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Post by morton on Jan 11, 2021 0:53:27 GMT
I know there’s already a few threads about what’s going on, but this person deserves all the praise and recognition, and I say this as someone who thinks the police need to be defunded.
Not to make light of this situation, but I think there was a lot of hinky stuff going on, and Officer Goodman reminds me of the the only innocent military guy in Die Hard 2 that didn’t know what was really going on. Thankfully it ended much differently in real life than it did in the movie for him. I also want to add that I don’t think every officer was necessarily in on it, but I think a majority were in some way.
Anyways I really would have shit my pants if it was me against that mob, and/or I would have ran away and hid. I hope that going forward that he gets left alone from these racist idiots, or at least as much as because as possible because I know all those crazies are putting more people on their enemy lists, and I hate this feeling that it’s inevitable that we’re going to see more “lone wolf” attacks.
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Post by quetee on Jan 11, 2021 1:33:27 GMT
Yeah, he does deserve the recognition. I hope a major news network invites him on the show but I guess everyone was so caught up in OMG he let them in that people didn't realize what he was doing. He saved the day. He didn't escalate because that would have caused him to be overpowered by the cult. He was smart enough to know that he needed to keep them engaged and lead them away from the Chamber.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jan 11, 2021 2:54:25 GMT
lmao this type of shit is the exact reason why the coup was able to get as far as it was; so that we could get some sympathy for cops after we spent the last year (justifiably) hating them. and when this dude goes on MSNBC and says that police at large are underfunded and need more firepower you're going to eat it up just like republicans have been for the last 30 years
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jan 11, 2021 3:06:05 GMT
He had a genuinely heroic moment. When the other cops were basically slacking off their jobs, and even taking selfies with those right-wing maniacs, he was one of the few who was actually trying to do his job. I'd be very interested in hearing an interview with him, I'm sure he has interesting perspectives on what really went down.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jan 11, 2021 3:25:21 GMT
lmao this type of shit is the exact reason why the coup was able to get as far as it was; so that we could get some sympathy for cops after we spent the last year (justifiably) hating them. and when this dude goes on MSNBC and says that police at large are underfunded and need more firepower you're going to eat it up just like republicans have been for the last 30 years Most of what I've been seeing has been criticism of the Capitol police for not being better prepared and allowing the coup attempt to go so far, with a lot of negative comparisons to how they acted during BLM protests last year. The Capitol police chief resigned amid all this so I don't think cops are really getting any more sympathy for this. I may be overlooking something, but Officer Goodman is the only positive news related to Capitol police I've seen from all this. |
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Post by Sharbs on Jan 11, 2021 3:26:32 GMT
lmao this type of shit is the exact reason why the coup was able to get as far as it was; so that we could get some sympathy for cops after we spent the last year (justifiably) hating them. and when this dude goes on MSNBC and says that police at large are underfunded and need more firepower you're going to eat it up just like republicans have been for the last 30 years totally understand this sentiment, but acknowledging the efforts of one individual to lead the mob away from where congress was sheltering isn't necessarily lifting the thumb off of the progress to create larger accountability that the police should have. |
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Post by quetee on Jan 11, 2021 3:31:55 GMT
lmao this type of shit is the exact reason why the coup was able to get as far as it was; so that we could get some sympathy for cops after we spent the last year (justifiably) hating them. and when this dude goes on MSNBC and says that police at large are underfunded and need more firepower you're going to eat it up just like republicans have been for the last 30 years totally understand this sentiment, but acknowledging the efforts of one individual to lead the mob away from where congress was sheltering isn't necessarily lifting the thumb off of the progress to create larger accountability that the police should have. There's a bigger picture here. The Capitol Police turned down assistance. I think they were compromised by Trump. Capitol Police turned down help from FBI, National Guard before siege |
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Post by Film Socialism on Jan 11, 2021 4:05:43 GMT
lmao this type of shit is the exact reason why the coup was able to get as far as it was; so that we could get some sympathy for cops after we spent the last year (justifiably) hating them. and when this dude goes on MSNBC and says that police at large are underfunded and need more firepower you're going to eat it up just like republicans have been for the last 30 years Most of what I've been seeing has been criticism of the Capitol police for not being better prepared and allowing the coup attempt to go so far, with a lot of negative comparisons to how they acted during BLM protests last year. The Capitol police chief resigned amid all this so I don't think cops are really getting any more sympathy for this. I may be overlooking something, but Officer Goodman is the only positive news related to Capitol police I've seen from all this. you have a police force that was both underprepared for a siege, not to mention sympathetic towards its ambitions, and a martyr that can be an effective mouthpiece for basically whatever that the capitol police want him to say. this all happened right after probably the largest anti-police protests in US history, and now liberals and leftists alike are clamoring for the FBI to target and arrest the people involved in the coup just days after they allowed them in to do the coup in the first place. cops have gotten a /ton/ of sympathy and positive news in the past few days. there's now concerns (from the left) of them being underfunded, videos of violence against police being posted by people on the left, clamoring for people to be targeted by the FBI on the left, etc. i cannot see the way that the federal government handled the events of the last week as anything other than a way to reverse the energy of 2020 in abolishing the police, or even as a precursor to a second patriot act. |
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Post by Film Socialism on Jan 11, 2021 4:08:41 GMT
