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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 28, 2020 20:29:04 GMT
Fresh off her just released well recieved limited series for HBO, The Undoing, Nicole Kidman continues to consolidate her domination of serialised streaming and television content with the announcement that she will be producing and and starring in the adaptation of Andrew Bovell's play Things I Know To Be True, as a limited series for Amazon.
Kidman has also just completed filming Nine Perfect Strangers for Hulu, which she also stars in and produces.
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Post by quetee on Oct 28, 2020 20:32:33 GMT
Why is she doing so much TV?
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 28, 2020 20:38:07 GMT
Why is she doing so much TV? I think she just likes the format. You get more time to explore characters than in a 2 hour movie. But because she's pretty much always doing limited series, she's not stuck doing the same show for years on end, which is what puts most movie stars off television. She can move on and play different characters. In essence, she gets to make 6 hour movies. I can see the appeal. Also, we are in the "peak TV era", so there is no longer any stigma attached to movie stars doing TV consistently. Plus, Big Little Lies was the most popular thing she'd made in years, so I can see she'd want more audience appreciation that comes with TV. A lot of movies just come and go, especially some of the ones she was making in the early 2010s. Reese Witherspoon is very much doing the same, producing and starring in multiple shows like Kidnan.
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Post by stephen on Oct 28, 2020 20:55:36 GMT
Why is she doing so much TV? Why not? Television is no longer the death knell to an A-list career the way it was once seen as, and the great creative talents are focusing more and more on long-form storytelling.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 28, 2020 21:07:58 GMT
Why is she doing so much TV? Why not? Television is no longer the death knell to an A-list career the way it was once seen as, and the great creative talents are focusing more and more on long-form storytelling. Yeah. While Kidman is clearly doing TV because she finds it creatively satisfying (she's in a position to format several of her projects as movies if she chose to), I'd also argue that with the uncertainty around cinema coming back at full strength after the pandemic, TV or limited series is actually a wise option for a lot of movie stars or major directors over the next year or two. A big TV project can generate the kind of hype that isn't always as easy to get with a streaming movie. Jake Gyllenhaal signing up to do The Son for HBO with Denis Villeneuve is a case in point. Maybe they had initially concieved it as a movie, but recognised a limited series is a better bet in these times for maximum audience exposure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 22:52:24 GMT
I love that she works all three acting mediums so regularly - one of the few “A-listers” to really do that - she has cited Glenn Close as one of her role models, after all.
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Post by quetee on Oct 28, 2020 23:07:45 GMT
Why is she doing so much TV? Why not? Television is no longer the death knell to an A-list career the way it was once seen as, and the great creative talents are focusing more and more on long-form storytelling. I'm not against it at all. Just interesting that she's all in like this.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Oct 28, 2020 23:21:12 GMT
Why is she doing so much TV? Oh honey, after all the box office flops she's had over the years it's no surprise that the only work she can get now should be in telenovelas. That and Harvey being otherwise detained...
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Post by speeders on Oct 28, 2020 23:57:36 GMT
Big Little Lies (likely returning for a 3rd season), The Undoing, Nine Perfect Strangers, The Expatriates, Pretty Things and now this, she's certainly taking over TV.
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Post by futuretrunks on Oct 29, 2020 1:50:08 GMT
Why is she doing so much TV? At the risk of annoying pupdurcs, I think it has something to do with offers. There isn't a hell of a lot going on in cinema these days, and Kidman's spotty filmography is an impediment to making the absolute top tier directors actively want to work with her. Blanchett scuttles from one supporting role to another for much the same reason.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 29, 2020 4:40:21 GMT
Why is she doing so much TV? At the risk of annoying pupdurcs, I think it has something to do with offers. There isn't a hell of a lot going on in cinema these days, and Kidman's spotty filmography is an impediment to making the absolute top tier directors actively want to work with her. Blanchett scuttles from one supporting role to another for much the same reason. I disagree to an extent (but also agree to an extent. Offers play a part, but not for the reason you state). You realise Kidman has first look production deals with two studios ( Hulu, Amazon) that produce film content as well as TV? Kidman literally has the choice of format when working with these streaming platforms. If she wants to make some of these projects as a streaming film, she can. It's more expensive to make these projects as TV shows. There is simply no way that someone like Kidman who has the power to get 5 or 6 high end and expensive TV shows easily greelit in the last 3 years, couldn't easily get a movie of her choosing made if she wanted to. Kidman literally hired Lulu Wang, a hot auteur fresh of The Farewell, to direct The Expatriates. This is a show Kidman won't even be appearing in. She has that kind of luxury now as a producer. Kidman is in a position to easily command 100 million dollar + budgets to produce TV shows, some of which she won't even be in. Kidman herself said she had the choice to make it as a TV series or film, and chose TV. When these studios/streamers have this much faith in Kidman producing expensive long form content for them, you think they would bat an eyelash if she wanted to produce some mid-range budget drama as a streaming movie? These content providers