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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 1, 2020 8:25:17 GMT
Two very hot young "It Actresses" of the moment. Both are 24 years old.
Zendaya recently became the youngest ever actress to win Best Actress In A Drama series at the Emmys for her HBO show Euphoria. She is also being touted as a possible Oscar contender for Malcolm And Marie and will be in would-be blockbuster Dune from Denis Villeneuve. She also has her ongoing and expanding role as MJ, Peter Parker's love interest in Marvel's current Spider-Man movies.
Taylor-Joy just fronted one of the most acclaimed limited series of the moment, The Queen's Gambit with a performance that might allow her to follow in Zendaya's footsteps and win the Emmy in the limited series category next year. She is currently filming The Northman, a film by hot auteur Robert Eggers. She has also been cast by George Miller to replace Charlize Theron as Furiosa in a new spin-off film about the younger version of that character.
Both acclaimed, both in demand. This isn't neccesarily about whom you think is a better actress, though that may factor into your choice. But who is more likely to rule this decade in terms of stardom?
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 1, 2020 10:18:07 GMT
Anya also has Last Night in Soho.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 1, 2020 10:32:03 GMT
Anya also has Last Night in Soho. True. Remains to be seen how much it will do for her career though, as Edgar Wright isn't really a consistent awards season guy or a guaranteed box office attraction. Which is probably why I forgot about it. I guess we'll see closer to release and trailers whether it's likely to be another Baby Driver (big hit) or The World's End or Scott Pilgrim (underperfomers or outright flops). Furiosa seem an obvious potential hit and The Northman looks a good awards season prestige play if it comes together well.
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 1, 2020 11:01:52 GMT
I'm pretty sure time will tell Anya.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 1, 2020 11:07:10 GMT
The Northman to me is a very big deal - for righting Kidman's off-track movie career imo....... for giving Robert Eggers his first film with above the line Oscar nominations and for possibly getting Dafoe's 5th nod. Along with PTA's "Soggy Bottom".......Joel Coen's Macbeth ........and del Toro's Nightmare Alley the movies with potentially the highest artistic upside. So with that all in mind....
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 1, 2020 11:41:53 GMT
I hope Anya
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 1, 2020 12:32:41 GMT
I'm pretty sure time will tell Anya. I'm not so sure. I think Zendaya has the advantadge of a very loyal Disney fanbase that has grown up with her since she was a kid acting on Disney shows and movies. They follow her career and support whatever she does. It's a similar effect to Ariana Grande, who ended up focusing on music over acting, but is now one of the biggest music stars in the world today. Zendaya has a hardcore group of fans who are never leaving her. I think that is one of the reasons the industry is all-in on her. Taylor-Joy has not got a fanbase that loyal. Her fans in effect are fickle. Many of the people who are swearing that she will be the biggest star going forward, were likely saying the exact same thing about Florence Pugh a year or two ago. But Pugh is out of sight, out of mind for the moment, and Taylor-Joy is the shiny new thing right now. But what happens if some new shiny thing pops up in the next year or two. Will Taylor-Joy's "new fans" move on to the next "It Girl"? Not saying this will actually happen, but it can. Taylor-Joy has talent, presence and chops, but sometimes even that isn't enough to maintain interest, especially with the constant turnover and competition for young starlets in her age range. Zendaya at least has fans she knows aren't going anywhere, which will keep her bankable.
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Post by franklin on Dec 1, 2020 12:38:05 GMT
Zendaya is not that good as an actress. She just won an Emmy only because of hype and "diversity" reasons.
Taylor-Joy is clearly the superior actress.
And don't even get me started on Regina King winning the Emmy over Cate Blanchett.
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Post by futuretrunks on Dec 1, 2020 13:26:49 GMT
I found Zendaya on Euphoria better than Anya in anything, including The Queen's Gambit. Anya was good though. I'm not really sure what Anya's potential stardom would look like, as she has an intensity as a performer, but it's quiet.
