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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 21, 2021 15:06:15 GMT
Well at least we have you to serve the right arguments. I’m not saying I’ve made any valid arguments outside of it being too early to do anything but speculate since there have been no relevant precursors outside of a few guild noms. But who is or isn’t talking about what? Where? Does anyone here have any idea what actual academy voters are talking about or how they feel? I’m guessing not but sure I could be wrong. If it’s chatter online or your personal circle then that is an irrelevant data set.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 21, 2021 16:06:16 GMT
But does a film like Nomadland, about a woman's journey, self discovery have that kind of out and out passion with older, conservative white male voters - which is still the primary demo of the Academy.
It's not just about a woman's self-discovery. It's about how Americans are holding up in the wake of a horrible recession, and the way that they maintain some semblance of the American spirit of perseverance and resilience. It's subtle, but it's strong. And I think Nomadland would appeal even to conservative voters; I know a few people who would fall into that demographic who absolutely adored it. It's still going to be difficult for a film that revolves solely on a female lead to win Best Picture. The Shape of Water was really more fantasy, adventure. You have to go all the way back to Million Dollar Baby.
You also can't discount relevance of Chicago 7 - an era that a lot of older Oscar voters lived through. Yet still timely.
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Post by stephen on Feb 21, 2021 16:22:02 GMT
It's not just about a woman's self-discovery. It's about how Americans are holding up in the wake of a horrible recession, and the way that they maintain some semblance of the American spirit of perseverance and resilience. It's subtle, but it's strong. And I think Nomadland would appeal even to conservative voters; I know a few people who would fall into that demographic who absolutely adored it. It's still going to be difficult for a film that revolves solely on a female lead to win Best Picture. The Shape of Water was really more fantasy, adventure. You have to go all the way back to Million Dollar Baby.
You also can't discount relevance of Chicago 7 - an era that a lot of older Oscar voters lived through. Yet still timely.
That's a side-effect of the gender disparity in Hollywood when it comes to quality films allowing for a female protagonist, something that younger voters (and not a few of the older ones) would be more than aware of and perfectly willing to correct. And Frances McDormand is a woman of a certain age, out there anchoring a film like this almost entirely on her own. That's going to garner a lot of respect among her contemporaries and peers. Nomadland fits a lot of the hallmarks for the post-expansion archetype of a winner. It's got an auteur's style, it's got a strong (if not polemic) message that has a lot of broad appeal, it crosses all sorts of demographics in its portrayal of those affected by the recession, and while there is an elegiac tone to it, it's has a positive and hopeful message to it. I'm not discounting the relevance of Trial at all, but it's far from the only relevant and timely film in competition. Hell, Judas and the Black Messiah takes place at the exact same time with very similar subject matter featuring some of the same characters, and it's squarely in competition with Trial in many of the key categories. And then there's One Night in Miami, which also deals with that very same era, and both ensembles have a more diverse perspective than Sorkin's film does, and already they are engendering a lot more positive discourse and passion from those who have seen them. Trial very much fits the pattern of a film that scores a lot of nominations because of the type of movie it is, but every single category it's in contention for, I think there's another film (if not several) that I feel the guilds would respond more strongly toward, and I think that's where the passion vote is going to work against it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 17:08:12 GMT
I voted for Nomadland, and I will definitely be rooting for it - The Trial of the Chicago 7 is just so... pedestrian.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 21, 2021 17:13:36 GMT
It's still going to be difficult for a film that revolves solely on a female lead to win Best Picture. The Shape of Water was really more fantasy, adventure. You have to go all the way back to Million Dollar Baby.
You also can't discount relevance of Chicago 7 - an era that a lot of older Oscar voters lived through. Yet still timely.