lmao this type of shit is the exact reason why the coup was able to get as far as it was; so that we could get some sympathy for cops after we spent the last year (justifiably) hating them. and when this dude goes on MSNBC and says that police at large are underfunded and need more firepower you're going to eat it up just like republicans have been for the last 30 years totally understand this sentiment, but acknowledging the efforts of one individual to lead the mob away from where congress was sheltering isn't necessarily lifting the thumb off of the progress to create larger accountability that the police should have. in a vacuum yes. in terms of how this will actually be handled: what do we think officer goodman is going to have to say about this? do we think he's publicly going to throw the shitty officers he worked with under the bus? do you think he's going to support police defunding or abolition movements? do you think he's going to say anything publicly that isn't fed to him in some way by federal groups? i'm just really not convinced of it. |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 11, 2021 4:17:50 GMT
cops have gotten a /ton/ of sympathy and positive news in the past few days. there's now concerns (from the left) of them being underfunded, videos of violence against police being posted by people on the left, clamoring for people to be targeted by the FBI on the left, etc. i cannot see the way that the federal government handled the events of the last week as anything other than a way to reverse the energy of 2020 in abolishing the police, or even as a precursor to a second patriot act. dude, there's a huge gigantic difference between the NYPD or LAPD and the Capitol Police, a force whose only mission is to safeguard one of America's most important buildings (and the lawmakers and classified info inside). The defunding police narrative was always very specifically about de-militarizing communities and redirecting that money towards growth and improvement, not stripping the Capitol of its security guards. You can want both things... defunding the police and wanting the Capitol to be secure from fascist mobs. They're not mutually exclusive. |
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Post by Film Socialism on Jan 11, 2021 4:30:06 GMT
cops have gotten a /ton/ of sympathy and positive news in the past few days. there's now concerns (from the left) of them being underfunded, videos of violence against police being posted by people on the left, clamoring for people to be targeted by the FBI on the left, etc. i cannot see the way that the federal government handled the events of the last week as anything other than a way to reverse the energy of 2020 in abolishing the police, or even as a precursor to a second patriot act. dude, there's a huge gigantic difference between the NYPD or LAPD and the Capitol Police, a force whose only mission is to safeguard one of America's most important buildings (and the lawmakers and classified info inside). The defunding police narrative was always very specifically about de-militarizing communities and redirecting that money towards growth and improvement, not stripping the Capitol of its security guards. You can want both things... defunding the police and wanting the Capitol to be secure from fascist mobs. They're not mutually exclusive. and given that capitol police assisted the people invading said buildings, do you think that the narrative that goodman is going to help spread is a) (capitol) police are underfunded and we need more funding and surveillance to prevent this from happening again or b) literally anything else. like how can you look at what happened and say that capitol police are a force for good lol |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 11, 2021 12:12:33 GMT
Hmmmm....I think Brian Sicknick like Eugene Goodman also would deserve a mere mention in this thread since he you know diedBut what do I know, probably too humanistic and normal of me, carry on.... RIP  |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jan 11, 2021 18:13:04 GMT
and given that capitol police assisted the people invading said buildings, do you think that the narrative that goodman is going to help spread is a) (capitol) police are underfunded and we need more funding and surveillance to prevent this from happening again or b) literally anything else. like how can you look at what happened and say that capitol police are a force for good lol SOME capitol police assisted people invading the building. Operative word, some. I've seen one or two videos of cops letting people in and one picture of that selfie, but it's absurd to assume that most of the officers on the ground that day weren't trying to do their jobs on the basis of those couple pictures (most of the video I've seen has shown the cops resisting the mob as best they could). And all of that ignores the very simple fact that if the leadership and the FBI took threats of terrorism from white supremacists seriously and had secured that building, this wouldn't have happened. The narrative that all these cops are the bad guys ignores the reality that if there had been a show of force there like we saw at the Lincoln memorial last year, no one would have gotten through and there would have been less violence. That's not a funding problem. All of this is irregardless of the fact that the Capitol building should always be secure period. |
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Post by quetee on Jan 11, 2021 18:34:26 GMT
Hmmmm....I think Brian Sicknick like Eugene Goodman also would deserve a mere mention in this thread since he you know diedBut what do I know, probably too humanistic and normal of me, carry on.... RIP The irony is the president didn't even say anything or lower the flag until forced to do so. |
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Post by Film Socialism on Jan 11, 2021 21:59:37 GMT
and given that capitol police assisted the people invading said buildings, do you think that the narrative that goodman is going to help spread is a) (capitol) police are underfunded and we need more funding and surveillance to prevent this from happening again or b) literally anything else. like how can you look at what happened and say that capitol police are a force for good lol SOME capitol police assisted people invading the building. Operative word, some. I've seen one or two videos of cops letting people in and one picture of that selfie, but it's absurd to assume that most of the officers on the ground that day weren't trying to do their jobs on the basis of those couple pictures (most of the video I've seen has shown the cops resisting the mob as best they could). And all of that ignores the very simple fact that if the leadership and the FBI took threats of terrorism from white supremacists seriously and had secured that building, this wouldn't have happened. The narrative that all these cops are the bad guys ignores the reality that if there had been a show of force there like we saw at the Lincoln memorial last year, no one would have gotten through and there would have been less violence. That's not a funding problem. All of this is irregardless of the fact that the Capitol building should always be secure period. if your only job is to protect the capitol and a non-insignificant percent of your employees are doing the opposite of that, i would say there's a structural problem with the job at hand. and even if you or i know that this wasn't a funding problem or an issue of the police being unprepared for how many people there were, do you seriously expect them not to rally behind the idea of increased funding or increased surveillance? this has been the police state's response whenever it is criticized. all cops are bastards. the best thing that a cop can do for the people is stop being a cop. |
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