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Post by Billy_Costigan on Nov 3, 2020 16:12:00 GMT
Let's go back and try to determine which films would have filled out the field of 10 Best Picture nominees. For years with 9 nominees, you can only select 1 option. For years with 5, you will be able to select 5 options. Some years will be more obvious than others and some will have more options. This isn't based on personal preferences. These are realistic options based on acclaim, precursor support and other Oscar nominations. Make sure to choose 5. (Zodiac should have been nominated but didn't receive any nominations)
American Gangster - 2 Oscar noms, 5 BAFTA noms, SAG, GG
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford - 2 Oscar noms
Away from Her - 2 Oscar noms
The Bourne Ultimatum - 3 Oscar noms, 6 BAFTA noms The Counterfeiters - 1 Oscar nom
The Diving Bell and the Butterfly - 4 Oscar noms, 2 BAFTA noms Eastern Promises - 1 Oscar nom, 2 BAFTA noms
Elizabeth: The Golden Age - 2 Oscar noms, 4 BAFTA noms
Gone Baby Gone - 1 Oscar nom
Into the Wild 2 Oscar noms, SAG
La Vie en Rose - 3 Oscar noms, 7 BAFTA noms
Ratatouille - 5 Oscar noms,
Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street - 3 Oscar noms, 2 BAFTA noms, GG
3:10 to Yuma 2 Oscar noms, SAG
Previous results2019 - Knives Out (22 votes). 2018 - If Beale Street Could Talk (18 votes) and Cold War (14 votes) 2017 - I, Tonya (20 votes) 2016 - Jackie (15 votes) 2015 - Carol (25 votes) and Inside Out (14 votes) 2014 - Foxcatcher (22 votes) and Wild (12 votes) 2013 - Blue Jasmine (22 of 24 votes) 2012 - Skyfall (15 votes) 2011 - The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo - 12 votes 2010 - N/A 2009 - N/A 2008 - The Dark Knight (29 votes), WallE (29 votes), Doubt (29 votes), The Wrestler (21 votes), Changeling (13 votes)
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Post by TerryMontana on Nov 3, 2020 16:56:13 GMT
American Gangster. And after that maybe Jesse James.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 3, 2020 16:58:20 GMT
American Gangster was probably 6th .
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Post by stephen on Nov 3, 2020 17:20:48 GMT
American Gangster was probably 6th . Nah, it was probably The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (Best Director/Adapted Screenplay/Editing/Cinematography nominations).
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 3, 2020 17:27:39 GMT
The Diving Bell and the Butterfly ........always look at the Director lineup and it has other crucial ones too.....
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 3, 2020 17:41:07 GMT
American Gangster was probably 6th . Nah, it was probably The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (Best Director/Adapted Screenplay/Editing/Cinematography nominations). I think AG had much more support in the Actors branch (telling that The Diving Bell And The Butterfly couldn't get an acting nod), which is the biggest voting bloc for Best Picture, and if you believe in the power of BAFTA, they were probably trying to push it because Ridley Scott is one of their own (it really overperformed at BAFTA, including a Best Picture nod). Diving Bell also got nothing at SAG, at a time when a SAG ensemble nom was a strong indicator of a potential Best Picture nod ( American Gangster had that SAG ensemble nomination). I think Diving Bell maxed out it's nominations with the Guilds it got (directing/cinematography/screenplay/ editing etc), but did not have enough broad based support from the Actors branch to be a bigger challenger for Best Picture than American Gangster. So yeah, I can see the case for Diving Bell, but I think it was still probably American Gangster in 6th.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 3, 2020 17:57:23 GMT
American Gangster
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 3, 2020 18:03:43 GMT
American Gangster Interestingly enough, today is the 13th Anniversary of the release of American Gangster. It came out exactly 13 years ago today. The film is aging remarkably well. Watched it a couple of months ago when it just turned up on TV, and it's absolutely engrossing, and Washington is outstanding. I used to be a bit annoyed at the preponderance of the Crowe stuff, but even that doesn't feel so cumbersome on rewatch. It doesn't really hurt the film as much as I orginally felt when first watching it. A great movie. Maybe the last great Hollywood gangster film. My one take is, the extended edition is better than the original cinema one because of the ending. I'd always prefer the extended edition ending much more, where Crowe and Washington (or Richie Roberts and Frank Lucas) grab a coffee and run into some young gangsters.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 3, 2020 18:12:43 GMT
