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Post by hugobolso on Jan 15, 2021 21:14:38 GMT
First of all the prostest of Black lives Matters, that blame Trump were taken on places where the Democratic Party was on power. Or The Mayor was Democratic, or the Governor was, and usually both were. You cannot complaint the Republican Party or President Trump, for cities, counties, and States ruled by democrats. Not only but also the protest were stupid, because later the same rioters, votes the the same mayors, governors whose policies protest.- Yep the protester were most young people but then they got to their homes where there are old people, or goest to their job school or whatever and there are older people, could be their gradparent, could be the boss, the cafee worker or the cleaning lady,doesn't matters. So not, your point is not just extremely naiv,e but really harming.- And the fair election, well there were prooves that the electoral system failed, just not enough to change the election. Probably Trump was right in that in a couple of states, he was robbed, but the time to proove a masive fraud is too short.- Yep I agree, with Trump, in other thing, I'm against mail votes, and also agree with some Democrats, that the president should be elected in a directly, and not by electoral collage. But this old system works well for the last 250 years. So why we need to change something that works well. Also about the mail votes, rules cannot change after the election. So it was Trump and his party fault to not change that rules in propper time.- I think thta encouroging Trump to his supporters, that actually there was a big chance or reverting the results, was the most stupid and harmful thing he made in his 4 years of Presidency,- I'm not saying that both acts are equal, should all the people should condemn to convert pacific protesters in vandalist and bloody acts.- Trump is not right about anything. There was no fraud. He is no longer president because he didn't get the votes. Period. The Republicans have lost the popular vote 8 of the 9 last elections so they still wouldn't win. Where was the voter fraud? We have been using mall in ballot system for about what 30 years now and it is a problem now during a pandemic? Ummm... no. People have audited these ballots. There have been studies on election fraud and the reports come to the same conclusion: it is immaterial. I can't believe people think the election was rigged. So let me get this straight: Trump 2016 - If I lose, then it is rigged. He won. Then he creates a committee cause he's pissed off cause he didn't win the popular vote. The commit came to the conclusion... well... you didn't. Trump 2020 - If I lose, then it is rigged. He lost So how can an election be rigged when that is his excuse for everything. The man is a bona fide sore loser and if he doesn't win he blames it on everything under the sun. That's his MO. How can anyone in their right mind with critical thinking skills believe any of his bullshit? It makes no sense. None. I am still waiting for the it was rigged stans to explain to me how in the hell did Mitch and Lindsay win their election or any other Republican on the same ballot as Trump. Cause there is no way in hell someone committing fraud would allow that to even happen. The Republicans need to grow a backbone and stop with the power hungry political theatre. Nobody has the time for this bullshit. It pisses me off that they doubled down on this lie and try to place the blame on black communities as to having the fraud. Really? This is where we are with this... still blaming black people for every little thing. It is exhausting to say the least. Is your opinion, I hope that both could get closer, but I guess is almost impossible.- 1) Trump isn't the responsable of BLM 2) No election is 100% out of fraud. Specially with mail voting. Usually the fraud margin is just too slim to change any election, specially one as big as US. I don't say that Biden hasn't won, according to the US process. However I think that in a couple of States (not the 6 states) the election could be stolen.- And I'm talking about FRAUD and not gerrymanding, and similar practices that are inmoral but legal.- 3) Agree that American Polititians all over the world, , aren't as good today, as they were 30 years ago. There isn't aMargaret Albright or a Kissinger anymore in US. The polititians right now commit several mistake, that in other time, should resign.- Yep I think if some Democratic polititans would resign for telling stupid things, hate speaches, or for an awful job during the pademic and the riots, Donald Trump should resign from the White house. But today (unless you're in Neetherlands) none resigns.-
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 15, 2021 21:55:19 GMT
This is the poll numbers/reason Republicans so far are not seemingly likely to vote for it in the Senate - but you never know....meanwhile James Comey floated the idea today the Biden may want to pardon Trump (um) which probably caused Ilhan Omar and AOC to faint.... Clearly the Trump "defense" will be that he never uttered the words and rather said people should demonstrate peacefully and patriotically which of course he didn't mean at all.....but that's the defense issue if/when we get to that point...these numbers are somewhat surprising and this was through the 13th.... 91% of Trump supporters in the GOP back his continued contesting of the election, while 46% of those who consider themselves “traditional Republicans” support his challenges and 36% oppose.