It's a good question.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 1, 2020 13:36:24 GMT
Zendaya is not that good as an actress. She just won an Emmy only because of hype and "diversity" reasons. Taylor-Joy is clearly the superior actress. And don't even get me started on Regina King winning the Emmy over Cate Blanchett. Not the best look there mate.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 1, 2020 13:47:16 GMT
Zendaya is not that good as an actress. She just won an Emmy only because of hype and "diversity" reasons. She's the lesser Darren Criss - not a compliment exactly............although with the way awards are going she'll probably undeservedly win the Triple Crown of Acting by the time she's 30.......shrug
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Post by morton on Dec 1, 2020 14:12:23 GMT
I'm pretty sure time will tell Anya. I'm not so sure. I think Zendaya has the advantadge of a very loyal Disney fanbase that has grown up with her since she was a kid acting on Disney shows and movies. They follow her career and support whatever she does. It's a similar effect to Ariana Grande, who ended up focusing on music over acting, but is now one of the biggest music stars in the world today. Zendaya has a hardcore group of fans who are never leaving her. I think that is one of the reasons the industry is all-in on her. Taylor-Joy has not got a fanbase that loyal. Her fans in effect are fickle. Many of the people who are swearing that she will be the biggest star going forward, were likely saying the exact same thing about Florence Pugh a year or two ago. But Pugh is out of sight, out of mind for the moment, and Taylor-Joy is the shiny new thing right now. But what happens if some new shiny thing pops up in the next year or two. Will Taylor-Joy's "new fans" move on to the next "It Girl"? Not saying this will actually happen, but it can. Taylor-Joy has talent, presence and chops, but sometimes even that isn't enough to maintain interest, especially with the constant turnover and competition for young starlets in her age range. Zendaya at least has fans she knows aren't going anywhere, which will keep her bankable. This is why I would go with Zendaya too. Great point about Ariana. I think it really helps these young stars that parents and older people who are outside of that Disney/Nickelodeon bubble are able to recognize them when they reach a large level of fame even if they don't watch the show/movie that the young star has been on. Like even if you were way past the age of the audience that say something like Hannah Montana was trying to appeal to, it was so huge at the time because of the show and music, I feel it was hard to not know who Cyrus was. To add in another example, look at Miley Cyrus. Sure her career is a little on the downslide, but she's had a core of loyal fans since the Hannah Montana days, most of whom will likely stick with her provided she doesn't do something bsc like go alt-right or something. Or Britney now who started out as a Mouseketeer. Of course, there's a lot of examples of Disney/Nickelodeon child stars who weren't able to make the transition to successful adults working in the business, but when one is able to do so, they can become huge superstars like Ariana, Miley, or Britney. Even if you look at say Zac Efron's career now, while he hasn't quite found his niche yet, he's still being hired regularly, and he still has a lot of recognition from being in the High School Musical trilogy. While Taylor-Joy has the huge success of The Queen's Gambit and Split and Glass, I don't think she has the name recognition that Zendaya does for most of the regular public. I think it would be like, "oh look there's that girl whose in that chess show or in that Split movie" versus "oh isn't that Zendaya" type of thing. This is not a knock against Taylor-Joy because I'd prefer to be more anonymous as a celebrity because I think it would give one more freedom in living a normal life as possible. Plus, there's more risk of a backlash when you're really huge as Ariana, Miley, and Britney have all had to endure a lot over the years. And obviously I see both Taylor-Joy and Zendaya having good careers as long as they keep making smart decisions like they are.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 1, 2020 17:15:15 GMT
I'm not seeing the Taylor-Joy hype yet. I'm just not. She was great in The Witch but that was a hugely divisive indie horror film that the mainstream didn't really care for. Solid in Thoroughbreds which is an underseen indie dark comedy. Just ok in Emma, which seemed to come and go without much fanfare. Haven't seen Queen's Gambit yet, but is she really that good? Or is it more of the same ice queen affect.
I think Dever stands to be bigger, and certainly Zendaya who probably speaks more to younger viewers. She's the rising star of her generation. She's young, attractive, has already experienced mainstream success, has a wider audience and larger fanbase, and gives more emotionally accessible performances without losing the "cool" factor. We haven't seen Taylor-Joy have any real viral success outside of just one Netflix property. It's way too early to assume she's gonna take off like a rocket especially with initially what seems to be a pretty limited range. Don't mean to come for her this hard but the hype doesn't make sense to me. Unless I'm totally wowed by her stuff in QG (which I'm not ruling out at all), I'd say nothing she's done post-Witch has come close to reaching those heights.
