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Post by morton on Feb 19, 2021 1:36:59 GMT
People tend to forget Eric Roberts is an Oscar nominated actor. So being a "never was" may be a tad unfair (though "washed up" may be accurate). At one point very early in his career, before anybody had any idea who his sister was and what she would become, he was seen as a major young talent in the industry. His performances in Star 80 and The Pope Of Greenwich Villiage gathered him acclaim that led to his supporting Oscar nomination for Runaway Train. The guy was a prestige actor for a few years in the 80's, which is why the turn his career has taken is quite shocking to me. He was very legit and considered a pretty good actor. It's bizarre that he seems to have so little faith in himself that he has ZERO selectivity whatsoever. Yeah at one point he was considered to be one of the "new generation of talent" alongside Rourke. Heck when his sister Julia started in the biz, she was worried about following in her big brothers shadow, which is why his sudden descent into cheapie movie hell was seen as being all the more shocking back then. I might be mistaken about this, but I thought that Roberts said he works a lot as a way to keep himself clean. Also I’m not sure if he ever reconciled with his famous sister, but I do know that she sided with his ex because of how his behavior was back then. I do think that probably played a part in why people perhaps weren’t more forgiving of him as they have been other actors in similar situations, and why it took took him quite awhile to somewhat get his career on track. As for the topic, can Powers Boothe be included with the 80s actors that seemed like they would be bigger? Although in his case his career probably would have done much better had he not accepted his Emmy during a strike.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 19, 2021 1:58:49 GMT
Yeah at one point he was considered to be one of the "new generation of talent" alongside Rourke. Heck when his sister Julia started in the biz, she was worried about following in her big brothers shadow, which is why his sudden descent into cheapie movie hell was seen as being all the more shocking back then. I might be mistaken about this, but I thought that Roberts said he works a lot as a way to keep himself clean. Also I’m not sure if he ever reconciled with his famous sister, but I do know that she sided with his ex because of how his behavior was back then. I do think that probably played a part in why people perhaps weren’t more forgiving of him as they have been other actors in similar situations, and why it took took him quite awhile to somewhat get his career on track. As for the topic, can Powers Boothe be included with the 80s actors that seemed like they would be bigger? Although in his case his career probably would have done much better had he not accepted his Emmy during a strike. I think that tracks. I seem to remember reading that him basically doing all those roles were his way of "paying the bills", and also his personal life was a huge mess. I think Powers Boothe could fit, although it's hard to imagine there was a time where Hollywood even saw him as a potential leading man, especially since he's primarily known for playing villains. The Emerald Forest was basically his sole leading role, and it was also around the time he was playing Phillip Marlowe on that HBO Show of the same name, so there definitely appeared to be some kind of push.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Feb 19, 2021 3:08:53 GMT
Not sure if this guy has been mentioned yet, and he’s going to make an appearance in my Best Villain 1993 post, but I think from the 80s generation Michael Biehn is a good example for this thread. James Cameron’s go to guy at one point..he was the protagonist in The Terminator, had sizable roles in Aliens and The Abyss and seemed to have one last hurrah as Johnny Ringo in Tombstone and then just fell off. Would’ve swore he would be one of the preeminent leading men of his generation..great actor, leading man looks..you know Hollywood wanted to make him happen.
