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Post by mattfincher on Nov 25, 2020 0:13:03 GMT
Well, he's been fired off a major franchise and has been reduced to either low profile or bad movies with the exception of Black Mass for a decade now. Is there a redemption act to come? Or have the final notes been written on his career as a major actor? What do you recommend the world's most popular actor during the mid 00s do next?
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 25, 2020 0:28:11 GMT
I don't think the film is going to happen unfortunately ............but he should play The Fool opposite Pacino in Big Al's looooooooooooooong delayed King Lear film......I think he'd be great there tbh - I think it's been talked about in some other threads. Lear is usually only as good as his Fool - Olivier had John Hurt.......Hopkins had some stiff .......you can feel the difference. For stephen's sake, I'll say that part if it ever happens should go to Rylance which is dream casting - since that's an obvious/perfect heavyweight showdown and they are friendly too..... but then you run the risk of The Fool showing up your Lear which would be quite awful  I just love Depp for this part - he could do it, they are better friends even....... and it's something different for him......it would be a surprise piece of inspired casting. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 25, 2020 0:31:33 GMT
I say no, his career isn't neccesarily dead yet. But he'll require a major reinvention.
A lot of people in the industry still like him, and regardless of the libel trial result going against him, believe Amber Heard screwed him over.
So there will be significant filmmakers/auteurs or stars willing to stick their neck out for him, and cast him. But he needs to stop viewing movies as a way to fund his wine habit and excessive spending demands. He needs to go back to his roots and seek out interesting indie auteurs. There is no reason he couldn't still have a career similar to Willem Dafoe (working with really interesting directors in interesting roles, even if they aren't super mainstream) but he's become addicted to the limelight and money that comes with studio films.
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Post by morton on Nov 25, 2020 0:46:55 GMT
I say no, his career isn't neccesarily dead yet. But he'll require a major reinvention. A lot of people in the industry still like him, and regardless of the libel trial result going against him, believe Amber Heard screwed him over. So there will be significant filmmakers/auteurs or stars willing to stick their neck out for him, and cast him. But he needs to stop viewing movies as a way to fund his wine habit and excessive spending demands. He needs to go back to his roots and seek out interesting indie auteurs. There is no reason he couldn't still have a career similar to Willem Dafoe (working with really interesting directors in interesting roles, even if they aren't super mainstream) but he's become addicted to the limelight and money that comes with studio films. Exactly this. I mean if Mel Gibson could comeback to the degree he has, I think Depp could as well. Or if you just go back a few weeks ago to a harmless meme that keeps getting recycled about which Chris people would get rid of, and for some reason it lead to a chain reaction of all these people defending Chris Pratt despite receipts about the church that he belongs to and other things. So never underestimate the Industry’s capacity to forgive white cis men. Anyways this is all to say, I think he could comeback with a lot of effort, but I don’t think he’ll ever put in the effort, so I don’t see it happening. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Nov 25, 2020 1:34:23 GMT
I say no, his career isn't neccesarily dead yet. But he'll require a major reinvention. A lot of people in the industry still like him, and regardless of the libel trial result going against him, believe Amber Heard screwed him over. So there will be significant filmmakers/auteurs or stars willing to stick their neck out for him, and cast him. But he needs to stop viewing movies as a way to fund his wine habit and excessive spending demands. He needs to go back to his roots and seek out interesting indie auteurs. There is no reason he couldn't still have a career similar to Willem Dafoe (working with really interesting directors in interesting roles, even if they aren't super mainstream) but he's become addicted to the limelight and money that comes with studio films. Exactly this. I mean if Mel Gibson could comeback to the degree he has, I think Depp could as well. Or if you just go back a few weeks ago to a harmless meme that keeps getting recycled about which Chris people would get rid of, and for some reason it lead to a chain reaction of all these people defending Chris Pratt despite receipts about the church that he belongs to and other things. So never underestimate the Industry’s capacity to forgive white cis men. Anyways this is all to say, I think he could comeback with a lot of effort, but I don’t think he’ll ever put in the effort, so I don’t see it happening. That's true, but Gibson can/could self-generate work for himself. Hacksaw Ridge, whatever you think of it (and I think it's a good movie), pretty much forced the issue by being as technically adroit as it is with the war scenes. The equivalent would be Depp lucking out on a beloved director giving him a chance, and the role being meaty. I see neither of those things happening anytime soon. Depp needs to figure out if he cares about acting, or just wants to do cosplay of people he's admired from previous generations. I think his best chance will be Tim Burton finding a good script and new inspiration instead of the mostly poor stuff he's done after Sweeney Todd. |
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Post by Mattsby on Nov 25, 2020 1:41:03 GMT
Def should work with Pacino again, they have a rare and incredible chemistry together. King Lear as the Fool or even Kent would work. Few years ago Depp said he wanted to direct a book Happy Days by Laurent Graff about a middle-aged guy going into a retirement home - there you go, get Pacino up in there. Maybe directing is too much pressure though? And he's gotta be careful picking smaller indie projects since The Professor and City of Lies weren't very good and potted in distribution purgatory. Minamata should fare better (a prime Feb slot) and maybe he could look for biopics as he's been great when he does - Dillinger, Ed Wood, John Wilmot, Jung etc. Netflix? Miniseries? I'd like to see him, specifically, do like QT's Bounty Law project and Yorgos' Pop 1280. Let the great filmmakers get you there....
