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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 16, 2021 16:48:19 GMT
Hmm....how about Natalie Dormer?
I feel like she was really being primed as a next big thing (in some media circles anyway) after her stint on Game Of Thrones.
She reminded me a bit of Anya Taylor-Joy. Unconventionally attractive, but she never found a Queen's Gambit level project to really solidify her after GOT, and her career hype has all but disappeared.
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Post by quetee on Feb 16, 2021 17:38:23 GMT
Gretchen Mol and Monica Potter. I think the latter one was billed the next Julia Roberts. D'oh.
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Post by quetee on Feb 16, 2021 17:39:06 GMT
Interesting to note that Sarah Paulson has had the opposite effect.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 16, 2021 17:57:30 GMT
Hmm....how about Natalie Dormer?I feel like she was really being primed as a next big thing (in some media circles anyway) after her stint on Game Of Thrones. She reminded me a bit of Anya Taylor-Joy. Unconventionally attractive, but she never found a Queen's Gambit level project to really solidify her after GOT, and her career hype has all but disappeared. I think the business never seen her as the next Best thing, just an interesting choice for supporting and co-leading roles on TV and cameos on films. She was more seeing like the seductress hot girl that can act. Before GOT there was The Tudors. She never had the offers that Emilia Clark, Lena Headey or even Sophie Turner had. Not Even the Carice Van Hutten ir Gwendoline Christie.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 16, 2021 18:05:15 GMT
Hmm....how about Natalie Dormer?I feel like she was really being primed as a next big thing (in some media circles anyway) after her stint on Game Of Thrones. She reminded me a bit of Anya Taylor-Joy. Unconventionally attractive, but she never found a Queen's Gambit level project to really solidify her after GOT, and her career hype has all but disappeared. I think the business never seen her as the next Best thing, just an interesting choice for supporting and co-leading roles on TV and cameos on films. I dunno. She was announced to be playing Vivien Leigh in 2018 for a series built entirely around her. That is "next big thing" level of opportunity. It's a huge role for any actress, even established ones. I don't know if the series is in development hell, since it hasn't been shot since it was announced. But I pretty much thought this project was supposed to make her a major prestige leading actress. Like the next step to becoming another Blanchett or Kidman.deadline.com/2018/05/natalie-dormer-vivien-leigh-tv-series-cast-fremantlemedia-1202397888/
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 16, 2021 18:13:37 GMT
Hmm....how about Natalie Dormer?I feel like she was really being primed as a next big thing (in some media circles anyway) after her stint on Game Of Thrones. She reminded me a bit of Anya Taylor-Joy. Unconventionally attractive, but she never found a Queen's Gambit level project to really solidify her after GOT, and her career hype has all but disappeared. She never had the offers that Emilia Clark, Lena Headey or even Sophie Turner had. Not Even the Carice Van Hutten ir Gwendoline Christie. They've all had good opportunities during or after Game Of Thrones, but none of them were offered Vivien Leigh as a showcase vehicle .
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Post by eyebrowmorroco on Feb 16, 2021 18:15:25 GMT
Maggie McNamara
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 16, 2021 18:46:18 GMT
Tragic and forgotten figure. She dissapeared after 3 films. The she had a kind of comeback in the The Cardinal. but Otro P. Gave her a lame and fiorgettable rol.
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Post by wilcinema on Feb 16, 2021 19:07:49 GMT
Interesting to note that Sarah Paulson has had the opposite effect. Sarah Paulson drives me insane because I adore her and I want her in more movieeeeeees
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 16, 2021 19:22:00 GMT
She never had the offers that Emilia Clark, Lena Headey or even Sophie Turner had. Not Even the Carice Van Hutten ir Gwendoline Christie. They've all had good opportunities during or after Game Of Thrones, but none of them were offered Vivien Leigh as a showcase vehicle .I never heard of the proyecto but could be another australian series with Zero impact. And there was Also the Weinstein film with Julia Ormond in My week with Marylin that has Zero impact Also, in Ormonds attemped comeback
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Post by quetee on Feb 16, 2021 21:12:46 GMT
Interesting to note that Sarah Paulson has had the opposite effect. Sarah Paulson drives me insane because I adore her and I want her in more movieeeeeees I used to watch her in this short-lived show early 2000's and never understood why career didn't take off. Not sure why she doesn't get asked much.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 16, 2021 21:21:44 GMT
Sarah Paulson drives me insane because I adore her and I want her in more movieeeeeees I used to watch her in this short-lived show early 2000's and never understood why career didn't take off. Not sure why she doesn't get asked much. Sarah Paulson is a pretty big deal as a TV star. Emmy winner for The People Vs OJ Simpson. In demand to carry her own shows like Ratched. I'm pretty sure her career has taken off. It feels a bit backwards to judge being in movies as the definition of success for an actor today, especially when the calibre of TV being made is often higher than film, and the best roles for women of Paulson's age are in prestige TV. Why should she go to movies for Best friend or sidekick roles or to play Timothee Chalamet's mom, when she is a majorr leading lady on television? I'm sure she'll land a juicy supporting role in a movie one day to get her an Oscar, much like Laura Dern (who also arguably does her best work on TV)
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 17, 2021 2:10:49 GMT
I don't dislike Paulson, but her voice, her kind of plasticky face appearance? I hope I'm not out of line in saying that.