American Gangster Interestingly enough, today is the 13th Anniversary of the release of American Gangster. It came out exactly 13 years ago today. The film is aging remarkably well. Watched it a couple of months ago when it just turned up on TV, and it's absolutely engrossing, and Washington is outstanding. I used to be a bit annoyed at the preponderance of the Crowe stuff, but even that doesn't feel so cumbersome on rewatch. A great movie. Maybe the last great Hollywood gangster film. My one take is, the extended edition is better than the original cinema one because of the ending. I'd always prefer the extended edition ending much much, where Crowe and Washington grab a coffee and run into some young gangsters. It sure is, isn't it? Man time flies..I remember seeing this opening weekend. I agree the extended edition ending is better than the original one, shame Scott didn't go with that one and the soundtrack for the movie by Jay-Z is a classic. It's one of those movies where if I catch it on TNT/HBO I just watch it to the end. The cast did a great job. I understand there's some people that find it disappointing, but its extremely rewatchable movie for me and is probably the last great gangster movie Hollywood has produced. I prefer it to The Irishman, and Public Enemies/Gangster Squad didn't cut the mustard. Shame Ridley and Denzel hasn't worked together since.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Nov 3, 2020 18:46:46 GMT
Interestingly enough, today is the 13th Anniversary of the release of American Gangster. It came out exactly 13 years ago today. The film is aging remarkably well. Watched it a couple of months ago when it just turned up on TV, and it's absolutely engrossing, and Washington is outstanding. I used to be a bit annoyed at the preponderance of the Crowe stuff, but even that doesn't feel so cumbersome on rewatch. A great movie. Maybe the last great Hollywood gangster film. My one take is, the extended edition is better than the original cinema one because of the ending. I'd always prefer the extended edition ending much much, where Crowe and Washington grab a coffee and run into some young gangsters. It sure is, isn't it? Man time flies..I remember seeing this opening weekend. I agree the extended edition ending is better than the original one, shame Scott didn't go with that one and the soundtrack for the movie by Jay-Z is a classic. It's one of those movies where if I catch it on TNT/HBO I just watch it to the end. The cast did a great job. I understand there's some people that find it disappointing, but its extremely rewatchable movie for me and is probably the last great gangster movie Hollywood has produced. I prefer it to The Irishman, and Public Enemies/Gangster Squad didn't cut the mustard. Shame Ridley and Denzel hasn't worked together since I don't think I've seen it since theaters. Definitely due for a re-watch.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Nov 3, 2020 19:05:21 GMT
1. Diving Bell and the Butterfly 2. American Gangster 3. Ratatouille 4. Into the Wild 5. Sweeney Todd
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Post by jimmalone on Nov 3, 2020 19:27:57 GMT
Diving Bell and Butterfly is obvious (and was likely 6th), as is American Gangster. I don't see Ratatouille not getting in with 10 places, as this is a movie that is pretty much universally liked. When I look at those noms I'd not see it, but I remember thinking back then that Into the Wild was only close missing it, so I say this was in as well. The last spot is tough. I could see The Bourne Ultimatum, as I was baffled how much it was actually loved. The other choice is the rather obvious Sweeney Todd, which while not universally liked, has it's share of fans. I'd even give an outisde chance to others on the list, but I'm gonna play it safe and guess Sweeney Todd.
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Post by countjohn on Nov 5, 2020 1:12:52 GMT
Diving Bell, American Gangster, Ratatouille, and Sweeney Todd are the consensus top four.
I would go with Bourne Ultimatum over Into the Wild for the 10th spot. Bourne won for editing, beating Into the Wild in fact and they have generally used the expanded lineup to include a couple blockbuster picks. This and Ratatouille would have been it in this lineup.
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Post by DanQuixote on Nov 6, 2020 21:28:39 GMT
No idea why people are so confident in American Gangster.
06. The Diving Bell and the Butterfly 07. Ratatouille 08. Into the Wild 09. Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street 10. American Gangster, barely over La Vie en Rose.
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