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Post by MsMovieStar on Nov 25, 2020 9:31:04 GMT
Oh honey, I think they'll still be filmmakers who will want to work with him...
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Post by skibidido on Nov 25, 2020 11:17:17 GMT
I say no, his career isn't neccesarily dead yet. But he'll require a major reinvention. A lot of people in the industry still like him, and regardless of the libel trial result going against him, believe Amber Heard screwed him over. So there will be significant filmmakers/auteurs or stars willing to stick their neck out for him, and cast him. But he needs to stop viewing movies as a way to fund his wine habit and excessive spending demands. He needs to go back to his roots and seek out interesting indie auteurs. There is no reason he couldn't still have a career similar to Willem Dafoe (working with really interesting directors in interesting roles, even if they aren't super mainstream) but he's become addicted to the limelight and money that comes with studio films. Exactly this. I mean if Mel Gibson could comeback to the degree he has, I think Depp could as well. Or if you just go back a few weeks ago to a harmless meme that keeps getting recycled about which Chris people would get rid of, and for some reason it lead to a chain reaction of all these people defending Chris Pratt despite receipts about the church that he belongs to and other things. So never underestimate the Industry’s capacity to forgive white cis men. Anyways this is all to say, I think he could comeback with a lot of effort, but I don’t think he’ll ever put in the effort, so I don’t see it happening. If the industry forgives him, it will be because he's a victim of abuse. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 25, 2020 11:40:17 GMT
Also, if he's struggling for good film projects, there is probably no shortage of high level prestige TV or streaming projects that could use a lead actor with his star profile. One really great show or limited series could reignite his career. A True Detective type show could do wonders for him.
He needs to get his agents earning their commision and put him together with some major talent working in the TV or streaming space.
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Post by thomasjerome on Nov 25, 2020 14:04:17 GMT
What do you recommend the world's most popular actor during the mid 00s do next? At this point, I'd recommend him to retire and give us a break from his godawful performances. He was an interesting actor in the early 90s, project choices were inspiring with one truly great performance to his name that is "Ed Wood". He became less interesting since late 90s and wildly inconsistent. Never get the hype around his POTC role and his "eccentric characters" started to feel like he repeats the same shtick over and over again to tiring level. I mean, that "Chocolate Factory" performance almost traumatized me, just horrible in everyway. Starting from "Alice in Wonderland", he got much worse. Right now, his performances are either dull (Transendence, Lone Ranger) or just annoying/hammy (Fantastic Beasts, Mortdecai, Tusk). Can he make a comeback? It's possible. It'll take a while but he can. He's still beloved and has still a dedicated fan base and in the media, he played his game incredibly well that he painted Heard as the sole villain of relationship and himself as some kind of saint as if he's not the one texting about "fucking Amber's burned corpse to make sure she's dead". So much so that him losing the recent trial case didn't matter to his fans. Him leaving the Fantastic Beasts is not a big deal tbh, the last film was not successful anyway. So the whole abuse allegation thing doesn't hurt him much. What hurts him is probably his drinking problem. It was not secret that he's not very committed, couldn't memorize his lines anymore and stuff. If he can get his shit together, he can find a way to return - maybe he'll take roles in European auteurs' films or he'll use TV medium or something; but it's all his hands. Considering he didn't start to do straight-to-video type of action films like Cage or Cusack do, it's obvious that he still cares about his career and reputation to some degree. |
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Nov 25, 2020 14:38:57 GMT
Also, if he's struggling for good film projects, there is probably no shortage of high level prestige TV or streaming projects that could use a lead actor with his star profile. One really great show or limited series could reignite his career. A True Detective type show could do wonders for him. He needs to get his agents earning their commision and put him together with some major talent working in the TV or streaming space. 100% this. |
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Post by jason on Nov 27, 2020 18:15:34 GMT
depp's career is over in hollywood, at least until he wins in court against heard, he has a lawsuit with her.
