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Post by alexanderblanchett on Nov 17, 2020 17:56:10 GMT
My first Prediction this year:
BEST PICTURE
Da 5 Bloods Ma Rainey's Black Bottom Mank The Midnight Sky Minari News of the World Nomadland One Night in Miami Supernova The Trial of the Chicago 7
BEST DIRECTOR:
David Fincher: Mank Paul Greengrass: News of the World Spike Lee: Da 5 Bloods Aaron Sorkin: The Trial of the Chicago 7 Chloe Zhao: Nomadland
BEST ACTOR IN A LEADING ROLE:
Chadwick Boseman: Ma' Rainey's Black Bottom Colin Firth: Supernova Anthony Hopkins: The Father Gary Oldman: Mank Steven Yeun: Minari
BEST ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE
Viola Davis: Ma Rainey's Black Bottom Vanessa Kirby: Pieces of a Woman Sophia Loren: A Life Ahead Frances McDormand: Nomadland Michelle Pfeiffer: French Exit
BEST ACTOR IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Frank Langella: The Trial of the Chicago 7 Bill Murray: On the Rocks Leslie Odom Jr. : One Night in Miami David Strathairn: Nomadland Stanley Tucci: Supernova
BEST ACTRESS IN A SUPPORTING ROLE:
Glenn Close: Hillbilly Elegy Olivia Colman: The Father Saoirse Ronan: Annomite Amanda Seyfried: Mank Helena Zengel: News of the World
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 17, 2020 18:28:18 GMT
alexanderblanchett I think either Jessie Buckley or Rashida Jones will take la Pfeiffer's spot. I don't see Tucci , Firth and Ronan happening either. I sure hope you're right about Loren because her performance was absolutely magnificent.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 17, 2020 18:30:50 GMT
alexanderblanchett I think either Jessie Buckley or Rashida Jones will take la Pfeiffer's spot. I don't see Tucci , Firth and Ronan happening either. I sure hope you're right about Loren because her performance was absolutely magnificent. Streep will probably get her regularly scheduled filler nomination for The Prom, imho .And I expect if her movie gets a solid reception, Andra Day is likely being nominated for playing Billie Holiday. Don't see much buzz for Loren or Pfieffer.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 17, 2020 18:52:56 GMT
alexanderblanchett I think either Jessie Buckley or Rashida Jones will take la Pfeiffer's spot. I don't see Tucci , Firth and Ronan happening either. I sure hope you're right about Loren because her performance was absolutely magnificent. Streep will probably get her regularly scheduled filler nomination for The Prom, imho.And I expect if her movie gets a solid reception, Andra Day is likely being nominated for playing Billie Holiday. Don't see much buzz for Loren or Pfieffer.Oh Christ ! Yeah, you're probably right
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Nov 17, 2020 19:35:24 GMT
alexanderblanchett I think either Jessie Buckley or Rashida Jones will take la Pfeiffer's spot. I don't see Tucci , Firth and Ronan happening either. I sure hope you're right about Loren because her performance was absolutely magnificent. I think Pfeiffer will profit from the "Overdue" bill/factor. I dont see Jones, although she was good as I dont think "On The Rocks" will go anywhere further than the Murray recognition. Buckley is possible but I think the film itself is just too out of the world for the Academy (although its my current favorite of the year) I am very positive that "Supernova" will do very well, it has Oscar written all over it. At this point I think its pretty save. But yeah at this stage I will not spread out guarantees Ronan is indeed a "wishful" thinking. I haven't seen the film but I love my annual Ronan treat at the Oscars. Sophia Loren fills two bills - the legendary & foreign bill. Lets see. She was fantastic indeed.
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Nov 17, 2020 19:47:04 GMT
alexanderblanchett I think either Jessie Buckley or Rashida Jones will take la Pfeiffer's spot. I don't see Tucci , Firth and Ronan happening either. I sure hope you're right about Loren because her performance was absolutely magnificent. Streep will probably get her regularly scheduled filler nomination for The Prom, imho .And I expect if her movie gets a solid reception, Andra Day is likely being nominated for playing Billie Holiday. Don't see much buzz for Loren or Pfieffer.You could definitely be right about Streep getting her filler position (she was absence from an Oscar nom for quite. a time now for her standards) but I dont see the film hitting big at all, in fact I think it might end up becoming this years big failure / disappointment. I could be wrong of course but as long as the reviews are not in and are widely positive I dont see it yet.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 17, 2020 22:01:01 GMT
Streep will probably get her regularly scheduled filler nomination for The Prom, imho .And I expect if her movie gets a solid reception, Andra Day is likely being nominated for playing Billie Holiday. Don't see much buzz for Loren or Pfieffer. You could definitely be right about Streep getting her filler position (she was absence from an Oscar nom for quite. a time now for her standards) but I dont see the film hitting big at all, in fact I think it might end up becoming this years big failure / disappointment. I could be wrong of course but as long as the reviews are not in and are widely positive I dont see it yet. Well, Clayton Davis from Variety and Pete Hammond from Deadline have already seen The Prom, and they both really like the film and seem very big on it's awards chances with both the Globes and Oscars . Now I concede they could just be both over-enthusiastic easy lays for Ryan Murphy, and critical consensus may end up differing from what they feel. But they do count as legit industry sources that have seen the film, so for now, their positive buzz on the movie is all we can really go on.