96% of Trump supporters say he makes the Republican Party better, while 51% of traditional Republicans agree and 47% disagree.
92% of Trump supporters want to see him run again in 2024, compared to 41% of other Republicans who agree and 58% who disagree.
1% of Trump supporters say he should be immediately be removed from office for “promoting” the unrest, while 24% of traditional Republicans agree. Axios/Ipsos poll:www.newsmax.com/politics/poll-trump-republicans-2024/2021/01/14/id/1005578/Staggering new poll - I don't see how they will vote for this as it gets further away ............ www.foxnews.com/politics/only-8-percent-republicans-support-trump-impeachment-pollThe 8% of Republicans who support the impeachment and removal of Trump from office is identical to the 8% of Republicans who said the same thing about the president’s previous impeachment by House Democrats over the Ukraine controversy in a December 2019 NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jan 16, 2021 4:36:45 GMT
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Post by hugobolso on Jan 16, 2021 13:29:13 GMT
Is this an extorsion allegory?
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 16, 2021 18:24:08 GMT
you know, these damn polls are all over the place. I've seen the cripplingly low 8% impeachment approval among Republicans and the 12% before that being circulated, but 538 has the average Republican support at 15% overall. Interestingly, Rasmussen which consistently releases approval ratings for Trump that are over 45% just found that out of a sample of 360 Republican voters, 23% (not an insignificant number) said that Trump should be removed before Jan. 2oth because of the Capitol riots. So the story here is pretty complex and messy and continues to evolve. I don't know how many Republicans support impeachment but 8% is probably too low an estimate.
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Post by quetee on Jan 16, 2021 21:11:42 GMT
Trump is not right about anything. There was no fraud. He is no longer president because he didn't get the votes. Period. The Republicans have lost the popular vote 8 of the 9 last elections so they still wouldn't win. Where was the voter fraud? We have been using mall in ballot system for about what 30 years now and it is a problem now during a pandemic? Ummm... no. People have audited these ballots. There have been studies on election fraud and the reports come to the same conclusion: it is immaterial. I can't believe people think the election was rigged. So let me get this straight: Trump 2016 - If I lose, then it is rigged. He won. Then he creates a committee cause he's pissed off cause he didn't win the popular vote. The commit came to the conclusion... well... you didn't. Trump 2020 - If I lose, then it is rigged. He lost So how can an election be rigged when that is his excuse for everything. The man is a bona fide sore loser and if he doesn't win he blames it on everything under the sun. That's his MO. How can anyone in their right mind with critical thinking skills believe any of his bullshit? It makes no sense. None. I am still waiting for the it was rigged stans to explain to me how in the hell did Mitch and Lindsay win their election or any other Republican on the same ballot as Trump. Cause there is no way in hell someone committing fraud would allow that to even happen. The Republicans need to grow a backbone and stop with the power hungry political theatre. Nobody has the time for this bullshit. It pisses me off that they doubled down on this lie and try to place the blame on black communities as to having the fraud. Really? This is where we are with this... still blaming black people for every little thing. It is exhausting to say the least. Is your opinion, I hope that both could get closer, but I guess is almost impossible.- 1) Trump isn't the responsable of BLM 2) No election is 100% out of fraud. Specially with mail voting. Usually the fraud margin is just too slim to change any election, specially one as big as US. I don't say that Biden hasn't won, according to the US process. However I think that in a couple of States (not the 6 states) the election could be stolen.- And I'm talking about FRAUD and not gerrymanding, and similar practices that are inmoral but legal.- 3) Agree that American Polititians all over the world, , aren't as good today, as they were 30 years ago. There isn't aMargaret Albright or a Kissinger anymore in US. The polititians right now commit several mistake, that in other time, should resign.- Yep I think if some Democratic polititans would resign for telling stupid things, hate speaches, or for an awful job during the pademic and the riots, Donald Trump should resign from the White house. But today (unless you're in Neetherlands) none resigns.- Republicans are the ones behind voter suppression so that has to be a reason for it if not then why even bother. Not sure why you are even bring up Trump and BLM. Didn't say Trump was responsible for that but he is without a doubt responsible for birtherism. That much is true. He was so upset that a black man became president that he changed parties. The bottom line is that the Republicans who stan trump needs to get their ass cussed out period. They have some nerve questioning the validity of the ballots in highly populated black communities when the white communities had even greater variances. The whole thing is built on a lie from a man who is such a narcissist that he has to blame it on something other than the fact that the majority of the people got sick of his bullshit.
