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Post by stephen on Jan 16, 2021 5:53:10 GMT
Right off the bat, I have to say, it's weird to watch a Paul Greengrass movie and not get motion-sickness.
Anyway, much as Ford v. Ferrari was last year, this is a perfect example of a dad movie. And I say that in a good way; this is the sort of easygoing, old-fashioned yarn that doesn't require a whole lot from its audience except to kick back and watch Tom Hanks be his natural self in a Western milieu. It doesn't re-invent the wheel or anything, but the craft on display is very strong (special props go to Mark Bridges's costume design and Dariusz Wolski's cinematography, which has some breathtaking moments). Helena Zengel is the real star of the show, though, giving one of the finest child performances in the last several years, and who forcefully reminded me of the late great Linda Manz at times. Zengel's the sort of person Malick would work wonders with.
In short, I genuinely enjoyed it, and at less than a two-hour runtime, it does exactly what it needs to do and gets out without mucking about.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 16, 2021 16:30:52 GMT
It's an extremely dad movie, part of the ever growing genre of "Tom Hanks is great at his job". I mostly really enjoyed it and Helena Zengel was very good, but probably the most impressive thing was seeing Paul Greengrass completely toss away the shaky cam, and actually direct some really effective scenes without it. There's a shootout in particular halfway through that's mighty impressive.
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Post by stephen on Jan 16, 2021 16:41:40 GMT
It's an extremely dad movie, part of the ever growing genre of "Tom Hanks is great at his job". I mostly really enjoyed it and Helena Zengel was very good, but probably the most impressive thing was seeing Paul Greengrass completely toss away the shaky cam, and actually direct some really effective scenes without it. There's a shootout in particular halfway through that's mighty impressive. That shootout was rad. I gotta say, this felt like the closest thing to an Anthony Mann movie made in the new millennium that we've ever had. Put a black-and-white filter on this movie and you could think it was a lost Jimmy Stewart Western.
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Post by finniussnrub on Jan 16, 2021 17:01:03 GMT
Liked the shootout, Hanks and Zengel, otherwise found it quite dull honestly. Felt its attempts at illustrating its themes of storytelling fell flat, and the whole heritage, and life of Zengel's character felt underdeveloped given not once do they interact with an actual native that isn't at some great distance from the viewer. Love a good western, but found this one often a bit of a trudge to get through.
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Post by rom on Jan 16, 2021 19:48:52 GMT
Liked the shootout, Hanks and Zengel, otherwise found it quite dull honestly. Felt its attempts at illustrating its themes of storytelling fell flat, and the whole heritage, and life of Zengel's character felt underdeveloped given not once do they interact with an actual native that isn't at some great distance from the viewer. Love a good western, but found this one often a bit of a trudge to get through. It would've been more interesting if it was completely from Johanna's pov, and we got some scenes before her meeting up with Kidd.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jan 16, 2021 20:39:58 GMT
I was expecting the cinematography to be good based on the trailers but some of the shots in this were absolutely lovely. I was pleasantly surprised by that.
I agree that maybe it doesn’t do anything new but it does it well.
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Post by JangoB on Jan 17, 2021 19:58:44 GMT
Hell of a solid western road movie. Enjoyed it quite a bit. I like its steady pace, its warm character moments and its feeling of the surroundings on the screen. Hanks gives another completely wonderful performance sure to be overlooked by, well, every awards group. Not many think of him in those terms but to me he's a master of subtle dramatic acting - I've always enjoyed how unexpectedly subdued his on-screen emotions and reactions usually are, and this movie is another example of him doing wonderful work which looks effortless and brims with life and honesty.
Somehow Greengrass found better use for Dariusz Wolski than Ridley Scott's been doing in all of his latest movies. I wasn't a fan of how the trailers looked visually but in the context of the film I found the photography to be quite terrific for the most part. I kind of loved how the indoor scenes looked, really giving you a feeling of the atmosphere of those dim rooms. Loved that detail with Hanks always having to kneel down to his papers to even see what the heck is written on them because of the lack of light.
