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Post by flasuss on Dec 22, 2020 20:48:46 GMT
Fincher can easily take DGA and all of a sudden the perspective will dramatically change. Sure, except there's absolutely no reason to assume he has a chance of winning DGA.
Again, people insisting on Mank's chances and calling it one of the favorites are trying to have it both ways- you can't claim this is one of the front-runners because there's a lot of people in the Academy and in voting bodies that love classic Hollywood and Citizen Kane specifically, and would love that the movie captures that aesthetic and deals with the making of the most acclaimed Hollywood film of all time, while these same people wouldn't know or care it's a complete fabrication in calling the guy who's basically the Nikola Tesla of Hollywood and arguably the greatest actor/director/writer combo of all time an attention-hogging, credit stealing hack that wasn't the real genius behind it anyway, and wouldn't know or care even when the inevitable hit pieces during awards season appear. It's one or the other.
Likewise, it's impossible to ignore Fincher had a lot more of everything for TSN- critical acclaim, box office success, passionate fans- and still lost. Hell, even Benjamin Button had more going for it.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 22, 2020 21:58:42 GMT
Fincher can easily take DGA and all of a sudden the perspective will dramatically change. Sure, except there's absolutely no reason to assume he has a chance of winning DGA.
Again, people insisting on Mank's chances and calling it one of the favorites are trying to have it both ways- you can't claim this is one of the front-runners because there's a lot of people in the Academy and in voting bodies that love classic Hollywood and Citizen Kane specifically, and would love that the movie captures that aesthetic and deals with the making of the most acclaimed Hollywood film of all time, while these same people wouldn't know or care it's a complete fabrication in calling the guy who's basically the Nikola Tesla of Hollywood and arguably the greatest actor/director/writer combo of all time an attention-hogging, credit stealing hack that wasn't the real genius behind it anyway, and wouldn't know or care even when the inevitable hit pieces during awards season appear. It's one or the other.
Likewise, it's impossible to ignore Fincher had a lot more of everything for TSN- critical acclaim, box office success, passionate fans- and still lost. Hell, even Benjamin Button had more going for it.
There’s no reason to assume he doesn’t have a shot. I’m not saying he’s the favorite right now, but he’s still an extremely respected director and we haven’t had any significant industry precursors yet. All I’m saying is he shouldn’t be completely dismissed yet.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 22, 2020 22:24:26 GMT
I'm sorry I said anything
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Post by filmnoir on Dec 22, 2020 23:52:25 GMT
Fincher can easily take DGA and all of a sudden the perspective will dramatically change. Easily? He couldn't win for The Social Network. David Fincher just isn't that well liked in Hollywood. He can be his own worse enemy. When he won the Director Globe for TSN, he seem as if it was a bother for him to show up and read a rambling speech.
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Post by stephen on Dec 23, 2020 0:15:51 GMT
Fincher can easily take DGA and all of a sudden the perspective will dramatically change. Easily? He couldn't win for The Social Network. David Fincher just isn't that well liked in Hollywood. He can be his own worse enemy. When he won the Director Globe for TSN, he seem as if it was a bother for him to show up and read a rambling speech. He's always been something of an eclectic outsider, and despite being very respected as a filmmaker, he's not at all campaign-friendly. The Social Network also was a much, much, much bigger phenomenon than Mank and he still fell short, and it was the DGA who cut the legs out from under him in 2010 (even BAFTA went for Fincher over Hooper).
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 23, 2020 1:48:11 GMT
Fincher can easily take DGA and all of a sudden the perspective will dramatically change. Because that greatly helped Mendes last year
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 23, 2020 1:50:42 GMT
Stephen and co. explained it better than I ever could but yeah, Zhao is absolutely in the drivers seat right now and Fincher and Mank in general are fading more and more every day.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 23, 2020 2:36:37 GMT
Fincher can easily take DGA and all of a sudden the perspective will dramatically change. Because that greatly helped Mendes last year It certainly helped him even though he ultimately came up short.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 23, 2020 2:56:26 GMT
Because that greatly helped Mendes last year It certainly helped him even though he ultimately came up short. Just like Fincher will.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 23, 2020 3:04:03 GMT
It certainly helped him even though he ultimately came up short. Just like Fincher will. Probably, yes. Not certainly though.
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Post by michael128 on Dec 23, 2020 4:04:42 GMT
Some questionable choices here.
Is Meryl still safe?
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 23, 2020 4:13:39 GMT
Some questionable choices here. Is Meryl still safe? Meryl was never safe for anything more than a GG nod.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 28, 2020 15:06:28 GMT
Viced Could we get this pinned please?
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Post by franklin on Dec 29, 2020 17:19:32 GMT
Among the many reasons Mendes lost last year, i think it's also because many people in The Academy and the Directing branch were aware that he already undeservedly won Picture and Directing for American Beauty twenty years before, and they didn't want to award him a second time for that flashy cheap gimmick of the moment, especially when he was in a category in which there were better films and filmmaking icons who won less Oscars than him (Scorsese only won one for Directing, Tarantino ZERO Directing wins, same for Bong), and plus Parasite was an incredible and better achievement in filmmaking, directing, and editing (the way he managed to pull off an hybrid of Drama, Comedy, Thriller, Satire, Social commentary, etc.. it felt like watching a Stanley Kubrick film, hard to classify).
