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Post by tobias on Nov 24, 2020 1:25:24 GMT
I wanna say Reagan but I find it hard not to say Bush.
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Post by stabcaesar on Nov 24, 2020 2:29:31 GMT
I don't see how Trump can be argued to have done more damage than Bush Jr. As embarrassing as Trump was, he didn't start a war that ruined millions of lives.
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Post by jimmalone on Nov 24, 2020 10:10:49 GMT
It's Trump for me, because he is just crazy and it's just luck that he wasn't involved in any worldwide crisis like 9/11 or Vietnam. But you also have to judge a politicians influence in "normal" everyday life and the idiotic decisions (climate, immigration, lies) he made here are just mindblowing. As well obviously as his morals and behaviour, which is a huge standard for every president and leader, because obviously they reflect not only his person, but also lead to his politics. And while there are huge flaws for basically everybody on this, Trump tops them all.
2nd is G.W. Bush for sure.
And I'd actually argue Ford on 3rd place, just ahead of Nixon.
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Post by ibbi on Nov 24, 2020 11:49:54 GMT
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Post by mattfincher on Nov 24, 2020 17:09:32 GMT
lol, how does Trump only have half the vote here? The only thing he wasn't a complete embarrassment at was the economy and in the end he prioritized that over people's safety during a deadly pandemic. Can you imagine how badly he would have botched an actual war if he couldn't simply listen to health professionals? And let's not forget the match he's currently setting fire to on democracy while on his way out the door. Jimmy Carter was awful, but he was kind of a harmless village idiot kind of awful. Trump is/was a complete and utter danger to not only the country, but the entire world.
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Post by flasuss on Nov 24, 2020 22:22:47 GMT
lol, how does Trump only have half the vote here? The only thing he wasn't a complete embarrassment at was the economy and in the end he prioritized that over people's safety during a deadly pandemic. Can you imagine how badly he would have botched an actual war if he couldn't simply listen to health professionals? And let's not forget the match he's currently setting fire to on democracy while on his way out the door. Jimmy Carter was awful, but he was kind of a harmless village idiot kind of awful. Trump is/was a complete and utter danger to not only the country, but the entire world. Because Dubya did even more damage to the world- and some Republicans wanted to troll and/or not pick one of their boys.
Trump's main saving grace it's that he only had one term.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 25, 2020 1:15:18 GMT
The Jimmy Carter votes are odd. Is there something I'm missing here or are people really putting long gas lines and the bungling of the hostage crisis over a political scandal so great that every other scandal gets a suffix directly referencing it, 2 wars that have lasted over a decade and have mostly just served to further destabilize what was already fraught situation, and all the bullshit we just lived through?
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Post by tobias on Nov 25, 2020 16:03:15 GMT
The Jimmy Carter votes are odd. Is there something I'm missing here or are people really putting long gas lines and the bungling of the hostage crisis over a political scandal so great that every other scandal gets a suffix directly referencing it, 2 wars that have lasted over a decade and have mostly just served to further destabilize what was already fraught situation, and all the bullshit we just lived through? I think people with a more conservative attitude really buy in hard to the he didn't get much done and failed to instill confidence by firing his entire cabinet close to the elections arguments. Carter tried to be considerate and listen to people and he was open to change course when he felt he was heading in the wrong directon. In a lot of people's eyes not playing the strong-man is weak and indecisive. He's even been ranked below W. Bush in scholar surveys which is complete lunacy (granted those were in the early to mid 2000s - still lunacy though, "scholar" my ass).
That being said Carter is actually the only post-war US president I have an overall positive attitude about. Not getting much done isn't bad when so many things that have been done in that position are such utter catastrophes. I think Americans underestimate how badly their country has been led in the last 70 years - which is why as a European I don't see Trump as much news. Making fun of Americans has been chic here way longer.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 25, 2020 16:31:23 GMT
As someone who voted for Carter in this poll ....... I can say again that he tends to be wayyyyyyyyyyy more fondly remembered by people who didn't actually live through him or "close" to his presidency......basically all that matters when you don't have a job, is a job......and right after that is the appearance of strength so you have some pride in your country at least.
He was a nice man, and he had a rehab of his persona in some ways post-Presidency ......but sustained unemployment, low wages, pushed around on the world stage and not just long gas lines - not that at all - but not being able to even buy gas on certain days depending on your license plate number - not being able to visit a friend because you're low on gas and have to wait 2 days - that kind of sh it is ..........soul killing.
Nobody (generally speaking) lived well or thrived economically under Carter and I'm not sure you can really say that about any other President tbh - someone is always getting rich in America.....the way that Trump catches a break by being a one-term President applies with him too ........also he had a high doofus factor.....his brother......his "lust in his heart" interview.......not Trump level but for the time.....cringe-inducing stuff.