That's a side-effect of the gender disparity in Hollywood when it comes to quality films allowing for a female protagonist, something that younger voters (and not a few of the older ones) would be more than aware of and perfectly willing to correct. And Frances McDormand is a woman of a certain age, out there anchoring a film like this almost entirely on her own. That's going to garner a lot of respect among her contemporaries and peers. Nomadland fits a lot of the hallmarks for the post-expansion archetype of a winner. It's got an auteur's style, it's got a strong (if not polemic) message that has a lot of broad appeal, it crosses all sorts of demographics in its portrayal of those affected by the recession, and while there is an elegiac tone to it, it's has a positive and hopeful message to it. I'm not discounting the relevance of Trial at all, but it's far from the only relevant and timely film in competition. Hell, Judas and the Black Messiah takes place at the exact same time with very similar subject matter featuring some of the same characters, and it's squarely in competition with Trial in many of the key categories. And then there's One Night in Miami, which also deals with that very same era, and both ensembles have a more diverse perspective than Sorkin's film does, and already they are engendering a lot more positive discourse and passion from those who have seen them. Trial very much fits the pattern of a film that scores a lot of nominations because of the type of movie it is, but every single category it's in contention for, I think there's another film (if not several) that I feel the guilds would respond more strongly toward, and I think that's where the passion vote is going to work against it. All this is speculation at this point. Obviously if people don't like Chicago 7, every argument would be brought up as to why it won't win. My point is that it's a serious contender at this point. It has hit all the industry pre cursors. Let's see what happens with the Guilds. Because we all know the Critics favorite often does not translate into the Oscar winner.
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Post by stephen on Feb 21, 2021 17:15:29 GMT
That's a side-effect of the gender disparity in Hollywood when it comes to quality films allowing for a female protagonist, something that younger voters (and not a few of the older ones) would be more than aware of and perfectly willing to correct. And Frances McDormand is a woman of a certain age, out there anchoring a film like this almost entirely on her own. That's going to garner a lot of respect among her contemporaries and peers. Nomadland fits a lot of the hallmarks for the post-expansion archetype of a winner. It's got an auteur's style, it's got a strong (if not polemic) message that has a lot of broad appeal, it crosses all sorts of demographics in its portrayal of those affected by the recession, and while there is an elegiac tone to it, it's has a positive and hopeful message to it. I'm not discounting the relevance of Trial at all, but it's far from the only relevant and timely film in competition. Hell, Judas and the Black Messiah takes place at the exact same time with very similar subject matter featuring some of the same characters, and it's squarely in competition with Trial in many of the key categories. And then there's One Night in Miami, which also deals with that very same era, and both ensembles have a more diverse perspective than Sorkin's film does, and already they are engendering a lot more positive discourse and passion from those who have seen them. Trial very much fits the pattern of a film that scores a lot of nominations because of the type of movie it is, but every single category it's in contention for, I think there's another film (if not several) that I feel the guilds would respond more strongly toward, and I think that's where the passion vote is going to work against it. All this is speculation at this point. Obviously if people don't like Chicago 7, every argument would be brought up as to why it won't win. My point is that it's a serious contender at this point. It has hit all the industry pre cursors. Let's see what happens with the Guilds. Because we all know the Critics favorite often does not translate into the Oscar winner. Of course it's all speculation. And I am not discounting Trial as a contender. I just don't think it's favored to win over something like Nomadland, which has also hit every precursor it was expected to and has a monstrously strong critical and audience appreciation that is buzzing about in the ether. Industry voters may not necessarily abide by critical consensus, but they don't ignore it, either. The narrative is out there and people do know about it.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 21, 2021 18:52:02 GMT
All this is speculation at this point. Obviously if people don't like Chicago 7, every argument would be brought up as to why it won't win. My point is that it's a serious contender at this point. It has hit all the industry pre cursors. Let's see what happens with the Guilds. Because we all know the Critics favorite often does not translate into the Oscar winner. Of course it's all speculation. And I am not discounting Trial as a contender. I just don't think it's favored to win over something like Nomadland, which has also hit every precursor it was expected to and has a monstrously strong critical and audience appreciation that is buzzing about in the ether. Industry voters may not necessarily abide by critical consensus, but they don't ignore it, either. The narrative is out there and people do know about it. We'll know in 2 mos - or likely less than that - with the Guild results. At this point, what has changed with the Feb poll - is that with what we've seen from the industry so far, Chicago 7 it is a huge threat to win. More so than most of the films on this poll. Some won't even be nominated.
