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Post by stephen on Dec 3, 2020 18:25:15 GMT
I was thinking about Edgar Ramirez, and how after Carlos, he looked to be a major talent who was going to take the world by storm. And indeed, he started showing up in prestige projects like Zero Dark Thirty and worked with prestige directors like Ridley Scott, David O. Russell, and the like. But it seems like regard for his individual work in those projects and elsewhere have been middling to outright bad. He bounced back last year with some Emmy and Globe love for The Assassination of Gianni Versace, but I remember people raving about him as someone to look out for a decade ago on the IMDb boards, and it's clear that he hasn't lived up to those lofty expectations.
I'm curious who else fits the bill for you in terms of actors you thought might've been A-list Oscar favorites after their breakthrough, but who never did.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 3, 2020 18:29:41 GMT
Isn't Taylor Kitsch the poster child for this thread?
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Post by stephen on Dec 3, 2020 18:34:05 GMT
Isn't Taylor Kitsch the poster child for this thread? Taylor Kitsch's biggest problem was that they tried the Jessica Chastain treatment with him and inundated so many projects in the same calendar year, and it just didn't work. I think if you space out things like Savages (still an underrated movie), John Carter and Battleship in different years, he probably doesn't get slammed the way he did. But I will say, I've liked him much more in the last couple of years than I did before. His Waco performance is powerful stuff, and while I think his character in True Detective was superfluous (they needed to fuse his character with Farrell's), he's really good in it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 3, 2020 18:36:53 GMT
Josh Hartnett
Not to be mean and many will disagree but........ Mickey Rourke .....in the 80s where he was never that good - revisionist history aside - never that big a deal, never nodded, or in a nodded pic, overshadowed by not just Penn and Cruise but Roberts and arguably even Cage & Modine too ..... really great precisely 1 time imo (Rumble Fish) and you would have thought he was the next DePac by the insane way he was written about.......he thought it too I reckon.......
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 3, 2020 18:37:10 GMT
I talked about one the other day in Chiwetel Ejiofor. Let's see Gretchen Mol, Josh Hartnett, Sam Worthington. There's plenty of them.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 3, 2020 18:43:10 GMT
Isn't Taylor Kitsch the poster child for this thread? Taylor Kitsch's biggest problem was that they tried the Jessica Chastain treatment with him and inundated so many projects in the same calendar year, and it just didn't work. I think if you space out things like Savages (still an underrated movie), John Carter and Battleship in different years, he probably doesn't get slammed the way he did. But I will say, I've liked him much more in the last couple of years than I did before. His Waco performance is powerful stuff, and while I think his character in True Detective was superfluous (they needed to fuse his character with Farrell's), he's really good in it. He's a more than decent actor, has some charisma and is a good looking dude. He could maybe have been a movie star. But the way the industry went 0 to 100 miles an hour on him in the blink of an eye was ridiculous. One minute he's that guy on that high school football TV show, next minute we are being told he is the new Tom Cruise/Brad Pitt. It was completely inorganic they way the industry attempted to shove him down people's throats, and he paid a steep price for it. People want to feel like they have discovered their new favorite movie star, not be ordered to accept one. Though as you say, he's done some good work as an actor since his failed stab at superstardom. Another guy that probably fits this thread criteria is Josh Lucas. I remember media puff pieces trying to convince the public that he was the new Paul Newman
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Post by stephen on Dec 3, 2020 18:45:26 GMT
Another guy that probably fits this thread criteria is Josh Lucas. I remember media puff pieces trying to convince the public that he was the new Paul Newman Jesus Christ, Josh Lucas. I always thought of him as the proto-Bradley Cooper: someone so good at playing smarmy douchebags that I can't really look past that and see them as anything else.
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Post by franklin on Dec 3, 2020 20:35:22 GMT
Miles Teller, during the Whiplash release and before the Fantastic Four flop, it felt like he was going to be the next leading man.
I feel the same in a way about Joseph Gordon Levitt.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 3, 2020 20:41:25 GMT
Chris O’Donnell in the 90s (well I guess he was a thing for a minute).