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 18, 2020 2:23:48 GMT
No The Father in BP? Midnight Sky? Spike Lee? Firth? Pfeiffer? Murray AND Langella??? I don't see how you can have Supernova getting into picture and not a film with similar themes, The Father. The Father has better reviews, 2 Oscar winners leading it, one overdue for a 2nd and one that won a few years ago, and has a much better distributor. It has a legitimate shot at 2 acting wins whilst Supernova won't even be able to manage 2 noms. Da 5 Bloods too feels like such an afterthought, I really think its Lindo or bust for that film. Also Pfeiffer is so wildly DOA, I was shocked to see her in your Top 5. To be fair so are Buckley and Jones HELENA MARIA .
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 18, 2020 3:53:08 GMT
No The Father in BP? Midnight Sky? Spike Lee? Firth? Pfeiffer? Murray AND Langella??? I don't see how you can have Supernova getting into picture and not a film with similar themes, The Father. The Father has better reviews, 2 Oscar winners leading it, one overdue for a 2nd and one that won a few years ago. and has a much better distributor. It has a legitimate shot at 2 acting wins whilst Supernova won't even be able to manage 2 noms. Da 5 Bloods too feels like such an afterthought, I really think its Lindo or bust for that film. Also Pfeiffer is so wildly DOA, I was shocked to see her in your Top 5. To be fair so are Buckley and Jones HELENA MARIA . Da 5 Bloods is really helped by some supposed BP candidates not being as big with critics as possibly excpected. It is still the second highest rated film in the race on Metacritic (of films with more than 20 reviews to date) after Nomadland. Mank is on 79. The Trial Of The Chicago 7 is on 76. I'm suprised there is any passion for Chicago 7 at all, as it's such a mid-tier thing with critics and I expected Mank to be a much bigger, less divisive critical juggernaut, closer to Nomadland. Da 5 Bloods is on 82. People tend to use Metacritic every year to ascertain BP probability, so it's a bit odd now that Da 5 Blood is doing much better on Metacritic than some supposed frontrunners that people aren't acknowledging it may be stronger in the race than presumed, despite being the oldest contender on release. It needed some big contenders to underperform critically, and they have. Also, Chadwick Boseman is in real play for a supporting actor nod for Da 5 Bloods. He's undeniable for a Best Actor nod in Ma Rainey's Black Bottom based on reactions, but Netflix are also pushing hard for him to get double nominations, and the sentiment is clearly there for it to happen. I don't believe it's unlikely that Boseman can get double nominated either, which would be a remarkable tribute by the industry to him. So it's in real play for more than one acting nod, beyond Lindo.
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 18, 2020 4:20:56 GMT
No The Father in BP? Midnight Sky? Spike Lee? Firth? Pfeiffer? Murray AND Langella??? I don't see how you can have Supernova getting into picture and not a film with similar themes, The Father. The Father has better reviews, 2 Oscar winners leading it, one overdue for a 2nd and one that won a few years ago. and has a much better distributor. It has a legitimate shot at 2 acting wins whilst Supernova won't even be able to manage 2 noms. Da 5 Bloods too feels like such an afterthought, I really think its Lindo or bust for that film. Also Pfeiffer is so wildly DOA, I was shocked to see her in your Top 5. To be fair so are Buckley and Jones HELENA MARIA . Da 5 Bloods is really helped by some supposed BP candidates not being as big with critics as possibly excpected. It is still the second highest rated film in the race on Metacritic (of films with more than 20 reviews to date) after Nomadland. Mank is on 79. The Trial Of The Chicago 7 is on 76. I'm suprised there is any passion for Chicago 7 at all, as it's such a mid-tier thing with critics and I expected Mank to be a much bigger, less divisive critical juggernaut, closer to Nomadland. Da 5 Bloods is on 82. People tend to use Metacritic every year to ascertain BP probability, so it's a bit odd now that Da 5 Blood is doing much better on Metacritic than some supposed frontrunners that people aren't acknowledging it may be stronger in the race than presumed, despite being the oldest contender on release. It needed some big contenders to underperform critically, and they have. Also, Chadwick Boseman is in real play for a supporting actor nod for Da 5 Bloods. He's undeniable for a Best Actor nod in Ma Rainey's Black Bottom based on reactions, but Netflix are also pushing hard for him to get double nominations, and the sentiment is clearly there for it to happen. I don't believe it's unlikely that Boseman can get double nominated either, which would be a remarkable tribute by the industry to him. So it's in real play for more than one acting nod, beyond Lindo.I can see where you're coming from, I just don't agree with any of it