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Post by stephen on Nov 25, 2020 16:39:26 GMT
The Jimmy Carter votes are odd. Is there something I'm missing here or are people really putting long gas lines and the bungling of the hostage crisis over a political scandal so great that every other scandal gets a suffix directly referencing it, 2 wars that have lasted over a decade and have mostly just served to further destabilize what was already fraught situation, and all the bullshit we just lived through? I grew up in a household with a father who, while he respected Jimmy Carter as a man and a model example of what someone should be post-presidency, had an abysmal tenure in the Oval Office, and who still rails about the economy and the gas shortages and how, as an owner of a small trucking business in those years, Carter's intentions (while good) were laughably misguided. I imagine a lot of people grew up hearing very similar sentiments, and certainly a lot of those sentiments were promulgated by those who flourished during the Reagan years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2020 2:32:07 GMT
Reagan
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Post by flasuss on Nov 26, 2020 3:38:29 GMT
The Jimmy Carter votes are odd. Is there something I'm missing here or are people really putting long gas lines and the bungling of the hostage crisis over a political scandal so great that every other scandal gets a suffix directly referencing it, 2 wars that have lasted over a decade and have mostly just served to further destabilize what was already fraught situation, and all the bullshit we just lived through? I grew up in a household with a father who, while he respected Jimmy Carter as a man and a model example of what someone should be post-presidency, had an abysmal tenure in the Oval Office, and who still rails about the economy and the gas shortages and how, as an owner of a small trucking business in those years, Carter's intentions (while good) were laughably misguided. I imagine a lot of people grew up hearing very similar sentiments, and certainly a lot of those sentiments were promulgated by those who flourished during the Reagan years. Yeah, but then there's "did a very bad job at handling the economy and handling a hostage crisis" and a "started a war under false premises that lead to tens of thousands of deaths and the complete destabilization of the Middle East, including opening the opportunity to the rise of a terrorist group taking over a good chunk of it, while also not stopping the biggest terrorist attack in the history of the US, and having the government being run by the interests of oil companies...while also doing a horrible job at handling the economy". There's no serious argument for saying Carter is worse than Dubya, absolutely none.
And that is not even bringing all the bullshit and chaos of Trump.
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Post by stephen on Nov 26, 2020 3:46:21 GMT
I grew up in a household with a father who, while he respected Jimmy Carter as a man and a model example of what someone should be post-presidency, had an abysmal tenure in the Oval Office, and who still rails about the economy and the gas shortages and how, as an owner of a small trucking business in those years, Carter's intentions (while good) were laughably misguided. I imagine a lot of people grew up hearing very similar sentiments, and certainly a lot of those sentiments were promulgated by those who flourished during the Reagan years. Yeah, but then there's "did a very bad job at handling the economy and handling a hostage crisis" and a "started a war under false premises that lead to tens of thousands of deaths and the complete destabilization of the Middle East, including opening the opportunity to the rise of a terrorist group taking over a good chunk of it, while also not stopping the biggest terrorist attack in the history of the US, and having the government being run by the interests of oil companies...while also doing a horrible job at handling the economy". There's no serious argument for saying Carter is worse than Dubya, absolutely none.
And that is not even bringing all the bullshit and chaos of Trump.
No doubt. (Just so you know, I didn't vote for Carter here -- I'd definitely rank Trump and Bush 2.0 below him, and Reagan and Nixon both could be validly argued as having much lower lows.)
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Post by mhynson27 on Nov 27, 2020 1:41:00 GMT
Well it's even less now that a certain someone has fled the scene. He'll be back.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jan 2, 2021 21:46:20 GMT
Obama
Sluggish, tortoise paced economic recovery. My grandma gained 20 extra years once his economy recovered. Strengthened corporate America while weakening the middle class. Allowed China to completely surpass us while America is stuck with with one of the worst infrastructure and livability conditions of a top power. Foreign policy is a mess. His cabinet usurped power due to his weakness at a leadership role. That he didn't get run off is a huge surprise, because they were after him! (he's a soft, non intimidating guy lol) Biden, on the other hand, is just about the easiest guy for the GOP to run off. I think that's what will happen, in fact.
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Post by mhynson27 on Jan 3, 2021 0:13:07 GMT
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Post by ibbi on Jan 6, 2021 19:46:47 GMT
This helps
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Post by speeders on Jan 6, 2021 21:46:46 GMT
Anyone who didn't vote for Trump (in this poll!!!) needs to have their head examined.
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Post by quetee on Jan 6, 2021 21:48:27 GMT
Anyone who didn't vote for Trump (in this poll!!!) needs to have their head examined. Dubya wasn't this big of a fool.
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Post by speeders on Jan 6, 2021 21:59:07 GMT
Anyone who didn't vote for Trump (in this poll!!!) needs to have their head examined. Dubya wasn't this big of a fool. No, I really thought he would be rock bottom. Then the 2016 elections happened.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jan 6, 2021 22:44:37 GMT
Some of the bad takes in this thread have somehow aged worse within the last few hours...
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Post by countjohn on Jan 6, 2021 22:54:46 GMT
Some of the bad takes in this thread have somehow aged worse within the last few hours... Wait, so you're telling me Obama and Carter supporters didn't shoot up the capital?
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Post by flasuss on Jan 7, 2021 9:49:46 GMT
Some of the bad takes in this thread have somehow aged worse within the last few hours... Wait, so you're telling me Obama and Carter supporters didn't shoot up the capital? You see, Obama did the worst thing possible- being a black man with a Muslim-sounding name. That's worse than starting a war for false reasons and attempting a coup.
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Post by dazed on Jan 7, 2021 13:00:25 GMT
Anyone who didn't vote for Trump (in this poll!!!) needs to have their head examined. Just goes to show how bad the presidents have been for America considering I’d still say George W. Bush has been the worst.
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