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Post by LaraQ on Dec 3, 2020 20:42:37 GMT
Haley Bennett.She was given a big push a few years back.She was in Girl on the Train,Magnificent Seven and Rules Don't Apply, in the same year(2016) and was being touted as the next Jennifer Lawrence.
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Post by thomasjerome on Dec 3, 2020 20:49:16 GMT
Haley Bennett.She was given a big push a few years back.She was in Girl on the Train,Magnificent Seven and Rules Don't Apply, in the same year(2016) and was being touted as the next Jennifer Lawrence. That's a very good pick, I thought she's gonna be the next big thing back when she stole show in "Music and Lyrics" (2007) and thought 2016 is finally her year but it just didn't happen.
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Post by Mattsby on Dec 3, 2020 21:07:05 GMT
After girls crushed on him in The Lost Boys, the critics crushed on him in After Dark My Sweet (1990), a protagonist perf worthy of Brando, and amazingly only 23 years old! except it didn't do well at the box office - imagine if it was released after the Julia Roberts fling of '91 (among the biggest tabloid sensations of the time, he became a household name). In 1993, EW asked the big question (pic above) and then the epic disaster of Speed 2 KO'd him. He's basically 30 and that's that?? actually his next two projects Your Friends & Neighbors and Narc proved he was a star or great talent all along - he could do a Serpico or wickeder parts, play parts. But his career seemed already expired by the time he did Expired (underrated). Our loss. As Ebert said he often "shows a tough complexity that subverts his good looks or turns them to dark dramatic advantage." He gets it.
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Post by sirjeremy on Dec 3, 2020 21:48:17 GMT
Hayden Christensen. He had the looks, talent, came close to a nomination for Life as a House, but his career went nowhere very quickly. I saw him in a play in London in 2002 and expected him to go far, but that didn't happen.
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Post by stephen on Dec 3, 2020 21:53:23 GMT
Hayden Christensen. He had the looks, talent, came close to a nomination for Life as a House, but his career went nowhere very quickly. I saw him in a play in London in 2002 and expected him to go far, but that didn't happen. I mean, I think we all know why Christensen never became much of a thing. Star Wars was an albatross that was going to ruin any actor, especially one without much background.
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 3, 2020 23:25:20 GMT
Julia Ormond was the perfect example of the 90s. In 1995 was everywhere, in 1997 was none again.-
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Post by thomasjerome on Dec 4, 2020 0:26:03 GMT
Mary Stuart Masterson? she had a promising run at some point; "At Close Range", "Some Kind of Wonderful", "Fried Green Tomatoes', "Benny and Joon"... and then she disappeared.
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 4, 2020 0:27:14 GMT
Should be Actors/Actresses That 1) Aren't Oscar nominated/winners 4 acting, sorry Cuba Gooding Jr 2) Weren't former child stars sorry Elijah Wood, Sarah Bolger 3) Hasn't a huge TV career after not Robin Wright 4) Not being previously a Pop/Music Star Not Beyonce/Usher/JEssica Simpson here 5) Their career hasn't finish by a huge SCANDAL Rob Lowe your are out 6) or a coming out (bye bye Rupert Everet, Anne Heche) 7) Promoted huge by the media, Sorry Rufus Sewell, Michelle Monaghan 8) Work hard for several years in Hollywood (Ludivine Sagnier you are fire)
From the 90s until today, I have no idea how the Star System worked on the 60s, 70s and 80s
1) Julia Ormond 2) Brendan Fraser 3) Josh Hartnett 4) Ashley Judd 5) Dane Cook 6) Hayden Christensen 7) Jessica Alba (yep that Jessica Alba, had good reviews and publicity from dark angel and then Sin City) 8) All the American Pie "teen" Cast.- 10) Jennifer Love Hewitt, who could forget her crazy fandom.- 11) Tobey MacGuirre 12) Aaron Eackheart/josh Lucas (I always confuse them) 13) Eric Bana 14) Ioan Gruffudd 15) Emile Hirsch 16) Elisha Cuthbert 17) Tyler Kitsch 18) Taye Diggs 19) Jim Caviziel 20) Micheal Cera i'm not sure If I should include Sienna Miller, because she is continuing trying
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 4, 2020 0:33:39 GMT
Mary Stuart Masterson? she had a promising run at some point; "At Close Range", "Some Kind of Wonderful", "Fried Green Tomatoes', "Benny and Joon"... and then she disappeared. Masterson never struck me as someone with massive star potential. She was a good actress, but there was a strong tom-boyish vibe about her, that would have held her back from major stardom in an era where female stars groomed for major stardom looked like Julia Roberts and Andie McDowell.She was well cast in some roles, but there was a limit to her appeal, so I can see why things slowed down for her.