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Post by LaraQ on Feb 17, 2021 13:36:15 GMT
Kate Bosworth.She was poised to be the next big thing around the time she made Superman Returns and Win a Date with Tad Hamilton but her career just kind of fizzled after that.
Olivia Wilde.Obviously she's making her name for herself as a director now,but at one point she was touted as the next big sex symbol.Her career never really took flight though.
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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 18, 2021 14:39:50 GMT
Hmm....how about Natalie Dormer?I feel like she was really being primed as a next big thing (in some media circles anyway) after her stint on Game Of Thrones. She reminded me a bit of Anya Taylor-Joy. Unconventionally attractive, but she never found a Queen's Gambit level project to really solidify her after GOT, and her career hype has all but disappeared. I think Natalie Dormer was more of an internet thing. She is talented and very pretty, and had charismatic roles in things young people liked (GOT, Elementary, The Tudors), but she was never a contender for anything relevant - be it blockbusters, arthouse... She has/had a lot of young fans who dream-cast her in everything, but she never burst that bubble and I don't think the industry ever tried to push her. But I do agree with you that she's one of those people who need one good, successful limited series to turn the tables, I guess.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 18, 2021 21:59:27 GMT
For the elder guys, was Armand Assante or Aidan Quinn considered the best next thing in the 80s?
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2021 23:26:31 GMT
Andy Garcia never really lived up to his promise did he. Feels like he was primed to become much bigger than he did.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 18, 2021 23:39:10 GMT
Andy Garcia never really lived up to his promise did he. Feels like he was primed to become much bigger than he did. I just watched When A Man Loves a Woman about a month ago for a podcast, so Garcia's career was running through my mind. Feels like he had a couple of years of hits ( Black Rain, Internal Affairs, Godfather Part III, Dead Again, Women etc...), became Hollywood's go to "Hispanic actor", and then his luck just ran out. He did manage however to reinvent his career as a slimy character actor thanks to things like Ocean’s 11, and most recently played a lot of older “Latino lover character” types, so I suppose it could have been a lot worse. In a weird way he reminds me a lot of Alec Baldwin's 1990s career trajectory as well, just without the career franchise botch, and the celebrity scandals.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 18, 2021 23:49:17 GMT
Andy Garcia never really lived up to his promise did he. Feels like he was primed to become much bigger than he did. I just watched When A Man Loves a Woman about a month ago for a podcast, so Garcia's career was running through my mind. Feels like he had a couple of years of hits ( Black Rain, Internal Affairs, Godfather Part III, Dead Again, Women etc...), became Hollywood's go to "Hispanic actor", and then his luck just ran out. He did manage however to reinvent his career as a slimy character actor thanks to things like Ocean’s 11, and most recently played a lot of older “Latino lover character” types, so I suppose it could have been a lot worse. In a weird way he reminds me a lot of Alec Baldwin's 1990s career trajectory as well, just without the career franchise botch, and the celebrity scandals. Yeah, he had a run that suggested he was heading for superstar status, then it just kind of fizzled out. I don't think he was typed as a "hispanic" actor in an especially limiting way (like Antonio Banderas, because of his much heavier accent), though that was what he was and something he could always rely on to play. But he played Italians (Godfather 3, and Lucky Luciano in Hoodlum) and a lot of characters that were clearly meant to be anglo-saxon white guys. He could "pass". Good call on the Alec Baldwin similarity. I guess their movies weren't making enough money and they weren't award season regulars either. That can often spell then end of leading man status in films, when you aren't bringing in either box office or awards (though Baldwin later became an awards magnet as a TV star).