Not a perfect or astonishing film by any means (and I was really bothered by that CG boulder tbh) but strong one for sure.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 18, 2021 14:49:09 GMT
Really dug this. Greengrass did a great job directing and the rest of the techs (cinematography, production design, costume design, etc...) were excellent. Hanks was solid and Zengel was fantastic. Thinking this gets a slew of noms and wins a few techs.
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Post by mhynson27 on Jan 18, 2021 14:56:08 GMT
Really dug this. Greengrass did a great job directing and the rest of the techs (cinematography, production design, costume design, etc...) were excellent. Hanks was solid and Zengel was fantastic. Thinking this gets a slew of noms and wins a few techs. Which ones?
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 18, 2021 16:25:39 GMT
Really dug this. Greengrass did a great job directing and the rest of the techs (cinematography, production design, costume design, etc...) were excellent. Hanks was solid and Zengel was fantastic. Thinking this gets a slew of noms and wins a few techs. Which ones? Possibly for production design, score, costume design, and sound. Depends how stuff like Mank or even First Cow play in some of those categories.
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Post by mhynson27 on Jan 19, 2021 1:20:25 GMT
Possibly for production design, score, costume design, and sound. Depends how stuff like Mank or even First Cow play in some of those categories. I would be truly shocked if Reznor/Ross don't win Score, and despite peoples complaints about it, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Tenet takes Sound. Depending on how Sound of Metal performs overall, I could maybe see that taking Sound instead.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 19, 2021 2:10:30 GMT
Possibly for production design, score, costume design, and sound. Depends how stuff like Mank or even First Cow play in some of those categories. I would be truly shocked if Reznor/Ross don't win Score, and despite peoples complaints about it, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Tenet takes Sound. Depending on how Sound of Metal performs overall, I could maybe see that taking Sound instead. Don’t really disagree with any of that.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 20, 2021 4:26:21 GMT
so, one of my criticisms of the book was that it felt too slight and that the relationship between Captain Kidd and Johanna was underbaked. Those issues are multiplied in the film which despite a 2-hour length feels incredibly inconsequential (worth noting that the audiobook was only like 5 hours so it's not like this is a long book to adapt). The film is essentially a road movie, following the book's structure, but I could count on one hand the main events featured in the plot whereas in the book it'd probably take two hands. There's the standoff with the trafficking bandits, the riot in that backwater town, and like... a sandstorm, and for the amount of time a couple of them take up, not much of that time is devoted to developing the core relationship and getting it to where it needs to be for the emotional payoff at the end. Part of this is due to the language barrier between the captain and Johanna which is pulled directly from the novel. It's hard to develop a meaningful narrative relationship (especially on film with time constraints) when you have to waste minutes having them teach each other words like "good" and "bird." But the lack of plot doesn't help either. There's so little than happens in this film. I'll say this too: despite the book's flaws , the climactic moment between the captain and Johanna actually was quite moving, because even though it was underwritten the subtext was clearly that Johanna had become like a daughter to this man whose days of parenting (and most everything else) were long behind him. Traveling with and protecting her is a lifeline for him to grab and hold onto and he doesn't realize how much he needs her until he leaves Johanna on that farm. You lose a lot of that in the movie. A lot of it. Zengel is quite good (not Systemcrasher-good, but good), and Hanks is ok but doesn't tap into the character's inner life nearly enough. He's restrained to a fault. There's practically no intensity. The cinematography is pretty but more evidence that Delbonnel's cinematography for Buster Scruggs really was exceptional because not all films that take place in these landscapes, including this one, look *that* good. The costumes by Mark Bridges are fine. Pretty basic rustic Western costumes, and not many of them because a lot of the runtime is just two people in a wagon. David Crank's boilerplate production design is unexciting for the same reason.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jan 23, 2021 14:33:41 GMT
I really enjoyed it.
To be honest, I always enjoy a feel-good Tom Hanks movie and this was exactly that. Nothing groundbreaking but an easygoing, warm road-western. Very good job in some techs (PD, sound, cinematography). Hanks is good as always, playing his usual "Good ol' Hanx" character. Very subtle performance. Zengel is fantastic. She delivers a great child performance being mostly silent!!
Overall it was an entertaining two hour film. I give it a 7/10.