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 18, 2020 5:58:13 GMT
my predictions are worthless but why the hell not
BEST PICTURE 1. Nomadland 2. Mank 3. The Trial of the Chicago 7 4. One Night in Miami 5. Ma Rainey's Black Bottom 6. The Father 7. News of the World 8. Minari 9. Judas and the Black Messiah 10. Soul
BEST DIRECTOR 1. David Fincher - Mank 2. Chloe Zhao - Nomadland 3. Aaron Sorkin - The Trial of the Chicago 7 4. Florian Zeller - The Father 5. Regina King - One Night in Miami
BEST ACTRESS 1. Viola Davis - Ma Rainey's Black Bottom 2. Vanessa Kirby - Pieces of a Woman 3. Frances McDormand - Nomadland 4. Kate Winslet - Ammonite 5. Andra Day - The United States vs. Billie Holiday
BEST ACTOR 1. Chadwick Boseman - Ma Rainey's Black Bottom 2. Anthony Hopkins - The Father 3. Gary Oldman - Mank 4. Delroy Lindo - Da 5 Bloods 5. Daniel Kaluuya - Judas and the Black Messiah *if Kaluuya goes supporting, I'll say Steven Yeun takes the 5th spot for Minari
BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS 1. Ellen Burstyn, Pieces of a Woman 2. Olivia Colman, The Father 3. Amanda Seyfried, Mank 4. Glenn Close, Hillbilly Elegy (she can probably get in despite the reviews) 5. Maria Bakalova, Borat Subsequent Moviefilm
BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR 1. Leslie Odom Jr., One Night in Miami 2. Sacha Baron Cohen, The Trial of the Chicago 7 3. Mark Rylance, The Trial of the Chicago 7 4. David Strathairn, Nomadland 5. Stanley Tucci, Supernova
BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY 1. Nomadland 2. One Night in Miami 3. The Father 4. Ma Rainey's Black Bottom 5. News of the World
BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY 1. The Trial of the Chicago 7 2. Minari 3. Soul 4. Mank 5. Da 5 Bloods
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 18, 2020 5:59:18 GMT
Da 5 Bloods is really helped by some supposed BP candidates not being as big with critics as possibly excpected. It is still the second highest rated film in the race on Metacritic (of films with more than 20 reviews to date) after Nomadland. Mank is on 79. The Trial Of The Chicago 7 is on 76. I'm suprised there is any passion for Chicago 7 at all, as it's such a mid-tier thing with critics and I expected Mank to be a much bigger, less divisive critical juggernaut, closer to Nomadland. Da 5 Bloods is on 82. People tend to use Metacritic every year to ascertain BP probability, so it's a bit odd now that Da 5 Blood is doing much better on Metacritic than some supposed frontrunners that people aren't acknowledging it may be stronger in the race than presumed, despite being the oldest contender on release. It needed some big contenders to underperform critically, and they have. Also, Chadwick Boseman is in real play for a supporting actor nod for Da 5 Bloods. He's undeniable for a Best Actor nod in Ma Rainey's Black Bottom based on reactions, but Netflix are also pushing hard for him to get double nominations, and the sentiment is clearly there for it to happen. I don't believe it's unlikely that Boseman can get double nominated either, which would be a remarkable tribute by the industry to him. So it's in real play for more than one acting nod, beyond Lindo. I can see where you're coming from, I just don't agree with any of it Fair enough . From my point of view, the race changes all the time, week by week and we need to keep up with developments. The things I pointed out in my last post makes it seem obvious (to me anyway) that things are probably looking better for Da 5 Bloods now than they were, say 2 months ago (when as you said, many people figured it to end up an afterthought due to it's early release, on the expectation that all the shiny new things like Mank would be bigger critical darlings than they turned out to be and nobody knew Netflix were all-in on Boseman double nods)
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Post by TerryMontana on Nov 18, 2020 6:15:59 GMT
November predictions are way too early this year. I'll start the guessing game in about two months.