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Post by stephen on Feb 21, 2021 18:58:15 GMT
Of course it's all speculation. And I am not discounting Trial as a contender. I just don't think it's favored to win over something like Nomadland, which has also hit every precursor it was expected to and has a monstrously strong critical and audience appreciation that is buzzing about in the ether. Industry voters may not necessarily abide by critical consensus, but they don't ignore it, either. The narrative is out there and people do know about it. We'll know in 2 mos - or likely less than that - with the Guild results. At this point, what has changed with the Feb poll - is that with what we've seen from the industry so far, Chicago 7 it is a huge threat to win. More so than most of the films on this poll. Some won't even be nominated. Yep. Right now I can only really see three films taking Best Picture right now. Nomadland as the critical and audience favorite, Trial as the "safe choice," and Judas and the Black Messiah as the "late-breaking topical film." And the latter two are fighting for the same oxygen in the room, whereas Nomadland doesn't really have to deal with them in most of the potential categories.
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Post by mrimpossible on Feb 21, 2021 20:07:57 GMT
I voted for Nomadland, and I will definitely be rooting for it - The Trial of the Chicago 7 is just so... pedestrian. Pedestrian how???? Imo the strongest part of the film is how competently made and written it is. Just because the cinematography isn't flashy doesn't make it pedestrian. Also the cast itself is uniformly great, no one embarrasses themselves in it.
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Post by mrimpossible on Feb 21, 2021 20:09:41 GMT
We'll know in 2 mos - or likely less than that - with the Guild results. At this point, what has changed with the Feb poll - is that with what we've seen from the industry so far, Chicago 7 it is a huge threat to win. More so than most of the films on this poll. Some won't even be nominated. Yep. Right now I can only really see three films taking Best Picture right now. Nomadland as the critical and audience favorite, Trial as the "safe choice," and Judas and the Black Messiah as the "late-breaking topical film." And the latter two are fighting for the same oxygen in the room, whereas Nomadland doesn't really have to deal with them in most of the potential categories. Best Pictures are selected by a ranked system not by who gets the most #1 votes, so no 2 films are directly competing against each other.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Feb 21, 2021 20:47:57 GMT
This conservative demo is being overplayed. Yes, there still are the so called steak eaters, the older white male voters that tend to choose safer movies, but it's not really the majority anymore. Either that, or they have evolved their taste. Yes, we've had Green Book, but we've also had a lot of awards for movies that don't naturally appeal to that demographic. The steak-eater argument really is waning in the wake of Moonlight/The Shape of Water/Parasite. The shift to more esoteric winners is a direct correlation to the expanding of diversity within the Academy's ranks. As much as the expanding diversity within the Academy should be acknowledged, I think the “esoteric” nature of recent winners is somewhat overstated. Parasite may have been the first foreign-language film to win BP, but it was still extremely popular with audiences, and is ultimately a very crowdpleasing movie in spite of how unusual it might seem as a winner on the surface. Similarly, The Shape of Water seems like a “weird” winner at first glance, but it’s fundamentally a very formulaic movie and as a result was the least divisive film among the BP contenders. Moonlight had the benefit of the “importance” factor more than anything else, and while its win was a shock at the time, it’s easy to imagine why it did better on the preferential ballot than La La Land, which obviously had its fair share of detractors. The winner is always the “least disliked” film of the nominees, so usually it’s either a film that’s a crowdpleaser in some way or a film whose “importance” is undeniable in a way that overwhelms everything else (12 Years a Slave, Spotlight, Moonlight, etc.), or some combination of both. So while some of the recent winners seem unusual in terms of genre or surface-level features, they always make sense as winners relative to the other nominees because they’re all pretty accessible at their core. This is why I’m still not convinced that Nomadland will be our winner (despite the film festival audience awards it has won – not the same kind of audience as the Academy). As others have said, it feels very Roma-esque to me.