So in other words Fincher doesn't have this baggage, he's an actual filmmaking icon who's been making classics for 25 years. It doesn't have the same acclaim of Nomadland, but it's still another well critically received gem.
I genuinely think he'll prevail over Zhao at the televised awards shows.
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Post by stephen on Dec 29, 2020 17:32:32 GMT
Among the many reasons Mendes lost last year, i think it's also because many people in The Academy and the Directing branch were aware that he already undeservedly won Picture and Directing for American Beauty twenty years before, and they didn't want to award him a second time for that flashy cheap gimmick of the moment, especially when he was in a category in which there were better films and filmmaking icons who won less Oscars than him (Scorsese only won one for Directing, Tarantino ZERO Directing wins, same for Bong), and plus Parasite was an incredible and better achievement in filmmaking, directing, and editing (the way he managed to pull off an hybrid of Drama, Comedy, Thriller, Satire, Social commentary, etc.. it felt like watching a Stanley Kubrick film, hard to classify). So in other words Fincher doesn't have this baggage, he's an actual filmmaking icon who's been making classics for 25 years. It doesn't have the same acclaim of Nomadland, but it's still another well critically received gem. I genuinely think he'll prevail over Zhao at the televised awards shows. No. Mendes's loss has nothing to do with him winning for American Beauty twenty years ago. Also, as much as I am not a fan of that film, it's still well-respected as a film and as a win for him. He lost because they liked Parasite more, not because they hated 1917. Try again.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 29, 2020 18:44:36 GMT
Among the many reasons Mendes lost last year, i think it's also because many people in The Academy and the Directing branch were aware that he already undeservedly won Picture and Directing for American Beauty twenty years before, and they didn't want to award him a second time for that flashy cheap gimmick of the momentWell, I mean it was that - you're on target with that part. Last year was a good example of coalition building for wins and how a movie like Parasite can do it IF you believed it really had a chance. Once they saw the momentum build for another film - ANY film - (which was also a clearly better AND better directed film) and it eventually started to look like 1917's conceptualization was not in the service of it's Art either (ie everything outside the frame of the one shot MUST be meaningless) they then threw 1917 aside like so much half chewed fish (Simpsons reference.......)
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Post by stephen on Jan 19, 2021 2:58:20 GMT
First Cow just fucked up Mank's 100% run in Production Design.
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Post by mhynson27 on Jan 25, 2021 0:32:35 GMT
Mulligan is closing that gap on McDormand. Wouldn't be surprised if she ends up overtaking her.
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Post by stephen on Jan 25, 2021 0:35:02 GMT
Mulligan is closing that gap on McDormand. Wouldn't be surprised if she ends up overtaking her. Promising Young Woman is showing an impressive amount of muscle in Best Original Screenplay, too. I really do think Fennell and Zhao are our Screenplay winners.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 25, 2021 18:22:55 GMT
Mulligan is closing that gap on McDormand. Wouldn't be surprised if she ends up overtaking her. Promising Young Woman is showing an impressive amount of muscle in Best Original Screenplay, too. I really do think Fennell and Zhao are our Screenplay winners. I really hope Fennell wins. I’m less confident in Zhao. I still think she’ll take Director with ease but think Sorkin is much more of a threat to take adapted screenplay. There really wasn’t much to Nomadland’s screenplay.
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Post by stephen on Jan 25, 2021 18:24:50 GMT
Promising Young Woman is showing an impressive amount of muscle in Best Original Screenplay, too. I really do think Fennell and Zhao are our Screenplay winners. I really hope Fennell wins. I’m less confident in Zhao. I still think she’ll take Director with ease but think Sorkin is much more of a threat to take adapted screenplay. There really wasn’t much to Nomadland’s screenplay. Sorkin's competing in Original Screenplay.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jan 25, 2021 18:51:36 GMT
I really hope Fennell wins. I’m less confident in Zhao. I still think she’ll take Director with ease but think Sorkin is much more of a threat to take adapted screenplay. There really wasn’t much to Nomadland’s screenplay. Sorkin's competing in Original Screenplay. Whoops, I just assumed it was adapted. I still see something like Ma Rainey, The Father, or One Night is Miami as legit competition to Nomadland, though I certainly wouldn’t rule out the win for Zhao.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 13, 2021 19:25:03 GMT
I wonder if there's still time for Judas and the Black Messiah to shake things up with all these glowing reviews (from critics and viewers alike). What do we think?
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 21, 2021 1:56:41 GMT
Soooo... not to open old wounds but after finally watching Mank I'm more convinced not less that it feels like a real threat for BD and even BP. The outrage in this thread over its representation of Welles honestly didn't register with me on viewing and I can't imagine that a ton of voters are going to be thinking about that while they're being distracted by its technical splendor.
I still think if anyone could beat Zhao, it's Fincher.
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Post by mhynson27 on Feb 21, 2021 7:43:34 GMT
Soooo... not to open old wounds but after finally watching Mank I'm more convinced not less that it feels like a real threat for BD and even BP. The outrage in this thread over its representation of Welles honestly didn't register with me on viewing and I can't imagine that a ton of voters are going to be thinking about that while they're being distracted by its technical splendor. I still think if anyone could beat Zhao, it's Fincher. Had to check my calendar and make sure it wasn't still September.
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