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Post by SeanJoyce on Nov 13, 2020 18:41:31 GMT
The story goes that Crowe was in cruise control for his 2nd Oscar until he sabotaged his chances by physically assaulting a TV exec at the BAFTAs. Do you hold with that theory, or was the race with Denzel a lot closer than most people let on?
Crazy to think how close Crowe was to being a back-to-back Oscar winner.
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Post by LaraQ on Nov 13, 2020 18:55:49 GMT
Yeah I think he did have it in the bag.He sabotaged himself with his arrogant,violent behaviour at the BAFTA's and pretty much handed the Oscar to Denzel.I don't think his career has ever full recovered from the fallout from that incident tbh.I also think people just got sick of his attitude generally,his temper,the phone throwing incident etc.
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Post by stephen on Nov 13, 2020 19:04:59 GMT
I don't think he had it in the bag, but that precursor run is insane, and he was in the eventual Best Picture winner, so he was certainly the odds-on favorite. I do think Denzel was always in the hunt, however, and what worked against Crowe wasn't so much the BAFTA incident itself (though that was the straw that broke the camel's back), but the fact he had just won the year prior, and I think there were those crucial few voters who were easily swayed when the narrative surrounding the upcoming night, where Sidney Poitier was going to be feted and Halle Berry was a strong favorite for Best Actress, and Washington had a few powerful advocates in the industry talking him up so much that he was always a secure alternative to Crowe. But Washington was gaining momentum even before BAFTA (where he wasn't even nominated), and Crowe's bad boy rep was catching up with him, so I think even if the BAFTA event hadn't occurred, I think Washington would still have pipped him to the post by the end. I wouldn't be surprised if the final tally had a very narrow margin between the two men.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 13, 2020 19:11:31 GMT
Well.....I prefer Denzel here basically because I think that same condition has been played better than Crowe played it (Fiennes, Greene, Lewis subsequently) and Crowe is funny to me as the worlds oldest grad student in that POS movie.....but neither "deserved" it (that's Wilkinson) but Crowe did have it in the bag from a voting perspective - SAG, GG, BAFTA and he's in the BP lock film. The race turned on Roberts campaigning for DW and her quotes and the chance to award 2 African Americans that year when Crowe sabotaged himself. Washington did win LA Film Critics so he was the obvious number 2 to the voting body (though again, no BAFTA - he was always 2nd among nominees). Washington has a quote - from his Mom iirc that I always liked "Man gives the award, God gives the reward" .......to his fans they are mostly obsessed with his Oscar stats since he is comparatively weaker in other big film stats compared to his main generational rival (Hanks) .....I would think Crowe would like that quote too because his stupidity if you didn't see the award that way would be too much to deal with tbh  |
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Post by SeanJoyce on Nov 13, 2020 19:17:40 GMT
Well.....I prefer Denzel here basically because I think that same condition has been played better than Crowe played it (Fiennes, Greene, Lewis subsequently) and Crowe is funny to me as the worlds oldest grad student in that POS movie.....but neither "deserved" it (that's Wilkinson) but Crowe did have it in the bag from a voting perspective - SAG, GG, BAFTA and he's in the BP lock film. The race turned on Roberts campaigning for DW and her quotes and the chance to award 2 African Americans that year when Crowe sabotaged himself. Washington did win LA Film Critics so he was the obvious number 2 to the voting body (though again, no BAFTA - he was always 2nd among nominees). Washington has a quote - from his Mom iirc that I always liked "Man gives the award, God gives the reward" .......to his fans they are mostly obsessed with his Oscar stats since he is comparatively weaker in other big film stats compared to his main generational rival (Hanks) .....I would think Crowe would like that quote too because his stupidity if you didn't see the award that way would be too much to deal with tbh I have one question in relation to this entire post...why? |
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 13, 2020 19:27:19 GMT
Well.....I prefer Denzel here basically because I think that same condition has been played better than Crowe played it (Fiennes, Greene, Lewis subsequently) and Crowe is funny to me as the worlds oldest grad student in that POS movie.....but neither "deserved" it (that's Wilkinson) but Crowe did have it in the bag from a voting perspective - SAG, GG, BAFTA and he's in the BP lock film. The race turned on Roberts campaigning for DW and her quotes and the chance to award 2 African Americans that year when Crowe sabotaged himself. Washington did win LA Film Critics so he was the obvious number 2 to the voting body (though again, no BAFTA - he was always 2nd among nominees). Washington has a quote - from his Mom iirc that I always liked "Man gives the award, God gives the reward" .......to his fans they are mostly obsessed with his Oscar stats since he is comparatively weaker in other big film stats compared to his main generational rival (Hanks) .....I would think Crowe would like that quote too because his stupidity if you didn't see the award that way would be too much to deal with tbh I have one question in relation to this entire post...why? Because you posted on this board and on this board under my name it says "Legend" and under yours it says "New Member" . You're welcome..... |
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Post by SeanJoyce on Nov 13, 2020 19:41:39 GMT
I have one question in relation to this entire post...why? Because you posted on this board and on this board under my name it says "Legend" and under yours it says "New Member" . You're welcome..... Status check boiiiiiii |
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Post by TerryMontana on Nov 13, 2020 19:44:49 GMT
He did have it in the bag I guess. He was extremely hurt by the BAFTA incident, as he already had won every single major precursor.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 13, 2020 21:08:55 GMT
It was always a straight race between Crowe and Denzel, even without the BAFTA incident, but that obviously tilted the race in Washington's favor. Crowe was probably 60/40 before the BAFTA incident, because of the strength of his movie with voters. The BAFTA incident just flipped their odds. But Denzel was entering legendary leading man status at this point, who many considered robbed of leading Oscars for Malcolm X and The Hurricane.