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Post by hugobolso on Jan 17, 2021 3:23:40 GMT
Is your opinion, I hope that both could get closer, but I guess is almost impossible.- 1) Trump isn't the responsable of BLM 2) No election is 100% out of fraud. Specially with mail voting. Usually the fraud margin is just too slim to change any election, specially one as big as US. I don't say that Biden hasn't won, according to the US process. However I think that in a couple of States (not the 6 states) the election could be stolen.- And I'm talking about FRAUD and not gerrymanding, and similar practices that are inmoral but legal.- 3) Agree that American Polititians all over the world, , aren't as good today, as they were 30 years ago. There isn't aMargaret Albright or a Kissinger anymore in US. The polititians right now commit several mistake, that in other time, should resign.- Yep I think if some Democratic polititans would resign for telling stupid things, hate speaches, or for an awful job during the pademic and the riots, Donald Trump should resign from the White house. But today (unless you're in Neetherlands) none resigns.- Republicans are the ones behind voter suppression so that has to be a reason for it if not then why even bother. Not sure why you are even bring up Trump and BLM. Didn't say Trump was responsible for that but he is without a doubt responsible for birtherism. That much is true. He was so upset that a black man became president that he changed parties. The bottom line is that the Republicans who stan trump needs to get their ass cussed out period. They have some nerve questioning the validity of the ballots in highly populated black communities when the white communities had even greater variances. The whole thing is built on a lie from a man who is such a narcissist that he has to blame it on something other than the fact that the majority of the people got sick of his bullshit. Don't trust me. just search info, and study, about this and past riots, caused by the death of african american shooted by the police. Search, where were, who were the mayor, who were the governor, who was the president, and every elected authority you think it's important.- I'm not saying that Republicans are saints, because obviously they aren't,but Democrats definitive aren't better, just they have a better press.-
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 27, 2021 20:21:02 GMT
courtesy of Rand Paul, here's a handy indication of how the impeachment trial goes. Trump will be exonerated... again. McConnell joined Paul's efforts to dismiss the impeachment signaling that he won't vote to convict. It was dismissed but only five Republicans voted to dismiss it--the ones who have been most publicly opposed to Trump in the past and the couple who heavily criticized his role in the insurrection and called for his resignation or removal.
So the GOP is still the party of Trump after he incited an armed insurrection on the Capitol which endangered all their lives (and after he lost them two senate seats in GA). Spineless feckless cunts.