Fight me, stans
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 1, 2020 18:05:24 GMT
I'm not seeing the Taylor-Joy hype yet. I'm just not. She was great in The Witch but that was a hugely divisive indie horror film that the mainstream didn't really care for. Solid in Thoroughbreds which is an underseen indie dark comedy. Just ok in Emma, which seemed to come and go without much fanfare. Haven't seen Queen's Gambit yet, but is she really that good? Or is it more of the same ice queen affect. I think Dever stands to be bigger, and certainly Zendaya who probably speaks more to younger viewers. She's the rising star of her generation. She's young, attractive, has already experienced mainstream success, has a wider audience and larger fanbase, and gives more emotionally accessible performances without losing the "cool" factor. We haven't seen Taylor-Joy have any real viral success outside of just one Netflix property. It's way too early to assume she's gonna take off like a rocket especially with initially what seems to be a pretty limited range. Don't mean to come for her this hard but the hype doesn't make sense to me. Unless I'm totally wowed by her stuff in QG (which I'm not ruling out at all), I'd say nothing she's done post-Witch has come close to reaching those heights. Fight me, stans Not a Taylor-Joy stan (so no fight ), but I'd say you need to see The Queen's Gambit before making a full judgement on her potential. I was kind of like you to be honest...she just seemed like this generation's Christina Ricci to me initially. Someone who would be continually cast in bizarre, weirdo or oddball parts (she missed out on being the Tim Burton muse she would have been 20 years ago). But The Queen's Gambit has made me reconfigure her potential. A lot of it has to do with how they made her look in the show (not just her acting, which was great) but as the show went on, with the way she was dressed and her hair done, she began to feel more and more like a classical, conventional leading lady. Which I never really felt convinced by her being, before this show. Magazine covers and the fashion industry are going to love her, and that does help sustain the stardom of a lot of female stars. I still see Zendaya being the bigger star, but Taylor-Joy has more potential for mainstream stardom than I'd previously thought.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Dec 2, 2020 12:20:05 GMT
I’ll have a better read on Zendaya after I see her Malcolm & Marie movie, I think. She was mostly merely solid in Euphoria and is still very much working to prove herself (at least in film). I don’t think I’ve seen enough to judge her star potential or acting abilities yet.
I think Anya is a bit more proven of the two as an actor, but I don’t get the sense that she’s trying to become a big star? Zendaya clearly wants to be a movie star and a prestige actress whereas I think Anya skews much more prestige. My guess is that even if both careers really take off, they will be in completely different lanes as actors.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 2, 2020 12:34:55 GMT
Taylor-Joy is doing all the things actresses who want to become big stars do. She's at the front row of Paris Fashion Weekend (in fact, she's at a lot of these front row fashion things in various cities, from New York to London). Starlets only do that stuff to be seen and to increase their profile.
There was nothing particularly prestigious about New Mutants either. That's something you do to be in a hit. I think she is fully about becoming a big star and a prestige actress, just like Zendaya.
Also, by virtue of being white, Taylor-Joy gets offered more prestige opportunities, Zendaya is actually having to create some of her own ( she produced Malcolm And Marie).
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Post by pupdurcs on Feb 19, 2022 2:52:12 GMT
Revisiting this thread, it definitely feels like Zendaya has the upper hand. Taylor-Joy didn't win the Emmy in the end and Last Night In Soho was a bit of a dud.
Zendaya had big critical and commercial successes with Spider-Man: No Way Home and Dune. Euphoria continues to be a big TV hit for her. I feel like she's becoming very close to being a household name as a star, which is quite rare for younger actors of her generation these days. It didn't happen for Malcolm & Marie, but I think an Oscar win for her feels almost inevitable at some point
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 19, 2022 3:21:15 GMT
Zendaya with the normies, Taylor-Joy in more sophisticated circles
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 19, 2022 7:24:25 GMT
Zendaya is horrid.
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Post by Drish on Feb 19, 2022 7:45:39 GMT
Not a fan of either one's acting, they tend to get a bit same-y in every performance but they're just starting so I'm sure they'll try to experiment with their acting choices. ATJ has better films so far but as far as bigger star is concerned, it's definitely Z.
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Post by hugobolso on Feb 19, 2022 20:36:35 GMT
Right now Zendaya is the bienestar star in the World. And we will heard of Zendaya for many years. They tried for many years to create an african american Princess. First was Brandy who was too ordinary, then was Beyoncé who was too huge, then Lupitawho was a foreigner and now Zendaya who is american, can sing and act, is fashionably, youthul and beside that she is dating the teen white idol. So yep she is better than Beyoncé will never be.