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Post by Nikan on Jan 23, 2021 15:01:27 GMT
I stopped watching around 30 minutes in (just didn't care for it) but remember a fair amount of shaky-cam
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jan 30, 2021 5:32:36 GMT
After getting fully vaccinated Monday, I decided to treat myself to my first trip to the movies in about a year. I am here to report back the very unsurprising news that I enjoyed the new Paul Greengrass/Tom Hanks movie.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 30, 2021 11:13:11 GMT
6.5+ close to 7/10
This film works almost entirely within what it's trying to do - looks beautiful and sustains until the ending - it's comfortable and amiable in the best sense. Would I watch it again - nah, but I certainly didn't mind seeing it once.
I sometimes make fun of Tom Hanks for being too wholesome - but that says more about me than it does him. His ability to inhabit good, decent, honorable men and find some distinct wrinkle or nuance is nearly unparalleled in film history - like Jimmy Stewart and ......who else?
That's not something to disregard ....it's quite skillful......and rare.......and taken for granted.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 31, 2021 1:17:10 GMT
No interest in even watching this. Greengrass hasn't impressed me since The Bourne Supremacy. Hanks is going to have to find some sustenance beyond Spielberg soon, or become an afterthought.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Feb 1, 2021 17:23:47 GMT
The movie is obviously pretty mediocre, but what disappointment me most is that on paper, the role teased a bit more edge and darkness that what we’re used to seeing from Hanks. But he plays it exactly as one would expect. Zengel is actually the highlight of the film and nothing except for the shootout about midway was of interest to me. Nice cinematography, though.
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Post by flasuss on Feb 10, 2021 11:05:27 GMT
This was pretty good, nothing world-changing, but sometimes you don't need that. Great performances by Zengel and the ever-so underrated these days Tom Hanks, and at just two hours, it doesn't overstay it's welcome.
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Post by Pavan on Feb 16, 2021 18:44:20 GMT
A beautiful and touching road film. Refreshing to see a Paul Greengrass with very little shaky cam. If my memory serves right i think is the first western for Tom Hanks and he did a pretty good job even though doesn't look like the typical western hero. Helena Zengel is what keeps this film away from the usual fare. A tad familiar here and there totally a worthy trip- 7.5/10
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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 20, 2021 19:51:48 GMT
I'm not familiar with the book, but the praises are sky-high, so I'm gonna search for it. The movie itself, I quite liked it. It does feel underbaked, but it's also very engaging and sweet. This is one my favorite Hanks' performances of lately, and Zengel is a revelation. She was ACES in System Crasher, and she's only held back here by an underwritten role. It's also beautiful to look at.
6.5/10
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Post by Viced on Feb 27, 2021 23:21:52 GMT
A few snoozefest stretches, but mostly pretty wonderful. Impossible not to like Hanks here, and Zengel was just as good. Mostly restrained direction from Paulie G, but still a few knockout sequences (the dust storm especially). Also very much elevated by the cinematography and the score. The two lead characters definitely could've used some more depth... but at the same time, they didn't really need it. My main problem was that CGI boulder.
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Post by jakesully on Mar 1, 2021 23:41:02 GMT
BUMP Glad a good amount of you were entertained by it....me? Not so much.
Went to see this today IN theaters (1st film I've seen in theaters since Tenet) Too bad this film was a bit of a disappointment though. Not gonna lie, I expected more from Paul Greengrass' direction . Most of it was a snooze fest (imo) excluding the shoot out . This is the dude that directed those awesome Bourne sequels and in the end he made a dull western film (talk about a let down )
Hanks was good all things considered (didn't have much to work with ). Not even in the same ball park as Road to Perdition though.
6.5/10
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Mar 16, 2021 3:43:28 GMT
A fine fine movie indeed. I think it peaks a bit early (the shootout really becomes the highlight of the film), and it’s very by the numbers as far as story goes, but in pure craft and technical prowess is where it’s strengths truly lie. Hanks is still as reliable an everyman as ever, while Zengel becomes the true revelation of the show. Sometimes, to be old-fashioned and inoffensively entertaining is all you need.
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