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Post by mrimpossible on Feb 21, 2021 20:51:52 GMT
The steak-eater argument really is waning in the wake of Moonlight/The Shape of Water/Parasite. The shift to more esoteric winners is a direct correlation to the expanding of diversity within the Academy's ranks. As much as the expanding diversity within the Academy should be acknowledged, I think the “esoteric” nature of recent winners is somewhat overstated. Parasite may have been the first foreign-language film to win BP, but it was still extremely popular with audiences, and is ultimately a very crowdpleasing movie in spite of how unusual it might seem as a winner on the surface. Similarly, The Shape of Water seems like a “weird” winner at first glance, but it’s fundamentally a very formulaic movie and as a result was the least divisive film among the BP contenders. Moonlight had the benefit of the “importance” factor more than anything else, and while its win was a shock at the time, it’s easy to imagine why it did better on the preferential ballot than La La Land, which obviously had its fair share of detractors. The winner is always the “least disliked” film of the nominees, so usually it’s either a film that’s a crowdpleaser in some way or a film whose “importance” is undeniable in a way that overwhelms everything else (12 Years a Slave, Spotlight, Moonlight, etc.), or some combination of both. So while some of the recent winners seem unusual in terms of genre or surface-level features, they always make sense as winners relative to the other nominees because they’re all pretty accessible at their core. This is why I’m still not convinced that Nomadland will be our winner (despite the film festival audience awards it has won – not the same kind of audience as the Academy). As others have said, it feels very Roma-esque to me. I'd also add that Shape of Water was also very accessible to audiences. The audience that I saw it with had no problems following the story which was rather simple and straight-forward. Woman falls in love and gets in a relationship under difficult obstacles and circumstances. I mean it's pretty much a retelling of the beauty and the beast story... It was a crowd-pleaser.
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Post by stephen on Feb 21, 2021 21:03:02 GMT
The steak-eater argument really is waning in the wake of Moonlight/The Shape of Water/Parasite. The shift to more esoteric winners is a direct correlation to the expanding of diversity within the Academy's ranks. As much as the expanding diversity within the Academy should be acknowledged, I think the “esoteric” nature of recent winners is somewhat overstated. Parasite may have been the first foreign-language film to win BP, but it was still extremely popular with audiences, and is ultimately a very crowdpleasing movie in spite of how unusual it might seem as a winner on the surface. Similarly, The Shape of Water seems like a “weird” winner at first glance, but it’s fundamentally a very formulaic movie and as a result was the least divisive film among the BP contenders. Moonlight had the benefit of the “importance” factor more than anything else, and while its win was a shock at the time, it’s easy to imagine why it did better on the preferential ballot than La La Land, which obviously had its fair share of detractors. The winner is always the “least disliked” film of the nominees, so usually it’s either a film that’s a crowdpleaser in some way or a film whose “importance” is undeniable in a way that overwhelms everything else (12 Years a Slave, Spotlight, Moonlight, etc.), or some combination of both. So while some of the recent winners seem unusual in terms of genre or surface-level features, they always make sense as winners relative to the other nominees because they’re all pretty accessible at their core. This is why I’m still not convinced that Nomadland will be our winner (despite the film festival audience awards it has won – not the same kind of audience as the Academy). As others have said, it feels very Roma-esque to me. This is all very fair to bring up (and when I say "esoteric," I'm talking comparatively to what the Academy is used to recognizing; I'm not talking about something like Inland Empire), but Nomadland isn't exactly that out there in comparison to those films. It's a straightforward, simple film to follow. And I don't see people disliking it to the extent that people would be putting it at the bottom of their preferential ballot. Maybe it is Roma 2.0. But people were saying Parasite would get pigeonholed (and indeed that exact same label was thrown out last awards season, despite the films not being similar in any way), and look what happened. The Academy is a fickle beast, and this is a weird-ass year regardless. Nomadland has weathered the entire season without any backlash. That's impressive.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 21, 2021 22:55:17 GMT