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Post by flasuss on Jan 27, 2021 21:00:13 GMT
This guys don't get it still won't be enough. It will never be enough. Trump demands either complete submission or you might as well be Bernie Sanders.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 27, 2021 21:15:46 GMT
This guys don't get it still won't be enough. It will never be enough. Trump demands either complete submission or you might as well be Bernie Sanders. The GOP is completely irredeemable at this point. The cancer-has-spread-to-the-lungs-irredeemable. Trump has completely taken them hostage with his base. Rand Paul wasn't wrong when he said convicting Trump would lose them a huge chunk of voters but it also embodies the cynicism of their motivations. It's too late to condemn Trump. They dug themselves into that hole and now they can't get out and they pulled the country in with them.
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Post by flasuss on Jan 27, 2021 22:01:38 GMT
This guys don't get it still won't be enough. It will never be enough. Trump demands either complete submission or you might as well be Bernie Sanders. The GOP is completely irredeemable at this point. The cancer-has-spread-to-the-lungs-irredeemable. Trump has completely taken them hostage with his base. Rand Paul wasn't wrong when he said convicting Trump would lose them a huge chunk of voters but it also embodies the cynicism of their motivations. It's too late to condemn Trump. They dug themselves into that hole and now they can't get out and they pulled the country in with them. But here's the thing- if they don't get rid of him now, they aren't getting rid of him, and he might simply form a 3rd party anyway. The offense against Trump might not even be real. And the donors are already beginning to dry up, at least for the most extreme ones.
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Post by jimmalone on Jan 28, 2021 9:16:52 GMT
courtesy of Rand Paul, here's a handy indication of how the impeachment trial goes. Trump will be exonerated... again. McConnell joined Paul's efforts to dismiss the impeachment signaling that he won't vote to convict. It was dismissed but only five Republicans voted to dismiss it--the ones who have been most publicly opposed to Trump in the past and the couple who heavily criticized his role in the insurrection and called for his resignation or removal. So the GOP is still the party of Trump after he incited an armed insurrection on the Capitol which endangered all their lives (and after he lost them two senate seats in GA). Spineless feckless cunts. No surprise here. Most GOP politicians have lost all shame and decency.
It would in some way be much easier if politicians didn't have to think about the next election.
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Post by hugobolso on Jan 28, 2021 16:45:32 GMT
courtesy of Rand Paul, here's a handy indication of how the impeachment trial goes. Trump will be exonerated... again. McConnell joined Paul's efforts to dismiss the impeachment signaling that he won't vote to convict. It was dismissed but only five Republicans voted to dismiss it--the ones who have been most publicly opposed to Trump in the past and the couple who heavily criticized his role in the insurrection and called for his resignation or removal. So the GOP is still the party of Trump after he incited an armed insurrection on the Capitol which endangered all their lives (and after he lost them two senate seats in GA). Spineless feckless cunts. No surprise here. Most GOP politicians have lost all shame and decency.
It would in some way be much easier if politicians didn't have to think about the next election.
a Polititian for deifintion has lost all shame.
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Post by hugobolso on Jan 28, 2021 16:46:26 GMT
The GOP is completely irredeemable at this point. The cancer-has-spread-to-the-lungs-irredeemable. Trump has completely taken them hostage with his base. Rand Paul wasn't wrong when he said convicting Trump would lose them a huge chunk of voters but it also embodies the cynicism of their motivations. It's too late to condemn Trump. They dug themselves into that hole and now they can't get out and they pulled the country in with them. But here's the thing- if they don't get rid of him now, they aren't getting rid of him, and he might simply form a 3rd party anyway. The offense against Trump might not even be real. And the donors are already beginning to dry up, at least for the most extreme ones. There will not be a third party.- He is too old for this.-
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Post by flasuss on Jan 28, 2021 17:51:22 GMT
But here's the thing- if they don't get rid of him now, they aren't getting rid of him, and he might simply form a 3rd party anyway. The offense against Trump might not even be real. And the donors are already beginning to dry up, at least for the most extreme ones. There will not be a third party.- He is too old for this.- LMAO, saying he's too old is just pure wishful thinking on your part, because you know if that happens, the Democrats will win every election for decades (or they split too). Biden is 78 and is president, Trump is 74 and wanted to be president until he's 78 and beyond, Nanci Pelosi is 80, etc. Him being old has nothing to do with it, even because he'll let some stooge run the day-to-day operations.