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 18, 2020 6:21:31 GMT
my predictions are worthless but why the hell notBEST PICTURE 1. Nomadland 2. Mank 3. The Trial of the Chicago 7 4. One Night in Miami 5. Ma Rainey's Black Bottom 6. The Father 7. News of the World 8. Minari 9. Judas and the Black Messiah 10. Soul BEST DIRECTOR 1. David Fincher - Mank 2. Chloe Zhao - Nomadland 3. Aaron Sorkin - The Trial of the Chicago 7 4. Florian Zeller - The Father 5. Regina King - One Night in Miami BEST ACTRESS 1. Viola Davis - Ma Rainey's Black Bottom 2. Vanessa Kirby - Pieces of a Woman 3. Frances McDormand - Nomadland 4. Kate Winslet - Ammonite 5. Andra Day - The United States vs. Billie Holiday BEST ACTOR 1. Chadwick Boseman - Ma Rainey's Black Bottom 2. Anthony Hopkins - The Father 3. Gary Oldman - Mank 4. Delroy Lindo - Da 5 Bloods 5. Daniel Kaluuya - Judas and the Black Messiah *if Kaluuya goes supporting, I'll say Steven Yeun takes the 5th spot for Minari BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS 1. Ellen Burstyn, Pieces of a Woman 2. Olivia Colman, The Father 3. Amanda Seyfried, Mank 4. Glenn Close, Hillbilly Elegy (she can probably get in despite the reviews) 5. Maria Bakalova, Borat Subsequent Moviefilm BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR 1. Leslie Odom Jr., One Night in Miami 2. Sacha Baron Cohen, The Trial of the Chicago 7 3. Mark Rylance, The Trial of the Chicago 7 4. David Strathairn, Nomadland 5. Stanley Tucci, Supernova BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY 1. Nomadland 2. One Night in Miami 3. The Father 4. Ma Rainey's Black Bottom 5. News of the World BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY 1. The Trial of the Chicago 7 2. Minari 3. Soul 4. Mank 5. Da 5 Bloods Don't say that, they're better than the OP's
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 18, 2020 6:27:15 GMT
I can see where you're coming from, I just don't agree with any of it Fair enough . From my point of view, the race changes all the time, week by week and we need to keep up with developments. The things I pointed out in my last post makes it seem obvious (to me anyway) that things are probably looking better for Da 5 Bloods now than they were, say 2 months ago (when as you said, many people figured it to end up an afterthought due to it's early release, on the expectation that all the shiny new things like Mank would be bigger critical darlings than they turned out to be and nobody knew Netflix were all-in on Boseman double nods) The problem I have with your argument that it has the 2nd best reviews out of the contenders and that other films aren't as bigger critical darlings as you thought is inherently tied to its release. Da 5 Bloods came out months ago so everyone has already seen it. Most of the potential big contenders either a) have only screened for select critics so far or b) no one has even seen yet. So yes, it has pretty good reviews but over the coming months the film is more than likely going to fall further and further down the Metacritic list. Plus there is the issue of Netflix's priorities. They will 100% push Mank, TTOTC7 and Ma Rainey ahead of it at the very least. Then they still have to juggle Pieces of a Woman, The Prom, Midnight Sky and Hillbilly Elegy. That is quite a lot on their plate for them to focus on a film that feels like it kind of came and went with no real prospects outside of Lindo (I don't buy Boseman getting double noms for a sec). Of course it is only November so who the fuck knows, but just my 2 cents
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 18, 2020 6:38:05 GMT
Here are mine btw (assuming for now that Judas won't come out in time):
Picture The Father Ma Rainey's Black Bottom Mank Minari News of the World Nomadland One Night in Miami Soul The Trial of the Chicago 7 The United States vs. Billie Holiday
Alt: Judas and the Black Messiah
Director Aaron Sorkin- The Trial of the Chicago 7 Chloe Zhao- The Father David Fincher- Mank Florian Zeller- The Father Paul Greengrass- News of the World
Alt: Regina King- One Night in Miami
Lead Actor Anthony Hopkins- The Father Chadwick Boseman- Ma Rainey's Black Bottom Delroy Lindo- Da 5 Bloods Gary Oldman- Mank Tom Hanks- News of the World
Alt: Riz Ahmed- The Sound of Metal
Lead Actress Andra Day- The United States vs. Billie Holiday Carey Mulligan- Promising Young Woman Frances McDormand- Nomadland Vanessa Kirby- Pieces of a Woman Viola Davis- Ma Rainey's Black Bottom
Alt: Meryl Streep- The Prom
Supporting Actor Leslie Odom Jr.- One Night in Miami Mark Rylance- The Trial of the Chicago 7 Sacha Baron Cohen- The Trial of the Chicago 7 Stanley Tucci- Supernova Trevante Rhodes- The United States vs. Billie Holiday
Alt: Glynn Turman- Ma Rainey's Black Bottom
Supporting Actress Amanda Seyfried- Mank Glenn Close- Hillbilly Elegy Helena Zengel- News of the World Maria Bakalova- Borat Subsequent Moviefilm Olivia Colman- The Father
Alt: Yuh-Jung Youn- Minari
Original Screenplay Mank Minari Promising Young Woman Soul The Trial of the Chicago 7
Alt: Palm Springs
Best Adapted Screenplay The Father Ma Rainey's Black Bottom News of the World Nomadland One Night in Miami
Alt: The United States vs. Billie Holiday
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 18, 2020 6:56:57 GMT