Though he already had a supporting Oscar for Glory, a lot of people in the industry felt that he should have more than one leading Oscar at that stage. Powerful industry figures like Julia Roberts and Mel Gibson were actively campaigning for Washington.
Washington had the edge over Crowe in terms of critics awards, and AFI held their only acting award ceremony in 2002, where Washington beat Crowe for Actor Of The Year. That shows that Washington had a lot of industry support, that likely correlated to active voting members of AMPAS. The important thing to note is that Denzel won the AFI award about a month before the BAFTA incident, so Denzel was already gaining momentum to win before Crowe sabotaged himself
So I don't think Crowe was a sure thing, even if BAFTA never happened. Washington had a lot of factors working for him that year to beat Crowe anyway, and him winning the AFI Best Actor award slowed down Crowe's momentum. Crowe just made it a whole lot easier with his antics to give it to Denzel (who deserved it more anyway, based on performance).
That's the long answer
Short Answer: It was always a close race between the two.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 13, 2020 22:12:09 GMT
Well , he clearly didn't since he lost  |
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Post by hugobolso on Nov 17, 2020 14:40:12 GMT
It's not common that an actor win two consecutives Oscars, that happened with Spencer Tracey and Tom Hanks.-
I feel his oscar win for Gladiator was exagerated, he won because the main competitors were weaks except Ed Harris, who is too lefty even for Hollywood standars.-
Tom Hanks could won a third Oscar but oscarviewers were tired of Hanks at the time.-
In 2002 was between Denzel and him, both great, and Denzel won at the end because Julia Roberts hard for him and for political reasons.-
From the other 3 nominees Tom Wilkinson probably deserved more, but his nomination was just a pleasent surprise, while Smith and Penn were jokes.-
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Post by hugobolso on Nov 17, 2020 14:46:57 GMT
I don't think he had it in the bag, but that precursor run is insane, and he was in the eventual Best Picture winner, so he was certainly the odds-on favorite. I do think Denzel was always in the hunt, however, and what worked against Crowe wasn't so much the BAFTA incident itself (though that was the straw that broke the camel's back), but the fact he had just won the year prior, and I think there were those crucial few voters who were easily swayed when the narrative surrounding the upcoming night, where Sidney Poitier was going to be feted and Halle Berry was a strong favorite for Best Actress, and Washington had a few powerful advocates in the industry talking him up so much that he was always a secure alternative to Crowe. But Washington was gaining momentum even before BAFTA (where he wasn't even nominated), and Crowe's bad boy rep was catching up with him, so I think even if the BAFTA event hadn't occurred, I think Washington would still have pipped him to the post by the end. I wouldn't be surprised if the final tally had a very narrow margin between the two men. no. Berry was a surprise winner. The oscar race was between Kidman and Spacek, neither particullary strong, any way Judi Dench should won this.- |
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 17, 2020 14:52:59 GMT
I don't think he had it in the bag, but that precursor run is insane, and he was in the eventual Best Picture winner, so he was certainly the odds-on favorite. I do think Denzel was always in the hunt, however, and what worked against Crowe wasn't so much the BAFTA incident itself (though that was the straw that broke the camel's back), but the fact he had just won the year prior, and I think there were those crucial few voters who were easily swayed when the narrative surrounding the upcoming night, where Sidney Poitier was going to be feted and Halle Berry was a strong favorite for Best Actress, and Washington had a few powerful advocates in the industry talking him up so much that he was always a secure alternative to Crowe. But Washington was gaining momentum even before BAFTA (where he wasn't even nominated), and Crowe's bad boy rep was catching up with him, so I think even if the BAFTA event hadn't occurred, I think Washington would still have pipped him to the post by the end. I wouldn't be surprised if the final tally had a very narrow margin between the two men. no. Berry was a surprise winner. The oscar race was between Kidman and Spacek, neither particullary strong, any way Judi Dench should won this.- won SAG . She was not a suprise winner and was one of the favorites to win. I'm a big Nicole Kidman fan, but her problem was that she was competing with herself for so much of that season with Moulin Rouge and The Others. I don't think people were entirely sure which performance she'd get the Oscar nomination for till it was announced. |
