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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 31, 2021 17:55:19 GMT
These guys have all seen better days in their careers. Al Pacino's 3 favorite actors of the younger generation he considered behind him (he also worked with all 3 of them, when they were at their best), all were once seen as top shelf prestige actors in the 2000's, but all faced huge career downturns in the 2010's and haven't really been near sniffing another acting nomination since.
Crowe however has probably done the best to maintain his value as a prestige actor, winning a Golden Globe for The Loudest Voice in 2020 and being nominated for several other major awards including SAG. Of course, these were TV awards, and AMPAS may simply be over Crowe since his 2000's heyday. He hasn't had a performance that demanded Oscar consideration in a while, but he feels more than capable of delivering one.
Penn hasn't looked likely or capable of giving an Oscar bound performance for over a decade. Poor choices with vehicles as well as misjudged performances have left him in a sort of no-mans land as an actor. But he still has a lot of friends in the industry, and I can see him getting a supporting role in an Oscar level film again one of these days.
Depp's problems run deep. I think just making sure his career recovers is the priority over thinking of another Oscar nod.
In terms of likelyhood, mine is
1 Crowe, because he is the best actor of the three and still doing good work.
2 Penn, not doing good work and not that relevant, but still connected enough to get in a baity movie and perhaps get lucky again.
3 Depp. Career and life is a mess. We'll see if he recovers, but Oscar nods don't seem likely for him anytime soon.
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Post by stephen on Jan 31, 2021 18:09:42 GMT
I definitely could see a comeback supporting nod for Crowe. I'd love to also see him get some love as a director, as I thought The Water Diviner was fine work.
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Post by flasuss on Jan 31, 2021 18:11:11 GMT
Crowe easily. He never stopped working, and is still widely respected. He could pull of a nomination next year or so and no one would really be shocked, and I could even see him getting a 2nd one.
Penn could if he gets his act together, though his days of winning are done.
Depp was done with prestige work long before his current troubles. It's over for him.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 31, 2021 18:16:54 GMT
Crowe easily. He never stopped working, and is still widely respected. He could pull of a nomination next year or so and no one would really be shocked, and I could even see him getting a 2nd one. Penn could if he gets his act together, though his days of winning are done. Depp was done with prestige work long before his current troubles. It's over for him. I don't think Crowe is liked enough in the industry to ever win a 2nd Oscar. He was fortunate to win his 1st Oscar before people discovered that they didn't like him that much. Otherwise he may never have won at all.Even George Clooney said last year that he still holds a grudge against Crowe for essentially calling him, Harrison Ford and Robert DeNiro sell-outs for doing commercials. I think the best Crowe can hope for is a comeback nomination.
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Post by flasuss on Jan 31, 2021 18:18:47 GMT
Depends on the performance, really. I don't think Waltz or Ali or Iñarritu were "beloved" people in the industry, though just didn't have any or much haters.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 31, 2021 18:24:48 GMT
I hate to say this because at various times I loved all these guys but ........ none. Crowe - To me is a joke and an unfunny one. He was great for 10 years - 91-01 and I haven't found him great since or good much either. He is the steepest decline of talent maybe of anyone ever maybe imo - and if not (Steiger, Scott, Hoffman are usually contenders to some people etc), he at least lost it at a younger age than anyone. He was only 37 in 2001 when I soured on him. On some level, I'd like to punch him in the face. Depp - Loved him through much of the 90s and found him creative and imaginative but I don't think he cares anymore. Penn - He went off a cliff after Milk and I actually like some of HIS most recent work - The Professor and The Madman (parts of it), This Must Be The Place (underrated), The First (parts of it)) - but I think he's content to sit on 2 Oscars, direct a movie here and there and involve himself in political things these days. THIS guy - Colin Farrell will be nominated before them and you know, Pacino said it about him too because he may be the GOAT but he's definitely a senile midget who says a lot of goofy stuff. Whoever can score him Cialis is the best actor basically...... Pacino later stated that Farrell was the best actor of his generation. www.imdb.com/name/nm0268199/bio
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 31, 2021 18:25:39 GMT
Depends on the performance, really. I don't think Waltz or Ali or Iñarritu were "beloved" people in the industry, though just didn't have any or much haters. That's exactly the point. It's not that you need to be "beloved" (god knows Waltz isn't) but you can't have too many people in the industry actively think you are an asshole (which many, like Clooney, see Crowe as). Ali, like Waltz is just an inoffensive guy. Crowe has offended a lot of people. I suppose a lot of people in the industry thought Marlon Brando was an asshole and they still gave him a 2nd Oscar, but Crowe isn't Brando, and I don't see him appearing in something like The Godfather anytime soon.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 31, 2021 18:31:18 GMT
Never once seen an interview where Pacino referred to Farrell as " the best actor of his generation". Won't buy it till I see a credible interview source or link. IMDB is a useless source. Farrell himself can literally edit his page to say Pacino said that about him
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Post by morton on Jan 31, 2021 18:37:35 GMT
I think at this point it’s unlikely for any of them, but I voted for Penn. He just needs to go back to acting regularly, and I think he could get a comeback nomination considering he’s a two-time winner. He seems more interested in his activist work and directing right now though, so I don’t expect an acting comeback to happen anytime soon.