We'll know in 2 mos - or likely less than that - with the Guild results. At this point, what has changed with the Feb poll - is that with what we've seen from the industry so far, Chicago 7 it is a huge threat to win. More so than most of the films on this poll. Some won't even be nominated. Yep. Right now I can only really see three films taking Best Picture right now. Nomadland as the critical and audience favorite, Trial as the "safe choice," and Judas and the Black Messiah as the "late-breaking topical film." And the latter two are fighting for the same oxygen in the room, whereas Nomadland doesn't really have to deal with them in most of the potential categories. That doesn't make any sense for Best Picture - which is determined by preferential ranking - and not by popular vote.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Feb 21, 2021 23:01:43 GMT
As much as the expanding diversity within the Academy should be acknowledged, I think the “esoteric” nature of recent winners is somewhat overstated. Parasite may have been the first foreign-language film to win BP, but it was still extremely popular with audiences, and is ultimately a very crowdpleasing movie in spite of how unusual it might seem as a winner on the surface. Similarly, The Shape of Water seems like a “weird” winner at first glance, but it’s fundamentally a very formulaic movie and as a result was the least divisive film among the BP contenders. Moonlight had the benefit of the “importance” factor more than anything else, and while its win was a shock at the time, it’s easy to imagine why it did better on the preferential ballot than La La Land, which obviously had its fair share of detractors. The winner is always the “least disliked” film of the nominees, so usually it’s either a film that’s a crowdpleaser in some way or a film whose “importance” is undeniable in a way that overwhelms everything else (12 Years a Slave, Spotlight, Moonlight, etc.), or some combination of both. So while some of the recent winners seem unusual in terms of genre or surface-level features, they always make sense as winners relative to the other nominees because they’re all pretty accessible at their core. This is why I’m still not convinced that Nomadland will be our winner (despite the film festival audience awards it has won – not the same kind of audience as the Academy). As others have said, it feels very Roma-esque to me. This is all very fair to bring up (and when I say "esoteric," I'm talking comparatively to what the Academy is used to recognizing; I'm not talking about something like Inland Empire), but Nomadland isn't exactly that out there in comparison to those films. It's a straightforward, simple film to follow. And I don't see people disliking it to the extent that people would be putting it at the bottom of their preferential ballot. Maybe it is Roma 2.0. But people were saying Parasite would get pigeonholed (and indeed that exact same label was thrown out last awards season, despite the films not being similar in any way), and look what happened. The Academy is a fickle beast, and this is a weird-ass year regardless. Nomadland has weathered the entire season without any backlash. That's impressive. The film may be straightforward and simple to follow, but I don’t think that always translates to accessibility. You could argue that the film is almost too simple in the sense that it’s not very plot-driven, and I’ve seen a lot of people describe the film as “aimless,” which just doesn’t really scream Best Picture winner imo. Accessibility to me also suggests something with more of a clear structure to the storytelling that pulls the viewer in, which all the recent BP winners have (Birdman might actually be the weirdest winner of this past decade in that respect, but it beat out Boyhood, which is even looser in its structure). Even in a strange year, Nomadland still doesn’t feel right to me.
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Post by stephen on Feb 21, 2021 23:05:02 GMT
Yep. Right now I can only really see three films taking Best Picture right now. Nomadland as the critical and audience favorite, Trial as the "safe choice," and Judas and the Black Messiah as the "late-breaking topical film." And the latter two are fighting for the same oxygen in the room, whereas Nomadland doesn't really have to deal with them in most of the potential categories. That doesn't make any sense for Best Picture - which is determined by preferential ranking - and not by popular vote. I'm not just talking about Best Picture. I'm talking about all categories they are eligible for, especially Original Screenplay, Supporting Actor and Editing. Judas and Trial are fighting against each other for those, and they would need at least one of those prizes to validate a Picture win, because no film since 1935 has won Best Picture without a correlating second prize. Because regardless of the difference between BP's ballot and the other categories, if a film is going to win the top prize, they are favored to win somewhere else.