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Post by hilderic on Jan 29, 2021 22:48:13 GMT
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Post by hugobolso on Jan 30, 2021 5:17:46 GMT
There will not be a third party.- He is too old for this.- LMAO, saying he's too old is just pure wishful thinking on your part, because you know if that happens, the Democrats will win every election for decades (or they split too). Biden is 78 and is president, Trump is 74 and wanted to be president until he's 78 and beyond, Nanci Pelosi is 80, etc. Him being old has nothing to do with it, even because he'll let some stooge run the day-to-day operations. One thing is at 78 is being the candidate of a hundred and half powerful party, with Sarah Palin and the Tea Party working well in rural districts, and other totally different is being alone, in a third party, a party that is worried that the leader don't die or get sick in the middle of the campaign.- Donald Trump needs more the Republican Party, than the Republican Party needs Trump, but still the Republican Party still needs Trump.- The only thing that Joe Biden made during his capaign was boicott Tulsi Gabbard from debates, and then promised Pete B. an office.-
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Post by jimmalone on Feb 13, 2021 21:26:11 GMT
So 7 Republicans vote against Trump. With Richard Burr being the only "new" one after the other 6 voted already for the validation of impeachment.
If there is a positive thing about this it's that those are two or three votes more than I would have thought a week ago...
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 13, 2021 22:03:06 GMT
Trump is the most acquitted president in history
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 13, 2021 23:16:08 GMT
honestly yeah, it's a win that even seven GOPs signed onto this because that party is so far up Trump's ass. I'm glad this nonsense is over. Now to get to the legal battles where he isn't inoculated by partisan sycophants, for instance the Georgia investigation into how he tried to solicit election fraud from Raffensperger, which was also an impeachable offense and one that he's now liable for with no bad faith constitutional impediments. btw has anyone else listened to the whole call? It's like they're arguing with a two year-old. It'd be funny if his stupidity didn't, ya know, culminate in a riot that killed 5 people in the U.S. Capitol building...
Let's move on
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Post by quetee on Feb 13, 2021 23:39:21 GMT
Shameful. All because they didn't want to lose his fanbase.
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Post by jimmalone on Feb 14, 2021 11:56:12 GMT
honestly yeah, it's a win that even seven GOPs signed onto this because that party is so far up Trump's ass. I'm glad this nonsense is over. Now to get to the legal battles where he isn't inoculated by partisan sycophants, for instance the Georgia investigation into how he tried to solicit election fraud from Raffensperger, which was also an impeachable offense and one that he's now liable for with no bad faith constitutional impediments. btw has anyone else listened to the whole call? It's like they're arguing with a two year-old. It'd be funny if his stupidity didn't, ya know, culminate in a riot that killed 5 people in the U.S. Capitol building... Let's move on Those legal battles will go on for a long time. Political entertainment is guaranteed over the next few years.
Hell, I can't wait for Steven Spielberg or somebody else to make a movie over that whole election and riots mess.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 14, 2021 16:59:10 GMT
Hell, I can't wait for Steven Spielberg or somebody else to make a movie over that whole election and riots mess.
And the GOPs that stood by Trump are going to be the villains in those stories, along with George Wallace, Jim Crow lawmakers, the Dred Scott justices, and the confederates. They put themselves on the wrong side of history in supporting an anti-democratic wannabe despot in the face of what anyone with eyes can plainly see is insurrection and incitement. They have no legitimacy.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 15, 2021 17:04:39 GMT
When the witness testify?
I want Kamala interrogating the bisson q-annon guy?
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 16, 2021 23:24:19 GMT
Interesting that even when Trump isn't president anymore, it feels like he's still President.
I never had this feeling before, and I expect it'll last for at least up to a year.
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