Fair enough . From my point of view, the race changes all the time, week by week and we need to keep up with developments. The things I pointed out in my last post makes it seem obvious (to me anyway) that things are probably looking better for Da 5 Bloods now than they were, say 2 months ago (when as you said, many people figured it to end up an afterthought due to it's early release, on the expectation that all the shiny new things like Mank would be bigger critical darlings than they turned out to be and nobody knew Netflix were all-in on Boseman double nods) The problem I have with your argument that it has the 2nd best reviews out of the contenders and that other films aren't as bigger critical darlings as you thought is inherently tied to its release. Da 5 Bloods came out months ago so everyone has already seen it. Most of the potential big contenders either a) have only screened for select critics so far or b) no one has even seen yet. So yes, it has pretty good reviews but over the coming months the film is more than likely going to fall further and further down the Metacritic list. Plus there is the issue of Netflix's priorities. They will 100% push Mank, TTOTC7 and Ma Rainey ahead of it at the very least. Then they still have to juggle Pieces of a Woman, The Prom, Midnight Sky and Hillbilly Elegy. That is quite a lot on their plate for them to focus on a film that feels like it kind of came and went with no real prospects outside of Lindo (I don't buy Boseman getting double noms for a sec). Of course it is only November so who the fuck knows, but just my 2 cents Nope. Mank (absolutely one of the biggest contenders) is on 79 on Metacritic with 33 reviews. This isn't Rotten Tomatoes, where we can expect hundreds more reviews. It's almost maxed out. It's score is not going to change that much in either direction, as not many more reviews will be added. If anything, it's score is probably more likely to drop with the dozen or so reviews left to be added. The only real big contender left that we need to see a decent sampling of reviews from is probably News Of The World.Trial Of The Chicago is on 76 on Metacritic with 47 reviews. It is not going to get any better. Why on earth would Netflix prioritise it over one of the best reviewed films of the year ( Da 5 Bloods) with a locked in Best Actor nomination and a strong potenial supporting actor nomination, directed by one of the most respected auteurs in the business ( Spike Lee), fresh off a recent Best Picture and Best Director nomination for Blackklansman (and an Adapted Screenplay Oscar win for Lee) for an Aaron Sorkin drama with comparatively so-so reviews? I'm trying to figure the logic in that. Lee just recently came off a huge year in just about every major category with his last film with the Academy, and suddenly he's less of a Oscar priority for Netflix for a film with lesser reviews by a screenwriter who is yet to be percieved as a major director (even most of his nominations for Molly's Game were for his screenplay, not his directing. Billy Wilder he ain't). Make it make sense. Of course they will try to get nods for Chicago 7. But other than it being released later, it has zero advantadge over Da 5 Bloods. The reviews just weren't amazing enough to declare that Netflix will prioritise it over Da 5 Boods. Why people are also choosing to ignore that Lee has also just come off Blackklansman and has never had more cache or popularity with AMPAS at any point of his career than now, is beyond me. These things matter. Also, you don't have to buy Boseman getting double nods. But the fact that major industry publications like The Wrap are writing whole articles about the possibility, means that there is a movement to make it happen (most likely backed agressively by Netflix), that would be idiotic to ignore: Feels like some wishful thinking going on in terms of the changing realities of the race, but we'll see.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 18, 2020 6:58:47 GMT
The Father will almost certainly get into Picture and likely Director as well.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 18, 2020 7:48:18 GMT
Critics honestly don't mean all that much, especially lately. Jojo Rabbit and Joker both had metacritic scores in the 50s and performed much better than Marriage Story and Little Women which were critical blowouts (and let's not even talk about Green Book). Parasite didn't win because the critics liked it, it won because everyone and their dog liked it.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 18, 2020 7:55:48 GMT
Critics honestly don't mean all that much, especially lately. Jojo Rabbit and Joker both had metacritic scores in the 50s and performed much better than Marriage Story and Little Women which were critical blowouts (and let's not even talk about Green Book). Parasite didn't win because the critics liked it, it won because everyone and their dog liked it. We need to be consistent here. People use Critics and Metacritic when it suits them, then claim it doesn't matter when it doesn't suit them. In truth, it's somewhere in the middle. Sure, if you make a billion dollars like Joker or appeal to industry basics and crowdpleasers like Green Book you can overcome a certain level of critical apathy. But for the most part, reviews and acclaim still matter when it comes to the majority of Best Picture contenders.