depp is a good actor but very overrated, his career went into decline long before the allegations of the heard
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Post by franklin on Aug 28, 2021 11:17:37 GMT
In the wake of yesterday's appearance at the Karlovy Vary festival and the upcoming one for another lifetime achievement award at the S.Sebastian film festival, i was wondering, do you think Johnny Depp can make a great comeback (critical, commercial, or even win an Oscar) in the near future??
I personally think he was once one of the best actors of his generation and he deserves a great critical comeback.
Some talented filmmaker out there has to give him his The Irishman or his Uncut Gems or something.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Aug 28, 2021 11:37:39 GMT
Since Amber Heard ruined him....nope.
He'll do a few good things (Black Mass), but his glory days of the 00s are of course gone. But anyone trying to duplicate that kinda generation defining success is gonna be in dire straits.
I think J Law can lay The Hunger Game/Oscar winning days to waste, but Depp will forever be Jack Sparrow and everything comes after that.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 28, 2021 12:14:41 GMT
You are asking this on the wrong board - MAR neither understands him (or acting in general - kidding......but .......am i?), his specific kind of talent or anything apart from the culture of success repeated constantly. In short, no - I don't think he cares .........and it's hard to succeed when you don't care. The long answer is - there was more wit in his brief scenes in Waiting For The Barbarians than in Rylance's whole self-serious performance - even though Depp was just playing at it. That's how hard to read he is - from ~1990-2004 he was the most playful, imaginative, joyfully creative American actor going (not the "best"........ but one of the most interesting). This board does not respond to those adjectives - they respond to all the wrong things: box office, sex-appeal, youth, Oscar nominations, "relevance" (almost NO actor is actually "relevant"  ).......and worst of all in his case "roles they can "identify" with" (gag)........that's the reason this board underrates Naomi Watts, Jessica Chastain and Johnny Depp and repeats their flaws constantly without celebrating the best, most representative characteristics. This whole idea that Depp "couldn't play normal" is one of the dumbest things ever on here and you read it constantly on MAR - rather he just excelled at playing something else - and the kind of actor he was has a long history in actors like Vincent Price for one who I always say couldn't have been replicated by most of the "best" actors - that didn't make Price "the best" either it just made him distinct. I miss Depp.........but nope......... he's almost 60 .... |
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Post by stabcaesar on Aug 28, 2021 13:29:33 GMT
The blind items about him never remembering his lines from all the coke he's been doing will never stop being funny lol.
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Post by thomasjerome on Aug 28, 2021 14:02:59 GMT
In the wake of yesterday's appearance at the Karlovy Vary festival and the upcoming one for another lifetime achievement award at the S.Sebastian film festival, i was wondering, do you think Johnny Depp can make a great comeback (critical, commercial, or even win an Oscar) in the near future?? I personally think he was once one of the best actors of his generation and he deserves a great critical comeback. Some talented filmmaker out there has to give him his The Irishman or his Uncut Gems or something. Thoughts?? No, because recently it seems to me his attempts for "comeback" is only his way of taking a revenge out of his ex, not for artistic reasons. There's a fine article about him on Hollywood Reporter called " He's Radioactive" which is a very interesting read, just shows how revenge-thirsty he actually is. He keeps on playing the PR game non-stop in a Trump-like fashion: keeps painting Amber as the only villain of the relationship, says " Hollywood is boycotting him" but he's going to "fight for his fans" no matter what and the media is unfair to him. All these works really well with his social media presence since he has crazy, dedicated stans all over the internet. But doubt it'll do help with his career in mainstream films. Hollywood alienated him because the man is not easy to work with anymore; he can't remember his lines. He had always been an inconsistent actor but recently it looks like he almost forgot how to act. |
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Post by LaraQ on Aug 28, 2021 14:07:42 GMT
Amber's career prospects aren't looking too bright either.I think most people agree that she's a toxic as he is.Once Aquaman is done,I don't see her landing many,if any, roles of any significance.They've succeeded in ruining each other.