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 19, 2021 0:03:12 GMT
I just watched When A Man Loves a Woman about a month ago for a podcast, so Garcia's career was running through my mind. Feels like he had a couple of years of hits ( Black Rain, Internal Affairs, Godfather Part III, Dead Again, Women etc...), became Hollywood's go to "Hispanic actor", and then his luck just ran out. He did manage however to reinvent his career as a slimy character actor thanks to things like Ocean’s 11, and most recently played a lot of older “Latino lover character” types, so I suppose it could have been a lot worse. In a weird way he reminds me a lot of Alec Baldwin's 1990s career trajectory as well, just without the career franchise botch, and the celebrity scandals. Yeah, he had a run that suggested he was heading for superstar status, then it just kind of fizzled out. I don't think he was typed as a "hispanic" actor in an especially limiting way (like Antonio Banderas, because of his much heavier accent), though that was what he was and something he could always rely on to play. But he played Italians (Godfather 3, and Lucky Luciano in Hoodlum) and a lot of characters that were clearly meant to be anglo-saxon white guys. He could "pass". Good call on the Alec Baldwin similarity. I guess their movies weren't making enough money and they weren't award season regulars either. That can often spell then end of leading man status in films, when you aren't bringing in either box office or awards (though Baldwin later became an awards magnet as a TV star). Baldwin was at least smart to embrace his "washed-up status", after the major leading man roles dried up, even before 30 Rock he was showing up in things like Along Came Polly and The Departed, and of course he got the Oscar nomination in 2004 for The Cooler. Garcia did something similar when he returned to prominence with the Ocean's movies, but it never caught on in the same way mostly cause it wasn’t a critically acclaimed TV Show.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 19, 2021 0:04:24 GMT
Armand Assante was mentioned, he's a good example, especially since if you watch his earlier work, and see that he was at one point considered a legit good actor with potential to be a solid leading man. Ebert even thought he should have been Oscar nominated for Lumet's Q&A. Unfortunately he devolved quickly into ham, and bad career choices. After Judge Dredd flopped, his career went from theatrical to starring direct to DVD action movies shot in Bulguria and the likes, with the once in a while supporting role in a major release.
Another good example, and this dude got a lot closer to being a major star would be Tom Berenger. After Platoon, Major League, and Shoot To Kill, it really looked like he was going to be a huge star, but unfortunately he mostly starred in flops after. He went from headlining big movies to basically having bit parts in big movies. By 2001 his name considered was so irrelevant and straight to video, that he had a small part in Training Day, and he wasn't even listed among the supporting cast on the poster. At least Nolan eventually threw him a bone, and cast him in another supporting part in Inception, even if he mostly went back to low budget and or smaller movies after.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 19, 2021 0:22:26 GMT
Armand Assante was mentioned, he's a good example, especially since if you watch his earlier work, and see that he was at one point considered a legit good actor with potential to be a solid leading man. Ebert even thought he should have been Oscar nominated for Lumet's Q&A. Unfortunately he devolved quickly into ham, and bad career choices. After Judge Dredd flopped, his career went from theatrical to starring direct to DVD action movies shot in Bulguria and the likes, with the once in a while supporting role in a major release. Another good example, and this dude got a lot closer to being a major star would be Tom Berenger. After Platoon, Major League, and Shoot To Kill, it really looked like he was going to be a huge star, but unfortunately he mostly starred in flops after. He went from headlining big movies to basically having bit parts in big movies. By 2001 his name considered was so irrelevant and straight to video, that he had a small part in Training Day, and he wasn't even listed among the supporting cast on the poster. At least Nolan eventually threw him a bone, and cast him in another supporting part in Inception, even if he mostly went back to low budget and or smaller movies after. I can see why Armand Assante didn't happen . Good actor (though he enjoyed going FULL HAM a lot ). But he always had the face of a "bad guy". He just looked like a villain, so it was easy for him to get typed as a sinister dude, as opposed to the protagonist you are meant to root for. Berenger is an odd one, because on paper, he had everything Hollywood wanted in.a leading man. Conventionally good looking, a very fine and intense actor. I guess some poor choices derailed him. You could say something similar for Eric Roberts, who is now one of the most prolific actors in straight to video type projects out there, and has been for a long time. Though like with Berenger, Chris Nolan also threw him a bone for The Dark Knight. But he went straight back to the D-list films. His IMDB is actually insane. I don't think this guy sleeps!