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 4, 2020 0:35:22 GMT
Mary Stuart Masterson? she had a promising run at some point; "At Close Range", "Some Kind of Wonderful", "Fried Green Tomatoes', "Benny and Joon"... and then she disappeared. I can't help you. I started to seen films in theatres at the time MSM made her last memorable films.- I guess the studio system worked different in the last 80s and early 90s.- Today Hollywood System started with Harvey Weinstein and other moguls after the 9/11.- Actress like Mary Stuart Masterson or Penelope Ann Miller were a Relic at that time, despite the fact that they were only in their mid 30s.-
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 4, 2020 6:21:20 GMT
Aaron Eackheart!!
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Post by MsMovieStar on Dec 4, 2020 16:26:03 GMT
Oh honey, thats not to say it won't happen next week...
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Post by jakesully on Dec 4, 2020 16:42:50 GMT
Garrett Hedlund He's got the looks & a cool deep voice . After getting the roles in TRON: Legacy & On the Road I really thought his career was going to take off but it fell flat. He has had a string of bad luck imo (who would have thought a Joe Wright film & an Ang Lee film would be so blah?!?!) Still a big fan of him though and I'll continue to root for him.
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Post by jakesully on Dec 4, 2020 16:49:17 GMT
Isn't Taylor Kitsch the poster child for this thread? LOL pretty much yeah. IMO he was set up for failure with little to no advertising for John Carter. And Battleship going up against The Avengers? Game over man. But have you seen him in Waco? Its a miniseries on Netflix distributed by the Paramount Network. He flat out crushed it. I hope he gets more chances (thought he was also good in True Detective Season 2 & Savages). He can do the whole "brooding" thing well.
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Post by franklin on Dec 4, 2020 17:15:43 GMT
This is more controversial, I may be wrong, but maybe Andrew Garfield belongs in this category too??
After The Social Network breakthrough he was supposed to become big with Spiderman, but the poor critical reception and commercial performance of those two average movies totally fucked him. And yes, he got an Academy award nomination for Hacksaw Ridge and worked with Scorsese on Silence in the same year, but the former is kinda of a mediocre divisive and forgotten war movie directed by a wildly controversial figure in Hollywood, and the latter is a critically acclaimed but obscure and challenging piece of art never meant to attract interest from mainstream audiences or industry folks, and in that one it was clear that Adam Driver was the standout and the real deal.
It's been four years since those two films and he seems to have faded away.
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Post by stephen on Dec 4, 2020 18:07:47 GMT
This is more controversial, I may be wrong, but maybe Andrew Garfield belongs in this category too?? After The Social Network breakthrough he was supposed to become big with Spiderman, but the poor critical reception and commercial performance of those two average movies totally fucked him. And yes, he got an Academy award nomination for Hacksaw Ridge and worked with Scorsese on Silence in the same year, but the former is kinda of a mediocre divisive and forgotten war movie directed by a wildly controversial figure in Hollywood, and the latter is a critically acclaimed but obscure and challenging piece of art never meant to attract interest from mainstream audiences or industry folks, and in that one it was clear that Adam Driver was the standout and the real deal. It's been four years since those two films and he seems to have faded away. I mean, Garfield won a Tony since then. He's also got The Eyes of Tammy Faye coming up that could be an awards player. Garfield's still an illustrious figure; he's just been doing work outside of film.
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