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Post by morton on Nov 17, 2020 15:21:36 GMT
no. Berry was a surprise winner. The oscar race was between Kidman and Spacek, neither particullary strong, any way Judi Dench should won this.- won SAG . She was not a suprise winner and was one of the favorites to win. I'm a big Nicole Kidman fan, but her problem was that she was competing with herself for so much of that season with Moulin Rouge and The Others. I don't think people were entirely sure which performance she'd get the Oscar nomination for till it was announced. Yeah, I remember that she did at least one interview where she admitted after the nominations that she had been rooting for a nomination for Moulin Rouge, because prior to that she wanted to be as neutral as possible to which was hoping to get a nomination for more. Also I know Spacek won the Globe, and not to say that she wasn't in it to win it at all, but it just felt like it was Berry's especially when she won SAG. Spacek, unfortunately, was someone like Christie, Keaton, and Burstyn around the same time who were probably runner-ups, and might have won if they hadn't won before. |
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Post by marvelass on Nov 28, 2020 9:08:44 GMT
People forget, there was an #OscarsSoWhite movement that Oscar season (though it wasn't called that at the time), which no doubt contributed to the Best Actor/Actress winners and Poitier being awarded/honored that night. It didn't really pick up steam, though, until the month before the ceremony, which is why Spacek (Critics' Choice, Golden Globe, NYFCC, LAFCA) and Crowe (Critic's Choice, Golden Globe, SAG, BAFTA) were seemingly ahead in the race until then. It was also around this time that Julia Roberts (previous year's Best Actress winner) and Roger Ebert (respected film critic) began radically campaigning for Washington and Berry, respectively. Then, Berry won SAG (Dench won BAFTA) and Crowe assaulted the BAFTA producer. The rest is history.
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Post by hugobolso on Dec 2, 2020 19:03:54 GMT
no. Berry was a surprise winner. The oscar race was between Kidman and Spacek, neither particullary strong, any way Judi Dench should won this.- won SAG . She was not a suprise winner and was one of the favorites to win. I'm a big Nicole Kidman fan, but her problem was that she was competing with herself for so much of that season with Moulin Rouge and The Others. I don't think people were entirely sure which performance she'd get the Oscar nomination for till it was announced. The SAGS in 2001, weren't 2020 SAGS. Also the SAGS were presented 2 weeks before the Oscars. So when almost she won all the Oscar voters already vote. Was a SAG surprise win.- So she still was the dark horse at the Oscar night. She won the Silver Bear in Berlin, that secure her oscar nom. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Sept 2, 2023 13:42:22 GMT
Crowe's steam was early, Washington's was late. I personally didnt think Washington would gain that much momentum to overtake Crowe who felt like he sewed up the win for the majority of the season. I mean, his Gladiator win didn't even feel as conclusive, on Oscar night I wasn't sure who was winning. But that category in comparison to 2001, didn't feel like the academy had a passion pick. I suppose Rush could've won, but it would've probably been a mild win.
A Beautiful Mind had frontrunner status, and the media promoted A Beautiful Mind as a sort of critics movie. While Training Day was the kinda movie your friends and your schoolmates talked about so I never felt it had a threat to win anything.... but I underestimated the power of late steam and OscarsSoWhite and Julia Roberts and I kinda lived under a rock in early 2002 while being heavily into movies in 2001. Same deal with Sissy Spacek and Halle Berry. Media promoted In the Bedroom as the kinda smart critics film, while Monster's Ball was the movie your mom and your dad talked about, debating Halle Berry's hotness or her naked scenes. Nobody irl discussed Sissy Spacek who had the earlier steam just like Crowe. While Roger Ebert had a thing for Halle Berry, maybe creepy old man feelings.
Maybe the Crowe campaign team just went complacent towards the end like Hilary Clinton did while Trump started gaining. But I agree with previous post stating that the final tally was probably not by much. Maybe The Fellowship of the Ring lost by only a few votes just like Crowe probably didn't lose by much. I felt like Wilkinson could've also won this against easier competition. There were 3 picks in 2001 the academy would've voted for over anyone in 2000. Benicio del Toro was also supporting at the Oscars, otherwise I think he overtakes Crowe too - in 2000.
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