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 18, 2020 11:22:38 GMT
The problem I have with your argument that it has the 2nd best reviews out of the contenders and that other films aren't as bigger critical darlings as you thought is inherently tied to its release. Da 5 Bloods came out months ago so everyone has already seen it. Most of the potential big contenders either a) have only screened for select critics so far or b) no one has even seen yet. So yes, it has pretty good reviews but over the coming months the film is more than likely going to fall further and further down the Metacritic list. Plus there is the issue of Netflix's priorities. They will 100% push Mank, TTOTC7 and Ma Rainey ahead of it at the very least. Then they still have to juggle Pieces of a Woman, The Prom, Midnight Sky and Hillbilly Elegy. That is quite a lot on their plate for them to focus on a film that feels like it kind of came and went with no real prospects outside of Lindo (I don't buy Boseman getting double noms for a sec). Of course it is only November so who the fuck knows, but just my 2 cents Nope. Mank (absolutely one of the biggest contenders) is on 79 on Metacritic with 33 reviews. This isn't Rotten Tomatoes, where we can expect hundreds more reviews. It's almost maxed out. It's score is not going to change that much in either direction, as not many more reviews will be added. If anything, it's score is probably more likely to drop with the dozen or so reviews left to be added. The only real big contender left that we need to see a decent sampling of reviews from is probably News Of The World.Trial Of The Chicago is on 76 on Metacritic with 47 reviews. It is not going to get any better. Why on earth would Netflix prioritise it over one of the best reviewed films of the year ( Da 5 Bloods) with a locked in Best Actor nomination and a strong potenial supporting actor nomination, directed by one of the most respected auteurs in the business ( Spike Lee), fresh off a recent Best Picture and Best Director nomination for Blackklansman (and an Adapted Screenplay Oscar win for Lee) for an Aaron Sorkin drama with comparatively so-so reviews? I'm trying to figure the logic in that. Lee just recently came off a huge year in just about every major category with his last film with the Academy, and suddenly he's less of a Oscar priority for Netflix for a film with lesser reviews by a screenwriter who is yet to be percieved as a major director (even most of his nominations for Molly's Game were for his screenplay, not his directing. Billy Wilder he ain't). Make it make sense. Of course they will try to get nods for Chicago 7. But other than it being released later, it has zero advantadge over Da 5 Bloods. The reviews just weren't amazing enough to declare that Netflix will prioritise it over Da 5 Boods. Why people are also choosing to ignore that Lee has also just come off Blackklansman and has never had more cache or popularity with AMPAS at any point of his career than now, is beyond me. These things matter. Also, you don't have to buy Boseman getting double nods. But the fact that major industry publications like The Wrap are writing whole articles about the possibility, means that there is a movement to make it happen (most likely backed agressively by Netflix), that would be idiotic to ignore: Feels like some wishful thinking going on in terms of the changing realities of the race, but we'll see. I wasn't talking about Mank when I mentioned that we have small sample sizes on some major contenders. In an earlier post you mentioned that "Da 5 Bloods has the 2nd best reviews out of films with 20 or more reviews", so let's look at that. That means we're still waiting on a bigger sample size for films such The Father, Soul, Minari, One Night in Miami and Ma Rainey's Black Bottom and we haven't even gotten a single review yet for News of the World, The United States vs. Billie Holliday or Judas and the Black Messiah (if it comes out in time). I'm not saying that many of these films have the potential to win but they can all very quickly fill up those remaining BP slots after Mank, Nomadland and TTOTC7. Also you keep on talking about the Metacritic numbers for Trial and Mank as if they are drastically behind Da 5 Bloods, were in actuality 76 v 79 v 82 isn't really that much of a difference. "But other than it being released later, TTOTC7 has zero advantage over Da 5 Bloods". I mean yeah sure, other than the fact that it is way more crowd pleasing and panders to basic members of the Academy a whole lot more. And also the fact that it will most likely get 2 acting nominations and has a much better chance of winning one than Da 5 Bloods does. Studios prioritise films based on how they think they will do in the awards season. Netflix doesn’t care that Lee is more of an acclaimed director than Sorkin, if the writing is on the wall they will go with the more surefire contender regardless. Oh come on, publications like The Wrap mean jack shit. The other day I saw an article about how Borat 2 has a good chance of getting nominated for more than just Bakalova. They are at the point of the race where they are throwing things at the wall to see what sticks and writing articles that they know are going to get them a lot of clicks. When Clayton fucking Davis is the head awards guy for one of the major trades, you should know to take them with a huge grain of salt. What do you mean by "wishful thinking"? You mean on my end? Because Da 5 Bloods is my #2 of the year and I would love to see it succeed but sadly I have to be realistic. Da 5 Bloods is a film that hasn't grabbed the interest of general audiences and came out very early in an extended awards race. When the dust settles there will be 8-10 legit contenders with better reviews so you can throw that argument out the window. If you want to throw terms around like 'wishful thinking' go for it, but just know that your posts sound like a hardcore Spike Lee stan who is desperately trying to convince themselves that the film is in a much better position than it is.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 18, 2020 11:29:54 GMT
