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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 29, 2020 18:09:00 GMT
The two highest vote totals - ever - are Obama's below..........3rd would be Hilary and 4th is Trump with the most votes ever for a Republican (!) 62,984,828.Assuming Biden wins the popular vote - which is quite likely, can he also top Obama's 2008 numbers? Trump might get more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016 and lose.......which is kind of shocking if that happens ......
Barack Obama 2008 Democratic 69,498,516
Barack Obama 2012 Democratic 65,915,795
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Post by Kirk-Picard on Oct 29, 2020 18:33:40 GMT
70 million is a little far fetched
Biden will break 2016 Hillary and 2012 Obama numbers.
Trump isn't campaigning for the popular vote but I think he'll best his 2016 numbers
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Oct 30, 2020 16:17:47 GMT
With the record amounts of turnout projected it's likely Biden eclipses both of Obama's totals and gets over 53% (esp. since more turnout usually translates to more support for dems). Meanwhile, there's no way Trump beats his 2016 results. He's toxic and has alienated way too many moderates, independents, whites, women, and older voters. Practically all his demos are projected to be worse this cycle with only marginal gains among black/latino men. There are hundreds of reasons to expect him to do worse.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Oct 31, 2020 12:18:28 GMT
You should look at the Rust Belt and Florida. They are CRAZY about Trump. The majority of Florida lives in a Trump reality besides the main cities, their minds are totally melted on a total Trump reality bubble. Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan are highly community oriented and they religiously wave their "Trump is Jesus" flags, and what's worse is they spread the word like Christians. There are so many of those legions of crazy Trumpers and they're doing most of Trump's work for him for free, to get all their neighbors and friends to vote to make sure he's elected.
He definitely has a chance in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. And Florida is a toss-up according to polls. If he wins all of those states where it feels like he's gaining traction at the right time, no doubt he wins the election.
But even if he loses some of those states, he can make up ground in Arizona, North Carolina, Ohio, Iowa and possibly New Hampshire which Clinton won by only 2,800 votes in 2016.
I'll say 67 million for Trump and 68 million for Biden. Don't see Trump not increasing his vote count. Biden probably should increase a little too.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 31, 2020 13:42:27 GMT
If Trump exceeds his 2016 totals - even if he loses (which is quite likely) - it's a very strange situation:
I don't think an incumbent has lost (in modern times?) with an increase in total votes......if he loses (again that's quite likely) you'd have to call him the most beloved AND hated figure in American politics history if he's not that already.
Those chants of 'Superman" and "We Love You" at his rallies are not only odd and unheard of for a President they are genuinely weird/disturbing indicative of something else entirely but I'm not sure what........I don't know what exactly any of that means, and maybe it's just the live rally format but it is really weird.....and I can't imagine another President getting that from anywhere in the past (?)
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Post by cherry68 on Oct 31, 2020 18:43:29 GMT
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Oct 31, 2020 21:39:52 GMT
You should look at the Rust Belt and Florida. They are CRAZY about Trump. The majority of Florida lives in a Trump reality besides the main cities, their minds are totally melted on a total Trump reality bubble. Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan are highly community oriented and they religiously wave their "Trump is Jesus" flags, and what's worse is they spread the word like Christians. There are so many of those legions of crazy Trumpers and they're doing most of Trump's work for him for free, to get all their neighbors and friends to vote to make sure he's elected. He definitely has a chance in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. And Florida is a toss-up according to polls. If he wins all of those states where it feels like he's gaining traction at the right time, no doubt he wins the election. But even if he loses some of those states, he can make up ground in Arizona, North Carolina, Ohio, Iowa and possibly New Hampshire which Clinton won by only 2,800 votes in 2016. I'll say 67 million for Trump and 68 million for Biden. Don't see Trump not increasing his vote count. Biden probably should increase a little too. You're fucking DELUSIONAL if you think Trump has any chance in Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin or New Hampshire. Those are all safely Biden. And like 95% of the FL polls in the last 6 weeks have had Biden ahead. Also, there is ZERO evidence to back up your claim he's gaining ground in either Michigan or Wisconsin. New polls TODAY show Biden +12 in MI and +8 in WI. More proof you pulled that "gaining ground" horseshit out of your ass. |
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Post by mattfincher on Nov 1, 2020 2:03:18 GMT
You should look at the Rust Belt and Florida. They are CRAZY about Trump. The majority of Florida lives in a Trump reality besides the main cities, their minds are totally melted on a total Trump reality bubble. Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan are highly community oriented and they religiously wave their "Trump is Jesus" flags, and what's worse is they spread the word like Christians. There are so many of those legions of crazy Trumpers and they're doing most of Trump's work for him for free, to get all their neighbors and friends to vote to make sure he's elected. He definitely has a chance in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. And Florida is a toss-up according to polls. If he wins all of those states where it feels like he's gaining traction at the right time, no doubt he wins the election. But even if he loses some of those states, he can make up ground in Arizona, North Carolina, Ohio, Iowa and possibly New Hampshire which Clinton won by only 2,800 votes in 2016. I'll say 67 million for Trump and 68 million for Biden. Don't see Trump not increasing his vote count. Biden probably should increase a little too. You're fucking DELUSIONAL if you think Trump has any chance in Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin or New Hampshire. Those are all safely Biden. And like 95% of the FL polls in the last 6 weeks have had Biden ahead. Also, there is ZERO evidence to back up your claim he's gaining ground in either Michigan or Wisconsin. New polls TODAY show Biden +12 in MI and +8 in WI. More proof you pulled that "gaining ground" horseshit out of your ass. This forum lives on a different planet when it comes to politics. Trump has a narrow path still, but those four states you mentioned are definitely not in play for him barring an unprecedented state polling error that would make even 2016's errors look mild. His path is hanging onto PA and then hoping the rest of the map shakes out the same way it did in 2016 with the exception of MI/WI. If anything, there's evidence supporting MI/WI slipping further away from him late. |
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