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Post by stephen on Feb 19, 2021 3:26:25 GMT
As for the topic, can Powers Boothe be included with the 80s actors that seemed like they would be bigger? Although in his case his career probably would have done much better had he not accepted his Emmy during a strike. Powers Boothe's biggest problem was that I think he came in at the wrong time. If he'd been on the scene a bit earlier, he had the chops and the intensity to be a '70s favorite, and if he'd come along a little later on, he might've been given some really choice roles that went to some of the '80s class. Boothe certainly had leading man looks and gravitas for days, and I don't necessarily think his Emmy win at that time is what brought his career to the point it did, but the fact that he played Jim Jones so well that it basically typecast him as intense, charismatic villains.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 19, 2021 3:28:28 GMT
Not sure if this guy has been mentioned yet, and he’s going to make an appearance in my Best Villain 1993 post, but I think from the 80s generation Michael Biehn is a good example for this thread. James Cameron’s go to guy at one point..he was the protagonist in The Terminator, had sizable roles in Aliens and The Abyss and seemed to have one last hurrah as Johnny Ringo in Tombstone and then just fell off. Would’ve swore he would be one of the preeminent leading men of his generation..great actor, leading man looks..you know Hollywood wanted to make him happen. He apparently had some personal demons, and a like a lot of actors of his ilk, turned down a lot of big roles that could have made him more popular. I actually think if a movie like Navy Seals had turned out better, then we probably would be talking about him in the same breath as say a Kurt Russell type. Also his actual last major role was his brief appearance in The Rock, where he shared a scene with his Abyss co-star Ed Harris.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 19, 2021 4:31:46 GMT
Andy Garcia never really lived up to his promise did he. Feels like he was primed to become much bigger than he did. Good Question whatever happened to Andy García, he had a promising career until 1994, then he made indie films, that probably he loved to make it, but had Zero impact in his career, maybe he never wanted to be a sexy symbol, and was easily replaced by Antonio Banderas, as the new latin lover.- He had a kind of comeback with the Ocean Eleven films, and The Antonio Sandoval story, but then he made other "arty" films like Modigliani that ended his career a leading man.- Why Banderas have a such interesting, long and prolific career, and García doesn't. Maybe because of his chico Almodovar status, however he didn't work in Spain with Pedro, or Spain (except his directed and produced films) for almost 20 years.- Maybe because Antonio Banderas loves being a latin lover and a Hollywood Star, and his body is his own enterprise, and knows how to do bussiness. Banderas is a Spanish Export product, García for obvious reasons never was a Cuban product, and I think he doesn't want to be.-
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 19, 2021 5:31:49 GMT
Andy Garcia never really lived up to his promise did he. Feels like he was primed to become much bigger than he did. Good Question whatever happened to Andy García, he had a promising career until 1994, then he made indie films, that probably he loved to make it, but had Zero impact in his career, maybe he never wanted to be a sexy symbol, and was easily replaced by Antonio Banderas, as the new latin lover.- He had a kind of comeback with the Ocean Eleven films, and The Antonio Sandoval story, but then he made other "arty" films like Modigliani that ended his career a leading man.- Why Banderas have a such interesting, long and prolific career, and García doesn't. Maybe because of his chico Almodovar status, however he didn't work in Spain with Pedro, or Spain (except his directed and produced films) for almost 20 years.- Maybe because Antonio Banderas loves being a latin lover and a Hollywood Star, and his body is his own enterprise, and knows how to do bussiness. Banderas is a Spanish Export product, García for obvious reasons never was a Cuban product, and I think he doesn't want to be.- As you say, Banderas embraced being typecast as the go to "hispanic actor" in Hollywood, wheras Garcia never wanted that, and made a much more conscious effort to try and play non-Hispanic roles. So for a long while, Banderas had no serious competition in Hollywood ( Benicio Del Toro and Javier Bardem came later, but neither had his image as a romantic leading man). He was first guy to go to for the most famous hispanic adventure hero in fiction, Zorro. When a major Hispanic director like Robert Rodriguez wanted a Hispanic leading man for his Spy Kids franchise, Banderas again was the obvious (and perhaps for studios, the only) choice. Rodriguez also cast him in things like Desperado and Once Upon A Time In Mexico.I would say Zorro and his relationship with Rodriguez really helped to sustain Banderas in Hollywood.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 19, 2021 5:59:29 GMT
