascal or Krystina Arielle? They're within their rights to hire and fire who they like, but you can't deny that the double standard is hilarious. The real funny thing about this is that Disney is enforcing what Carano said. I think Hitler's Germany is a terrible take - this is much more akin to Stalin's Russia. If you're not with us, you're against us. If you ever express any dissatisfaction with the Party, they can come for you. If she made truly transphobic comments, fine, whatever - she didn't do any such thing with that beep/bop/boop joke, but that's aside from the point, she wasn't fired for that - and they could have fired her then if they felt this was dangerous to their image. But this? This is bullshit. This is expressing a political opinion without being derogatory to anyone. All because this doesn't match "the Party line." No they’re not.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 12, 2021 21:34:05 GMT
And what of Pedro Pascal or Krystina Arielle? They're within their rights to hire and fire who they like, but you can't deny that the double standard is hilarious. The real funny thing about this is that Disney is enforcing what Carano said. I think Hitler's Germany is a terrible take - this is much more akin to Stalin's Russia. If you're not with us, you're against us. If you ever express any dissatisfaction with the Party, they can come for you. If she made truly transphobic comments, fine, whatever - she didn't do any such thing with that beep/bop/boop joke, but that's aside from the point, she wasn't fired for that - and they could have fired her then if they felt this was dangerous to their image. But this? This is bullshit. This is expressing a political opinion without being derogatory to anyone. All because this doesn't match "the Party line." No they’re not. A convincing argument. You don't see the irony in Disney firing someone for saying that people are being taught to hate a certain other group of people? *sigh* I try to stay out of politics because people will see only what they want to see.
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Post by stephen on Feb 12, 2021 21:52:43 GMT
A convincing argument. You don't see the irony in Disney firing someone for saying that people are being taught to hate a certain other group of people? *sigh* I try to stay out of politics because people will see only what they want to see. That's a rather glib interpretation of what Disney is doing. What Disney is doing is taking someone who is promoting a toxic worldview and denigrating a subsection of the population while representing the company by virtue of being a face of one of their properties, and terminating their association with them. This is not an "us vs. them" situation. Now I haven't looked into the Pascal or Arielle (who?) situations, so I can't say that there is a double standard or anything, and I'm sure there's an argument to be had on that front because I don't know what they've done or said. But in Carano's case, she doubled down. Disney caught a lot of flak for the James Gunn firing, and after being so reactionary on that front, they likely did all the necessary due diligence with Carano after the first flurry of controversy erupted. We don't know what the suits did or said to her. But we do know that she persisted and continued to draw unwanted and unwelcome attention to the company by virtue of her comments, and Disney was fully in their right to dismiss her because she is no longer a positive influence on their brand.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 12, 2021 22:06:35 GMT
A convincing argument. You don't see the irony in Disney firing someone for saying that people are being taught to hate a certain other group of people? *sigh* I try to stay out of politics because people will see only what they want to see. That's a rather glib interpretation of what Disney is doing. What Disney is doing is taking someone who is promoting a toxic worldview and denigrating a subsection of the population Toxic worldview? Denigrating a subsection of the population? She makes an observation about tyranny of the masses. Look, I've been brainwashed, you've been brainwashed, we all have our preconceived ideas. In my view, this is the social criminalization of somebody crying wolf. Maybe there isn't a wolf, maybe there is. But nobody wants to believe that there is a wolf, so they will kill the crier so they don't have to hear it. She said nothing derogatory. She said nothing toxic.
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Post by stephen on Feb 12, 2021 23:01:23 GMT
That's a rather glib interpretation of what Disney is doing. What Disney is doing is taking someone who is promoting a toxic worldview and denigrating a subsection of the population Toxic worldview? Denigrating a subsection of the population? She makes an observation about tyranny of the masses. Look, I've been brainwashed, you've been brainwashed, we all have our preconceived ideas. In my view, this is the social criminalization of somebody crying wolf. Maybe there isn't a wolf, maybe there is. But nobody wants to believe that there is a wolf, so they will kill the crier so they don't have to hear it. She said nothing derogatory. She said nothing toxic. She was spreading anti-mask and anti-lockdown messages in the middle of a life-threatening pandemic. She diminished the conceit of preferred pronouns in the trans community (and while she did walk it back, come on, it's 2021 and there's no excuse for that shit in this day and age). She contributed to the dangerous narrative that the 2020 election was the result of widespread voter fraud, which we've already seen result in an attempted coup. She compared American conservatism to the Jewish persecution under Nazi Germany, which is hysterical nonsense. All of these would fit the description of a toxic worldview. Gina Carano is entitled to believe what she wants to believe, and say what she wants to say. But no company lets its employees say or do whatever they want without repercussion because once you're hired, you represent the company, and an actress in a Disney property is one of the most high-profile examples of it. You can be conservative in America. You can even have personal beliefs that might be more extreme than the norm. But if you are threatening the bottom line with your actions, you are expendable.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 12, 2021 23:10:12 GMT
I remember when I was a teenager one of the first pieces of advice for job applicants was to moderate what you say on social media because employers might look you up. Turns out being a dick in the public square might affect your job prospects, how bout that. Watching assholes being forced to rediscover this fact is an endless source of entertainment.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 12, 2021 23:46:15 GMT
I've been reading his and will finally jump in. It was obviously a dumb comment, just in general you should not be making nazi comparisons unless there is actual genocide going on, it's insulting to the people who suffered during the Holocaust. But if hyperbolic nazi comparisons were a fireable offense a great many people would have lost their jobs during the Trump years. It definitely shows a lack of self awareness to act like this is beyond the pale given the abuse of the phrase "literal nazi" over the past five years.