Only her behaviour could make a downhill.
Anya is an English Rose (despide being born in Miami of Argentina parents) who has to fight against all the English Roses for a Rol. She has too fight against Saoirse Ronan and Florence Pugh. And Hollywood isnt as big for the 3. The main adventage is her latina roots , do basically could be cast in every kind of film.
Zendaya performance arent great, but right now is a bigger star and all the Doors are open to her.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 20, 2022 0:29:09 GMT
Zendaya is flat out brilliant in Euphoria. I don't get the slander at all. Probably the best young druggie performance since Leo in The Basketball Diaries. ATJ has lots of promise, but there's something too recessive about her acting so far. I need to see that she can "go big". Maybe Furiosa will do that, but I wasn't a fan of Mad Max Fury Road (for the reason of it being a simplistic chase sequence adorned with astonishing pyrotechnics rather than something with a rich narrative), so I'm not really anticipating her upcoming projects besides the O. Russell movie.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 14, 2022 12:31:18 GMT
Hmmm...Zendaya just won her 2nd Best Actress In A Drama Emmy for Euphoria. Impressive shit for one so young.
Before Taylor-Joy has even won her first Emmy. This is interesting....I expected Zendaya to be the bigger star/have a bigger fanbase, but I didn't expect she'd become a super-prestige actress to this extent. At least in terms of hardware, she's got the edge on Taylor-Joy as a prestige Actress for the moment. Zendaya gives me vibes of someone who could one day EGOT.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Sept 14, 2022 12:54:35 GMT
Hmmm... Zendaya just won her 2nd Best Actress In A Drama Emmy for Euphoria. Impressive shit for one so young. Before Taylor-Joy has even won her first Emmy. This is interesting....I expected Zendaya to be the bigger star/have a bigger fanbase, but I didn't expect she'd become a super-prestige actress to this extent. At least in terms of hardware, she's got the edge on Taylor-Joy as a prestige Actress for the moment. Zendaya gives me vibes of someone who could one day EGOT.I’m a huge fan of Zendaya’s work and voted for her when you created this poll. But are we really considering Emmys to be “prestige hardware”?
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 14, 2022 13:10:12 GMT
Hmmm... Zendaya just won her 2nd Best Actress In A Drama Emmy for Euphoria. Impressive shit for one so young. Before Taylor-Joy has even won her first Emmy. This is interesting....I expected Zendaya to be the bigger star/have a bigger fanbase, but I didn't expect she'd become a super-prestige actress to this extent. At least in terms of hardware, she's got the edge on Taylor-Joy as a prestige Actress for the moment. Zendaya gives me vibes of someone who could one day EGOT.I’m a huge fan of Zendaya’s work and voted for her when you created this poll. But are we really considering Emmys to be “prestige hardware”? Isn't the Triple Crown of acting awards the Oscars, Tony and Emmy? There's probably a reason for that (drop in the Grammys for EGOT, and you have arguably the 4 most valued awards across mainstream entertainment). No disrespect, but this is a silly question/statement. Of course an Emmy is "prestige hardware". It's the most valued award you can win for appearing on television....in the world. Particularly in Zendaya’s category ( Best Actress In A Drama), where she has to go up against heavy hitters and some on the Best Actresses in the world doing recurring television drama, to doubt the value and prestige of her winning this award twice (the first one clearly wasn't a fluke) seems odd to me. Zendaya had to beat Laura Linney, Jodie Comer, Sandra Oh, Melanie Lysnkey and Reese Witherspoon to win her category this year. These are some of the finest screen actress around, some Oscar nominees/winners, all Oscar calibre talent. To beat that competition for her Emmy makes it clear it wasn't because she was up against weak competition either. If Zendaya can beat that calibre of competition twice for television by the age of 26, then if she isn't a future Oscar winner in waiting, I'll be surprised. Are all Emmys neccesarily created equal? Possibly not. I wouldn't say a Daytime Emmy carries the same prestige as a Primetime Emmy, but you can say that about lots of awards. An Olympic Gold medal in the Men's 100 metre sprint probably has more prestige than an Olympic Gold Medal in curling, despite them both being Olympic Golds. Zendaya and her category and her Emmy are absolutely major prestige hardware
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