Nope. Mank (absolutely one of the biggest contenders) is on 79 on Metacritic with 33 reviews. This isn't Rotten Tomatoes, where we can expect hundreds more reviews. It's almost maxed out. It's score is not going to change that much in either direction, as not many more reviews will be added. If anything, it's score is probably more likely to drop with the dozen or so reviews left to be added. The only real big contender left that we need to see a decent sampling of reviews from is probably News Of The World.Trial Of The Chicago is on 76 on Metacritic with 47 reviews. It is not going to get any better. Why on earth would Netflix prioritise it over one of the best reviewed films of the year ( Da 5 Bloods) with a locked in Best Actor nomination and a strong potenial supporting actor nomination, directed by one of the most respected auteurs in the business ( Spike Lee), fresh off a recent Best Picture and Best Director nomination for Blackklansman (and an Adapted Screenplay Oscar win for Lee) for an Aaron Sorkin drama with comparatively so-so reviews? I'm trying to figure the logic in that. Lee just recently came off a huge year in just about every major category with his last film with the Academy, and suddenly he's less of a Oscar priority for Netflix for a film with lesser reviews by a screenwriter who is yet to be percieved as a major director (even most of his nominations for Molly's Game were for his screenplay, not his directing. Billy Wilder he ain't). Make it make sense. Of course they will try to get nods for Chicago 7. But other than it being released later, it has zero advantadge over Da 5 Bloods. The reviews just weren't amazing enough to declare that Netflix will prioritise it over Da 5 Boods. Why people are also choosing to ignore that Lee has also just come off Blackklansman and has never had more cache or popularity with AMPAS at any point of his career than now, is beyond me. These things matter. Also, you don't have to buy Boseman getting double nods. But the fact that major industry publications like The Wrap are writing whole articles about the possibility, means that there is a movement to make it happen (most likely backed agressively by Netflix), that would be idiotic to ignore: Feels like some wishful thinking going on in terms of the changing realities of the race, but we'll see. I wasn't talking about Mank when I mentioned that we have small sample sizes on some major contenders. In an earlier post you mentioned that "Da 5 Bloods has the 2nd best reviews out of films with 20 or more reviews", so let's look at that. That means we're still waiting on a bigger sample size for films such The Father, Soul, Minari, One Night in Miami and Ma Rainey's Black Bottom and we haven't even gotten a single review yet for News of the World, The United States vs. Billie Holliday or Judas and the Black Messiah (if it comes out in time). I'm not saying that many of these films have the potential to win but they can all very quickly fill up those remaining BP slots after Mank, Nomadland and TTOTC7. Also you keep on talking about the Metacritic numbers for Trial and Mank as if they are drastically behind Da 5 Bloods, were in actuality 76 v 79 v 82 isn't really that much of a difference. "But other than it being released later, TTOTC7 has zero advantage over Da 5 Bloods". I mean yeah sure, other than the fact that it is way more crowd pleasing and panders to basic members of the Academy a whole lot more. And also the fact that it will most likely get 2 acting nominations and has a much better chance of winning one than Da 5 Bloods does. Studios prioritise films based on how they think they will do in the awards season. Netflix doesn’t care that Lee is more of an acclaimed director than Sorkin, if the writing is on the wall they will go with the more surefire contender regardless. Oh come on, publications like The Wrap mean jack shit. The other day I saw an article about how Borat 2 has a good chance of getting nominated for more than just Bakalova. They are at the point of the race where they are throwing things at the wall to see what sticks and writing articles that they know are going to get them a lot of clicks. When Clayton fucking Davis is the head awards guy for one of the major trades, you should know to take them with a huge grain of salt. What do you mean by "wishful thinking"? You mean on my end? Because Da 5 Bloods is my #2 of the year and I would love to see it succeed but sadly I have to be realistic. Da 5 Bloods is a film that hasn't grabbed the interest of general audiences and came out very early in an extended awards race. When the dust settles there will be 8-10 legit contenders with better reviews so you can throw that argument out the window. If you want to throw terms around like 'wishful thinking' go for it, but just know that your posts sound like a hardcore Spike Lee stan who is desperately trying to convince themselves that the film is in a much better position than it is. C'mon man, it took you 4 hours to come back with this. Your "Spike Lee Stan" attack is pathetic and beneath you. I like Lee well enough, but I'm more than happy to admit when I think something is out of the running (conceding when you might be wrong about something is an admirable trait in anyone,imho). If I thought Lee and his film were done in the race, I'd say so and wouldn't lose the slightest amount of sleep over it. I made some good points, that you are too stubborn to concede. It is what it is. It's just a conversation about predicting man. It doesn't have to be unpleasant. Maybe I'm right. Maybe you will be proven right. All we can do is make an argument and see where the chips fall. But all my arguments on this come from a place of logic and actual developments in the race, not emotion or fanboyism.