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Post by thomasjerome on Aug 28, 2021 14:23:50 GMT
Amber's career prospects aren't looking too bright either.I think most people agree that she's a toxic as he is.Once Aquaman is done,I don't see her landing many,if any, roles of any significance.They've succeeded in ruining each other. Indeed. The relationship was so toxic that it deserves its own movie. It's interesting what will happen to her career. Amber might be far from being a perfect person but unlike Depp, I never heard anyone complaining about her set behaviour or professionalism - regardless of what anyone thinks of her acting/talent. Just two years ago in Cannes, John Carpenter said working with her was the best thing about "The Ward" experience and would be more than glad to work with her again. Jonathan Levine ("Mandy Lane") was also full of praise for her intelligence as an actress. But at the same time, she's not a big star or anything. She didn't win any major awards for her acting. And Depp fans keep attacking her everywhere on the internet. In this case, it's not hard for Hollywood to give up on her. Just too toxic for them to deal with. We don't even know how big is her "Aquaman" role. Maybe she'll have much less of a screentime. That said, unlike Depp, who keeps bitching about how studios don't give him a chance, Heard had always done indie films and still do. Maybe a good project choice will help her to stay relevant to a certain degree. Her personal reviews were very positive for her film with Walken called "One More Time". |
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Post by jakesully on Aug 29, 2021 2:01:01 GMT
In the wake of yesterday's appearance at the Karlovy Vary festival and the upcoming one for another lifetime achievement award at the S.Sebastian film festival, i was wondering, do you think Johnny Depp can make a great comeback (critical, commercial, or even win an Oscar) in the near future?? I personally think he was once one of the best actors of his generation and he deserves a great critical comeback. Some talented filmmaker out there has to give him his The Irishman or his Uncut Gems or something. Thoughts?? No, because recently it seems to me his attempts for "comeback" is only his way of taking a revenge out of his ex, not for artistic reasons. There's a fine article about him on Hollywood Reporter called " He's Radioactive" which is a very interesting read, just shows how revenge-thirsty he actually is. He keeps on playing the PR game non-stop in a Trump-like fashion: keeps painting Amber as the only villain of the relationship, says " Hollywood is boycotting him" but he's going to "fight for his fans" no matter what and the media is unfair to him. All these works really well with his social media presence since he has crazy, dedicated stans all over the internet. But doubt it'll do help with his career in mainstream films. Hollywood alienated him because the man is not easy to work with anymore; he can't remember his lines. He had always been an inconsistent actor but recently it looks like he almost forgot how to act. Depp sounds like such a narcissistic washed up dbag nowadays. Its sad to watch him like this cause he was the shit in the 90s. He had so many great memorable roles & movies during that entire decade . I don't really see a big comeback for Deep these days (unless maybe Tarantino gives him a sizable juicy role in his next film. I don't know what Tarantino thinks of Depp though. Just pointing out that Tarantino has revived actors' careers in the past. For example, John Travolta in Pulp Fiction) Doubt it'll happen though and I don't care for it to happen either cause Depp's acting has gone to crap these days. Some poster suggested Depp should give television a shot and I thought that'd be interesting. Like if he was cast as one of the leads in an HBO mini series or something. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Aug 29, 2021 2:25:53 GMT
Not even a role in the Burton Addams family thing? I think he's done.
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Post by franklin on Aug 29, 2021 11:26:44 GMT
Depp in a Supporting role in the final Tarantino film or the next Scorsese film after KOTFM, or PTA, (and maybe even win an Oscar for it) would do the trick.
The real question is, do these filmmakers of this caliber even want him?? Are they even interested in helping him in an hypothetical critical comeback??
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Post by MsMovieStar on Aug 29, 2021 13:11:23 GMT
Oh honeys, what the hell is everyone talkin' about?!
Minamata (2020) has a 7.9 on IMDB and (71% ripe on RT) so clearly his career is far from over. I haven't actually seen it because I've been on a different psychotropic plane for the last week and have been unable to focus on anything but my nipples (I think they've got smaller)... but people with an interest in Chemistry absolutely adore him.
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Post by quetee on Aug 29, 2021 14:22:30 GMT
Depp in a Supporting role in the final Tarantino film or the next Scorsese film after KOTFM, or PTA, (and maybe even win an Oscar for it) would do the trick. The real question is, do these filmmakers of this caliber even want him?? Are they even interested in helping him in an hypothetical critical comeback?? They only care if he's still able to get a movie funded. |
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Post by flasuss on Aug 29, 2021 17:48:18 GMT
Tarantino not only worked for Weinstein for years, but also gave a role in his last film to Emile Hirsch, convicted for assaulting a woman in a night club, so I can see him working with Depp...
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