Of the three, I can see the arguments for Crowe, but I feel he’s so far from his peak and only falling more and more from that, that I don’t see him even getting a comeback nomination. It’s possible, but there’s so much competition especially in his age range that I think there’s more reliable and/or more prestigious actors that will tend to get the best roles first.
It’s over for Depp unless he gets his life together and really puts in the effort to get in everyone’s good graces which might not ever happen, but knowing the public probably could, but sadly at this point I don’t think he’ll be ever to get his life together since he only surrounds himself with yes people.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 31, 2021 18:51:12 GMT
www.fansshare.com/news/al-pacino-s-praise-of-colin-farrell-sits-well-with-him/It was on the Biography channel TV show on The Recruit originally iirc (?) .......anyway......ymmv on the validity of it .......but regardless, my answer remains ...... none of the 3 guys in this poll. *********************************************************************************************** While Colin Farrell said that he was petrified by working with such a legend of the industry, Al Pacino was equally as pleased to have worked with Colin. When talking about working with Colin Farrell, Al Pacino claimed that he was so impressed with the talent of Colin Farrell, that he considers him to be "the best actor of his generation", praise which has sat well with Colin.
During a recent interview with Allison Walker, Farrell said, "He must've fallen off the wagon, did he, that night? Ah, that's cool. I'm not going to argue that. I'm going to say Al's a very wise man. [He has] impeccable taste."With Heath Ledger who he also called the best actor of his generation - j/k
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 31, 2021 19:33:12 GMT
All three of these actors probably literally have small chances of getting a nomination right now, but they're all-in different categories. Both Crowe and Penn maybe have a chance to get back into conversation, especially if they return to more prestigey type fair, but Crowe is hardly in the best respect and or place of his career, and Penn's politics have literally overcome his acting category. I could however maybe a small chance of Crowe getting a nomination for a well-respected supporting turn into a critical acclaim "small movie", same with Penn.
I think Depp is done for good, though. Aside from his personal life being an absolute nightmare and mess, he also hasn't been in a widely seen since that second Fantastic Beasts movie. Both of his recent “weird movies” were little seen. One of them that Tupac / Biggie murder mystery flick City of Lies, literally came and went without a trace. Hard to see him getting back into the Oscar conservation at all.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 31, 2021 19:37:23 GMT
To be honest, even if Pacino did say that about Farrell, it wouldn't be a hugely outlandish statement to make at the time, imho. Crowe, Penn and Depp are all at least 10+ years older than Farrell, so odds are decent Pacino did not group him in their generation.
The guys who would go on to dominate Farrell's generation (DiCaprio, Bale, Phoenix) had all done good work circa 2003, but nothing to yet establish them above and beyond their peer group. At that point, you could really pick any good actor around that age group and claim they were the "Best Actor Of Their Generation" and it wouldn't seem that odd (though I'd say Edward Norton was the clear standout then). That generation still had a lot of work ahead of them to set themselves apart. And Farrell had an impressive and rangy string of performances in a short space of time before he worked with Pacino (Tigerland, Phone Booth, Minority Report) so I could see why he saw him as having the most potential in his age group. Most of Hollywood did at the time. Pacino was working with the information he had at the time. Hardly a terrible call.
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Post by countjohn on Jan 31, 2021 20:22:02 GMT
None of these guys are in overly great shape, but I could always see Crowe getting a great old man part or pulling down a coattail nod with a supporting role in a big Oscar movie. Penn just hasn't been on the map at all in like ten years and everyone knows about Depp's issues.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jan 31, 2021 20:33:12 GMT
Penn seems out of baity movies in baity roles. Depp will never recover 100%.
I too say Crowe.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 31, 2021 20:35:44 GMT
Wonder why Ridley Scott just doesn't cast Crowe in a movie again, even in a supporting role?
Inconsistent as Scott is, most of his movies are percieved to at least have awards season potential (till they are seen). I know Crowe and Scott are still chummy and friends, so it's interesting that they seem to have completely parted ways professionally. I could see Crowe in Scott's Gucci film.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 31, 2021 20:42:31 GMT
Wonder why Ridley Scott just doesn't cast Crowe in a movie again, even in a supporting role? Inconsistent as Scott is, most of his movies are percieved to at least have awards season potential (till they are seen). I know Crowe and Scott are still chummy and friends, so it's interesting that they seem to have completely parted ways professionally. I could see Crowe in Scott's Gucci film. I feel like the critical and commercial reception to their Robin Hood movie basically led the two to part ways for a while. It's not too dissimilar to what happened to Burton and Depp after Dark Shadows, however unlike that duo, I could actually see Scott and Crowe reteaming in the future, just apparently not anytime soon.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jan 31, 2021 20:47:40 GMT
Wonder why Ridley Scott just doesn't cast Crowe in a movie again, even in a supporting role? Inconsistent as Scott is, most of his movies are percieved to at least have awards season potential (till they are seen). I know Crowe and Scott are still chummy and friends, so it's interesting that they seem to have completely parted ways professionally. I could see Crowe in Scott's Gucci film. I feel like the critical and commercial reception to their Robin Hood movie basically led the two to part ways for a while. It's not too dissimilar to what happened to Burton and Depp after Dark Shadows, however unlike that duo, I could actually see Scott and Crowe reteaming in the future, just apparently not anytime soon. Oh I get that it made sense for them to take a break from each other due to diminishing returns. But it's been 11 years since Robin Hood and Scott has directed 7 movies since then. Just surprised they haven't gotten a reunion done sooner.