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 19, 2021 0:39:03 GMT
Armand Assante was mentioned, he's a good example, especially since if you watch his earlier work, and see that he was at one point considered a legit good actor with potential to be a solid leading man. Ebert even thought he should have been Oscar nominated for Lumet's Q&A. Unfortunately he devolved quickly into ham, and bad career choices. After Judge Dredd flopped, his career went from theatrical to starring direct to DVD action movies shot in Bulguria and the likes, with the once in a while supporting role in a major release. Another good example, and this dude got a lot closer to being a major star would be Tom Berenger. After Platoon, Major League, and Shoot To Kill, it really looked like he was going to be a huge star, but unfortunately he mostly starred in flops after. He went from headlining big movies to basically having bit parts in big movies. By 2001 his name considered was so irrelevant and straight to video, that he had a small part in Training Day, and he wasn't even listed among the supporting cast on the poster. At least Nolan eventually threw him a bone, and cast him in another supporting part in Inception, even if he mostly went back to low budget and or smaller movies after. I can see why Armand Assante didn't happen . Good actor (though he enjoyed going FULL HAM a lot ). But he always had the face of a "bad guy". He just looked like a villain, so it was easy for him to get typed as a sinister dude, as opposed to the protagonist you are meant to root for. Berenger is an odd one, because on paper, he had everything Hollywood wanted in.a leading man. Conventionally good looking, a very fine and intense actor. I guess some poor choices derailed him. You could say something similar for Eric Roberts, who is now one of the most prolific actors in straight to video type projects out there, and has been for a long time. Though like with Berenger, Chris Nolan also threw him a bone for The Dark Knight. But he went straight back to the D-list films. His IMDB is actually insane. I don't think this guy sleeps! Yeah I can see why Assante didn't happen in retrospect, but Hollywood did really try for at least a good decade + to make him into something, giving him a lot of various and playing characters of various ethnicities probably sorely based off his name. He was also solid at accents too, which helped. Eric Roberts is like the poster child for a washed-up never-was actor who will do anything for a quick buck. I think he even admitted his drug problems contributed to his downfall, but also if you look at Roberts IMDb filmography, the whole 20+ projects longest filmography ever a year thing, didn't really seem to take flight until the mid 2000's. Before then he was just doing whatever.
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 19, 2021 0:47:51 GMT
I can see why Armand Assante didn't happen . Good actor (though he enjoyed going FULL HAM a lot ). But he always had the face of a "bad guy". He just looked like a villain, so it was easy for him to get typed as a sinister dude, as opposed to the protagonist you are meant to root for. Berenger is an odd one, because on paper, he had everything Hollywood wanted in.a leading man. Conventionally good looking, a very fine and intense actor. I guess some poor choices derailed him. You could say something similar for Eric Roberts, who is now one of the most prolific actors in straight to video type projects out there, and has been for a long time. Though like with Berenger, Chris Nolan also threw him a bone for The Dark Knight. But he went straight back to the D-list films. His IMDB is actually insane. I don't think this guy sleeps! Eric Roberts is like the poster child for a washed-up never-was actor who will do anything for a quick buck. I think he even admitted his drug problems contributed to his downfall, but also if you look at Roberts IMDb filmography, the whole 20+ projects longest filmography ever a year thing, didn't really seem to take flight until the mid 2000's. Before then he was just doing whatever. People tend to forget Eric Roberts is an Oscar nominated actor. So being a "never was" may be a tad unfair (though "washed up" may be accurate). At one point very early in his career, before anybody had any idea who his sister was and what she would become, he was seen as a major young talent in the industry. His performances in Star 80 and The Pope Of Greenwich Villiage gathered him acclaim that led to his supporting Oscar nomination for Runaway Train. The guy was a prestige actor for a few years in the 80's, which is why the turn his career has taken is quite shocking to me. He was very legit and considered a pretty good actor. It's bizarre that he seems to have so little faith in himself that he has ZERO selectivity whatsoever.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 19, 2021 0:55:06 GMT
Eric Roberts is like the poster child for a washed-up never-was actor who will do anything for a quick buck. I think he even admitted his drug problems contributed to his downfall, but also if you look at Roberts IMDb filmography, the whole 20+ projects longest filmography ever a year thing, didn't really seem to take flight until the mid 2000's. Before then he was just doing whatever. People tend to forget Eric Roberts is an Oscar nominated actor. So being a "never was" may be a tad unfair (though "washed up" may be accurate). At one point very early in his career, before anybody had any idea who his sister was and what she would become, he was seen as a major young talent in the industry. His performances in Star 80 and The Pope Of Greenwich Villiage gathered him acclaim that led to his supporting Oscar nomination for Runaway Train. The guy was a prestige actor for a few years in the 80's, which is why the turn his career has taken is quite shocking to me. He was very legit and considered a pretty good actor. It's bizarre that he seems to have so little faith in himself that he has ZERO selectivity whatsoever. Yeah at one point he was considered to be one of the "new generation of talent" alongside Rourke. Heck when his sister Julia started in the biz, she was worried about following in her big brothers shadow, which is why his sudden descent into cheapie movie hell was seen as being all the more shocking back then.
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