There's also understandably frustration on the right given that there seems to be infinite leeway for liberal celebrities to make stupid or nasty political comments (look at a greatest hits list of Sean Penn quotes sometime) but any time someone on the right steps out of line they're "cancelled". You can't claim there are any consistent standards at play here. Generally I am of the view that people should not be losing their jobs for opinions unless it's something especially extreme like holocaust denial or slavery apologism, or something that directly has to do with the subject matter of your job (biology teacher who doesn't believe in evolution, anti-vax doctor, exc)
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 13, 2021 0:15:55 GMT
Toxic worldview? Denigrating a subsection of the population? She makes an observation about tyranny of the masses. Look, I've been brainwashed, you've been brainwashed, we all have our preconceived ideas. In my view, this is the social criminalization of somebody crying wolf. Maybe there isn't a wolf, maybe there is. But nobody wants to believe that there is a wolf, so they will kill the crier so they don't have to hear it. She said nothing derogatory. She said nothing toxic. She was spreading anti-mask and anti-lockdown messages in the middle of a life-threatening pandemic. She diminished the conceit of preferred pronouns in the trans community (and while she did walk it back, come on, it's 2021 and there's no excuse for that shit in this day and age). She contributed to the dangerous narrative that the 2020 election was the result of widespread voter fraud, which we've already seen result in an attempted coup. She compared American conservatism to the Jewish persecution under Nazi Germany, which is hysterical nonsense. All of these would fit the description of a toxic worldview. Gina Carano is entitled to believe what she wants to believe, and say what she wants to say. But no company lets its employees say or do whatever they want without repercussion because once you're hired, you represent the company, and an actress in a Disney property is one of the most high-profile examples of it. You can be conservative in America. You can even have personal beliefs that might be more extreme than the norm. But if you are threatening the bottom line with your actions, you are expendable. So questioning the masks is toxic? Diminishing the conceit of preferred pronouns has no excuse in this day and age? She talks about the lack of transparency in our elections, which is equated one and the same with "a dangerous narrative" because some extremists agree with her? She compares the teaching of hatred for someone because they don't agree with the leading party's every whim with Nazi Germany? So what. This is nothing. People can and have said the same for ages about the right and they're celebrated for it. There is only one correct viewpoint, and any dissenting view must be eliminated. That is what is being taught every time someone is fired for their political beliefs. And you know what? That does lead to totalitarianism. I think her comments are stupid, but I will defend her right to say them. And Disney has the right to do what they want with their employees, but the double standard is insane.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 13, 2021 2:28:29 GMT
After taking a couple of days off. I think her retwitt was stupid and innacurate. After all Hitler won because the Kaiser was stupid and Lost the Big War. Thats never happened un the States If instead of a photo from the Nazi Age was a photo of someone trying to scape from the Berlín Wall. Should ve a Great goal for her.
Remember that the Honneckers Made the curtain to protect eastern people from fascism.
I have no proove, but not doubts that there are several Honneckers heirs un HOLLYWOOD and in the US congresos.
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Post by jakesully on Feb 16, 2021 15:18:33 GMT
Such a shame about her stupid tweets. But she can still sit on my face any day of the week
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 17, 2021 11:08:23 GMT
She was spreading anti-mask and anti-lockdown messages in the middle of a life-threatening pandemic. She diminished the conceit of preferred pronouns in the trans community (and while she did walk it back, come on, it's 2021 and there's no excuse for that shit in this day and age). She contributed to the dangerous narrative that the 2020 election was the result of widespread voter fraud, which we've already seen result in an attempted coup. She compared American conservatism to the Jewish persecution under Nazi Germany, which is hysterical nonsense. All of these would fit the description of a toxic worldview. Gina Carano is entitled to believe what she wants to believe, and say what she wants to say. But no company lets its employees say or do whatever they want without repercussion because once you're hired, you represent the company, and an actress in a Disney property is one of the most high-profile examples of it. You can be conservative in America. You can even have personal beliefs that might be more extreme than the norm. But if you are threatening the bottom line with your actions, you are expendable. So questioning the masks is toxic? Diminishing the conceit of preferred pronouns has no excuse in this day and age? She talks about the lack of transparency in our elections, which is equated one and the same with "a dangerous narrative" because some extremists agree with her? She compares the teaching of hatred for someone because they don't agree with the leading party's every whim with Nazi Germany? So what. This is nothing. People can and have said the same for ages about the right and they're celebrated for it. There is only one correct viewpoint, and any dissenting view must be eliminated. That is what is being taught every time someone is fired for their political beliefs. And you know what? That does lead to totalitarianism. I think her comments are stupid, but I will defend her right to say them. And Disney has the right to do what they want with their employees, but the double standard is insane. Many actors and musicians are antivaccine like Jim Carrey, Robert De Niro, Billy Corgan and none was fired for it, or calles nazis by the mob
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