Good Question whatever happened to Andy García, he had a promising career until 1994, then he made indie films, that probably he loved to make it, but had Zero impact in his career, maybe he never wanted to be a sexy symbol, and was easily replaced by Antonio Banderas, as the new latin lover.- He had a kind of comeback with the Ocean Eleven films, and The Antonio Sandoval story, but then he made other "arty" films like Modigliani that ended his career a leading man.- Why Banderas have a such interesting, long and prolific career, and García doesn't. Maybe because of his chico Almodovar status, however he didn't work in Spain with Pedro, or Spain (except his directed and produced films) for almost 20 years.- Maybe because Antonio Banderas loves being a latin lover and a Hollywood Star, and his body is his own enterprise, and knows how to do bussiness. Banderas is a Spanish Export product, García for obvious reasons never was a Cuban product, and I think he doesn't want to be.- As you say, Banderas embraced being typecast as the go to "hispanic actor" in Hollywood, wheras Garcia never wanted that, and made a much more conscious effort to try and play non-Hispanic roles. So for a long while, Banderas had no serious competition in Hollywood ( Benicio Del Toro and Javier Bardem came later, but neither had his image as a romantic leading man). He was first guy to go to for the most famous hispanic adventure hero in fiction, Zorro. When a major Hispanic director like Robert Rodriguez wanted a Hispanic leading man for his Spy Kids franchise, Banderas again was the obvious (and perhaps for studios, the only) choice. Rodriguez also cast in in things like Desperado and Once Upon A Time In Mexico.I would say Zorro and his relationship with Rodriguez really helped to sustain Banderas in Hollywood. Robert Rodriguez, what filmaker, capable of doing the best and the worst films, maybe even in the same year.- Remembering Rodríguez what about Juliette Lewis, this girl should be the next film since Cape of Fear, she even become a Hollywood star, but after her rol in From Dusk Till Down, she dissapeared from the Hollywod radar as leading or co-leading lady of big budget films.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 19, 2021 6:06:26 GMT
As you say, Banderas embraced being typecast as the go to "hispanic actor" in Hollywood, wheras Garcia never wanted that, and made a much more conscious effort to try and play non-Hispanic roles. So for a long while, Banderas had no serious competition in Hollywood ( Benicio Del Toro and Javier Bardem came later, but neither had his image as a romantic leading man). He was first guy to go to for the most famous hispanic adventure hero in fiction, Zorro. When a major Hispanic director like Robert Rodriguez wanted a Hispanic leading man for his Spy Kids franchise, Banderas again was the obvious (and perhaps for studios, the only) choice. Rodriguez also cast in in things like Desperado and Once Upon A Time In Mexico.I would say Zorro and his relationship with Rodriguez really helped to sustain Banderas in Hollywood. Robert Rodriguez, what filmaker, capable of doing the best and the worst films, maybe even in the same year.- Remembering Rodríguez what about Juliette Lewis, this girl should be the next film since Cape of Fear, she even become a Hollywood star, but after her rol in From Dusk Till Down, she dissapeared from the Hollywod S of big budget films. Juliette Lewis was a very hard actress to cast effectively. She had a short period of being "hot" in Hollywood, because she was easily cast as slightly dim-witted Lolita types and the odd anti-social nutcase , but her notable range beyond those kind of roles seemed almost non-existent. Once those type of roles she was most suited to ran out, so did her relevance in major productions. It's not like you can cast her in Shakespeare In Love or something like that.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 19, 2021 6:45:50 GMT
Robert Rodriguez, what filmaker, capable of doing the best and the worst films, maybe even in the same year.- Remembering Rodríguez what about Juliette Lewis, this girl should be the next film since Cape of Fear, she even become a Hollywood star, but after her rol in From Dusk Till Down, she dissapeared from the Hollywod S of big budget films. Juliette Lewis was a very hard actress to cast effectively. She had a short period of being "hot" in Hollywood, because she was easily cast as slightly dim-witted Lolita types and the odd anti-social nutcase , but her notable range beyond those kind of roles seemed almost non-existent. Once those type of roles she was most suited to ran out, so did her relevance in major productions. It's not like you can cast her in Shakespeare In Love or something like that. I think she perfectly fits, with the proper training, the Shakespeare in Love types roles.- At least she fit in That Night, during US early 60s.- In fact she could takes with the new millenium some of the roles for which Rachel Weisz had before her Oscar win.- I think, but not sure she also had personal issues like cientology, drugs and music. But then she was an Emmy nominated actress, had the lead in a popular show (Secrets and Lies, wel to be fairl the first season), she was in awarded film with Julia Roberts and Meryl Streep, but unlike Winona Ryder (partially because she hasn't a great movie realese since stranger things, but at least she is again a moneymaker) never had a big comeback role, that remember us how great she is and how great she was.-
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