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 18, 2020 11:51:35 GMT
I wasn't talking about Mank when I mentioned that we have small sample sizes on some major contenders. In an earlier post you mentioned that "Da 5 Bloods has the 2nd best reviews out of films with 20 or more reviews", so let's look at that. That means we're still waiting on a bigger sample size for films such The Father, Soul, Minari, One Night in Miami and Ma Rainey's Black Bottom and we haven't even gotten a single review yet for News of the World, The United States vs. Billie Holliday or Judas and the Black Messiah (if it comes out in time). I'm not saying that many of these films have the potential to win but they can all very quickly fill up those remaining BP slots after Mank, Nomadland and TTOTC7. Also you keep on talking about the Metacritic numbers for Trial and Mank as if they are drastically behind Da 5 Bloods, were in actuality 76 v 79 v 82 isn't really that much of a difference. "But other than it being released later, TTOTC7 has zero advantage over Da 5 Bloods". I mean yeah sure, other than the fact that it is way more crowd pleasing and panders to basic members of the Academy a whole lot more. And also the fact that it will most likely get 2 acting nominations and has a much better chance of winning one than Da 5 Bloods does. Studios prioritise films based on how they think they will do in the awards season. Netflix doesn’t care that Lee is more of an acclaimed director than Sorkin, if the writing is on the wall they will go with the more surefire contender regardless. Oh come on, publications like The Wrap mean jack shit. The other day I saw an article about how Borat 2 has a good chance of getting nominated for more than just Bakalova. They are at the point of the race where they are throwing things at the wall to see what sticks and writing articles that they know are going to get them a lot of clicks. When Clayton fucking Davis is the head awards guy for one of the major trades, you should know to take them with a huge grain of salt. What do you mean by "wishful thinking"? You mean on my end? Because Da 5 Bloods is my #2 of the year and I would love to see it succeed but sadly I have to be realistic. Da 5 Bloods is a film that hasn't grabbed the interest of general audiences and came out very early in an extended awards race. When the dust settles there will be 8-10 legit contenders with better reviews so you can throw that argument out the window. If you want to throw terms around like 'wishful thinking' go for it, but just know that your posts sound like a hardcore Spike Lee stan who is desperately trying to convince themselves that the film is in a much better position than it is. C'mon man, it took you 4 hours to come back with this. Your "Spike Lee Stan" attack is pathetic and beneath you. I like Lee well enough, but I'm more than happy to admit when I think something is out of the running (conceding when you might be wrong about something is an admirable trait in anyone,imho). If I thought Lee and his film were done in the race, I'd say so and wouldn't lose the slightest amount of sleep over it. I made some good points, that you are too stubborn to concede. It is what it is. It's just a conversation about predicting man. It doesn't have to be unpleasant. Maybe I'm right. Maybe you will be proven right. All we can do is make an argument and see where the chips fall. But all my arguments on this come from a place of logic and actual developments in the race, not emotion or fanboyism. Oh wow, I genuinely wasn't expecting a response like this because I didn't think my post would come across like that. I wasn't trying to personally attack you and if you feel that way, then I am genuinely sorry. If anything, my last little paragraph was just matching the tone of your posts as some of the stuff you said came across, for me personally, as quite snide and passive-aggressive. But anyway, I'm all good with dropping this discussion for now in case it takes a wrong turn. And yes, it took me 4 hours to reply, was chilling with the fam. Sorry to disappoint
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 18, 2020 11:57:32 GMT
C'mon man, it took you 4 hours to come back with this. Your "Spike Lee Stan" attack is pathetic and beneath you. I like Lee well enough, but I'm more than happy to admit when I think something is out of the running (conceding when you might be wrong about something is an admirable trait in anyone,imho). If I thought Lee and his film were done in the race, I'd say so and wouldn't lose the slightest amount of sleep over it. I made some good points, that you are too stubborn to concede. It is what it is. It's just a conversation about predicting man. It doesn't have to be unpleasant. Maybe I'm right. Maybe you will be proven right. All we can do is make an argument and see where the chips fall. But all my arguments on this come from a place of logic and actual developments in the race, not emotion or fanboyism. Oh wow, I genuinely wasn't expecting a response like this because I didn't think my post would come across like that. I wasn't trying to personally attack you and if you feel that way, then I am genuinely sorry. If anything, my last little paragraph was just matching the tone of your posts as some of the stuff you said came across, for me personally, as quite snide and passive-aggressive. But anyway, I'm all good with dropping this discussion for now in case it takes a wrong turn. And yes, it took me 4 hours to reply, was chilling with the fam. Sorry to disappoint Don't worry about it. We can all come across slightly different to others in written conversation than we assume in our heads. It's an occasional hazard of this form of communication . No harm, no foul. I agree, let's call this one a day for now
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 18, 2020 12:05:06 GMT
Oh wow, I genuinely wasn't expecting a response like this because I didn't think my post would come across like that. I wasn't trying to personally attack you and if you feel that way, then I am genuinely sorry. If anything, my last little paragraph was just matching the tone of your posts as some of the stuff you said came across, for me personally, as quite snide and passive-aggressive. But anyway, I'm all good with dropping this discussion for now in case it takes a wrong turn. And yes, it took me 4 hours to reply, was chilling with the fam. Sorry to disappoint Don't worry about it. We can all come across slightly different to others in written conversation than we assume in our heads. It's an occasional hazard of this form of communication . No harm, no foul. I agree, let's call this one a day for now Actually just one more quick thing, because we had this conversation a few months ago and I want to see if your answer has changed. Which film do you think will do better overall this awards season, The Father or Da 5 Bloods? No explanation needed, I just am curious
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