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Post by countjohn on Jan 31, 2021 20:47:42 GMT
Wonder why Ridley Scott just doesn't cast Crowe in a movie again, even in a supporting role? Inconsistent as Scott is, most of his movies are percieved to at least have awards season potential (till they are seen). I know Crowe and Scott are still chummy and friends, so it's interesting that they seem to have completely parted ways professionally. I could see Crowe in Scott's Gucci film. I feel like the critical and commercial reception to their Robin Hood movie basically led the two to part ways for a while. It's not too dissimilar to what happened to Burton and Depp after Dark Shadows, however unlike that duo, I could actually see Scott and Crowe reteaming in the future, just apparently not anytime soon. Did Depp and Burton have a personal falling out or did they just stop making movies? Burton throwing Depp a bone might be his only shot at this point.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 31, 2021 20:50:26 GMT
I feel like the critical and commercial reception to their Robin Hood movie basically led the two to part ways for a while. It's not too dissimilar to what happened to Burton and Depp after Dark Shadows, however unlike that duo, I could actually see Scott and Crowe reteaming in the future, just apparently not anytime soon. Did Depp and Burton have a personal falling out or did they just stop making movies? Burton throwing Depp a bone might be his only shot at this point. I haven't heard anything negative regarding the two, it's just that Dark Shadows was such a failure, that they basically parted ways as a result. Also it doesn't help that Burton probably considers Depp to be a liability, and his career is already on potential shaky ground after Dumbo's underperformance. I have no doubt he still considers Depp to be a friend, however.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 31, 2021 20:50:41 GMT
I feel like the critical and commercial reception to their Robin Hood movie basically led the two to part ways for a while. It's not too dissimilar to what happened to Burton and Depp after Dark Shadows, however unlike that duo, I could actually see Scott and Crowe reteaming in the future, just apparently not anytime soon. Did Depp and Burton have a personal falling out or did they just stop making movies? Burton throwing Depp a bone might be his only shot at this point. Supposedly Burton wants Depp to star in his new Adams Family series.
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Post by franklin on Jan 31, 2021 20:52:32 GMT
I agree, seem to me that all these actors are absolutely past their prime in terms of acting chops, movie star charisma and looks and no one in the film industry or among renowned filmmakers is clamoring for their return.
Crowe, it seems like he's making a remake of the french crime film The Prophet, but nothing official and nothing so promising that it could guarantee him a comeback.
Depp is dead career wise, but honestly due to his bizarre eclectic acting style aside from Tim Burton, he was never requested that much by other A-list filmmakers.
Weirdly enough i see Sean Penn as the one with most chances as he's close friends with Alejandro Inarritu, he was the first choice for Fitzgerald in The Revenant, but he had to drop out because he had to make that laughable movie with Charlize Theron and Javier Bardem and got replaced by Hardy.
He's also been seen recently talking with PTA, another acquaintance, he was visiting him on the set of his new film. He's trying to use his acquaintances to make a comeback, wouldn't be surprised if it's announced that he'll be in the next Inarritu film.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 31, 2021 20:54:37 GMT
I feel like the critical and commercial reception to their Robin Hood movie basically led the two to part ways for a while. It's not too dissimilar to what happened to Burton and Depp after Dark Shadows, however unlike that duo, I could actually see Scott and Crowe reteaming in the future, just apparently not anytime soon. Oh I get that it made sense for them to take a break from each other due to diminishing returns. But it's been 11 years since Robin Hood and Scott has directed 7 movies since then. Just surprised they haven't gotten a reunion done sooner. It honestly wouldn't surprise me at all if Scott just wants to work with different actors for nearly every single one of his films these days. His casting has been quite diverse as of late, in terms of the number of big names who appear in his movies.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 1, 2021 1:14:06 GMT
I guess Crowe. He's the most talented of the three, has lost the least amount of his talent, and seems due for a fluke success at some point. I can see him getting a role in a Leo film this decade and securing a supporting nom.
Penn seems too distanced from acting.
Depp's name seems too toxic right now; which A-list directors besides Tim Burton are going to offer him a meaty role in the midst of his chaotic personal life?
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