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Post by stephen on Feb 21, 2021 23:07:04 GMT
This is all very fair to bring up (and when I say "esoteric," I'm talking comparatively to what the Academy is used to recognizing; I'm not talking about something like Inland Empire), but Nomadland isn't exactly that out there in comparison to those films. It's a straightforward, simple film to follow. And I don't see people disliking it to the extent that people would be putting it at the bottom of their preferential ballot. Maybe it is Roma 2.0. But people were saying Parasite would get pigeonholed (and indeed that exact same label was thrown out last awards season, despite the films not being similar in any way), and look what happened. The Academy is a fickle beast, and this is a weird-ass year regardless. Nomadland has weathered the entire season without any backlash. That's impressive. The film may be straightforward and simple to follow, but I don’t think that always translates to accessibility. You could argue that the film is almost too simple in the sense that it’s not very plot-driven, and I’ve seen a lot of people describe the film as “aimless,” which just doesn’t really scream Best Picture winner imo. Accessibility to me also suggests something with more of a clear structure to the storytelling that pulls the viewer in, which all the recent BP winners have (Birdman might actually be the weirdest winner of this past decade in that respect, but it beat out Boyhood, which is even looser in its structure). Even in a strange year, Nomadland still doesn’t feel right to me. And I can respect this (and shout-out to Birdman as our weirdest winner, because the strangeness of that film is often overlooked because of the Hollywood factor). And there is something to be said for structure being essential for Best Picture winners because, for the most part, they are screenplay-driven. Nomadland would buck that trend. But I feel like this would be the year, and with the competition it's got, where that would happen.
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Post by mrimpossible on Feb 21, 2021 23:09:46 GMT
That doesn't make any sense for Best Picture - which is determined by preferential ranking - and not by popular vote. I'm not just talking about Best Picture. I'm talking about all categories they are eligible for, especially Original Screenplay, Supporting Actor and Editing. Judas and Trial are fighting against each other for those, and they would need at least one of those prizes to validate a Picture win, because no film since 1935 has won Best Picture without a correlating second prize. Because regardless of the difference between BP's ballot and the other categories, if a film is going to win the top prize, they are favored to win somewhere else. Honestly even a BP nom for Judas is in doubt, let alone a win... It's competing against Soul and Da 5 Bloods for that last screenplay spot. Editing is hard to predict, it's always a tricky category.
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Post by filmnoir on Feb 21, 2021 23:19:24 GMT
That doesn't make any sense for Best Picture - which is determined by preferential ranking - and not by popular vote. I'm not just talking about Best Picture. I'm talking about all categories they are eligible for, especially Original Screenplay, Supporting Actor and Editing. Judas and Trial are fighting against each other for those, and they would need at least one of those prizes to validate a Picture win, because no film since 1935 has won Best Picture without a correlating second prize. Because regardless of the difference between BP's ballot and the other categories, if a film is going to win the top prize, they are favored to win somewhere else. Judas is a huge unknown at this point. It did not make the BAFTA short list for Picture or Director.
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Post by stephen on Feb 21, 2021 23:24:55 GMT
I'm not just talking about Best Picture. I'm talking about all categories they are eligible for, especially Original Screenplay, Supporting Actor and Editing. Judas and Trial are fighting against each other for those, and they would need at least one of those prizes to validate a Picture win, because no film since 1935 has won Best Picture without a correlating second prize. Because regardless of the difference between BP's ballot and the other categories, if a film is going to win the top prize, they are favored to win somewhere else. Judas is a huge unknown at this point. It did not make the BAFTA short list for Picture or Director. This is true, but it's the only other film than Nomadland and Trial that I can see winning. I mean, I suppose if I squint I can see a path for Promising Young Woman (especially as I see it winning two above-the-line categories), but I don't feel as comfortable in predicting that.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Feb 21, 2021 23:30:36 GMT
Judas is a huge unknown at this point. It did not make the BAFTA short list for Picture or Director. I mean, I suppose if I squint I can see a path for Promising Young Woman (especially as I see it winning two above-the-line categories), but I don't feel as comfortable in predicting that.
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Post by stephen on Feb 21, 2021 23:31:32 GMT
I mean, I suppose if I squint I can see a path for Promising Young Woman (especially as I see it winning two above-the-line categories), but I don't feel as comfortable in predicting that.God, how rad would that be?
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Post by Good God on Feb 21, 2021 23:46:24 GMT
I'm leaning toward The Trial of the Chicago 7.
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Post by mrimpossible on Feb 22, 2021 0:10:10 GMT
If Trial wins Best Picture, I'm predicting 3-4 Oscars in total for it. Picture, Supporting Actor, Original Screenplay, and Editing.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 22, 2021 0:18:23 GMT
God, how rad would that be? My dream scenario is for PMY to win BP, Director, and Screenplay along with Actress.
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