are now in the Kidman Business. If she wants to produce a movie for herself to star in, they'll give her the money and say thank you. I think some people here don't fully understand how the industry works. Kidman is now one of the most powerful producers in the industry and is also a talent magnet (people want to work with her). She's now in a position to develop any project she wants and actually hire a respected auteur to direct it. Listening to Kidman in interviews, she's actually choosing the TV format over film for most of these projects she's making because she thinks they will work better as TV, not because she doesn't have to option to also make them as films. She's a real producer, not a vanity one It's almost like Denzel and his deal with Netflix to produce August Wilson's cycle of plays. If he asks any top shelf African-American auteur ( Coogler, Jenkins, Peele) to direct one of them, he has the clout and the influence. He could also star in all the plays if he wanted, but he doesn't want to. Kidman is powerful enough to generate her own work in whatever format she chooses and also hire top shelf directors. What I will agree with is that if she wasn't developing her own content, she'd probably be offered and doing a lot more supporting roles in films like Blanchett (which she was anyway, before she realised the TV format offered her juicier roles and greater exposure ) . And that is more of a factor of Kidman's age than "spotty filmography" or auteurs not actively seeking her out (Kidman is one of those actresses aueturs love. She's worked with Sofia Coppola, Yorgos Lanthimos and Robert Eggers in the last 3 years alone in films, and at least in the indie world, these are considered top of the range auteurs). Most of the big ticket male directors in the industry are not developing projects with 53 year old women leading them. If I'm Kidman, I'd rather be the lead in my own 6 hour prestige limited series, than hang around for Adam Mckay to offer me a supporting role to Jennifer Lawrence or for Guillermo Del Toro to hand me a supporting role to make Bradley Cooper look good. Kidman is not averse to doing supporting parts, but a star of her calibre would always prefer to play leads, no matter the format. No matter what your reputation is, most major directors do not build films around women Kidman's age. That is why Kate Winslet has really struggled in middle age (and she probably regrets not exploring the TV format more like Kidman, Witherspoon and many of her contemporaries). Winslet's filmography started getting spotty as she aged. It's why Blanchett hasn't had a great leading role in a movie since Carol, over 5 years ago. The only person offering Blanchett lead roles in movies these days is Eli Roth in his terrible fIilms. It's why if Charlize Theron wants a great, award calibre leading role, has to produce something like Bombshell herself to get it. Offers (especially lead ones of substance) is something that affects every actress of Kidman's age in film. Kidman and Reese Witherspoon get it, and I think they have completely changed the game for actresses their age. They are "movie stars", but the roles and complexity for women their age in TV right now are infinitely better, so it's obvious why they have fallen in love with the format, and also taken their careers into their own hands. Aside from trying to chase another Oscar, there is nothing inherently advantageous in the likes of Kidman and Witherspoon doing film over the limited series prestige TV format at this stage of their careers. The roles are better and you get just as much attention, if not more.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 29, 2020 11:04:07 GMT
Like I said in the other threads on her - she is to me, in a repetitive acting rut and a repetitive project rut....but TV is where she attempts to recover. For her hit TV stuff is how she admirably puts down her shoulder and just tries to power through her lull........ Men go to TV more in their 60s........women more in their 50s.....she certainly does it with a bigger splash than others. .....I don't think this (description below, again this is her wheelhouse/emotional soap opera-y parody stuff) or any of her other TV stuff gives casual Kidman fans what we're looking for: The Undoing (sorta fun, but trashy from ep 1 anyway) or Nine Perfect Strangers (based on its description) are going to be the ones to improve her acting downturn. None of these recent film choices of her The Upside, Destroyer, Boy Erased, Goldfinch, Bombshell drew that much Box-Office heat.......and all maybe suggested she has become less interesting artistically too. On the other hand..... The Prom should give her a hit at least ...... but isn't going to be an acting revelation for anyone (unless it's um, Streep) and I think the Eggers film ( The Northman) is really, on paper, the one that gets her back on track and is the most fascinating pic on her crowded 2018-2020+ slate .........for me at least. Bovell’s Things I Know to Be True is about the resilience of an enduring marriage and the evolving nature of a family’s love, as Bob and Fran Price watch their adult children make unexpected decisions that change the course of their lives.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 29, 2020 12:12:26 GMT
None of these recent film choices of her The Upside, Destroyer, Boy Erased, Goldfinch, Bombshell drew that much Box-Office heat.......
The Upside made over 125 million dollars on a budget of 37 million. It was a massive financial hit. Aquaman made over a billion dollars. It was released only two years ago (and she will be in sequel, so that's a guaranteed billion dollar grosser coming up). She wasn't neccesarily the driving force behind their box office, but she has been in very big hits recently, and in Hollywood you still get some credit for that. She's easily got the best career of any actress in her age group right now. I'm not sure it's even close who is 2nd. She's had big box office hits recently, critical hits, is an awards season favorite on TV and film, loved by indie auteurs and is getting blank checks worth hundreds of millions of dollars from Hulu, Amazon and HBO to create any show or vehicle for herself she feels like. Every actress in the world would sell their soul to be in the middle of this kind of career catastrophe Sure she appreciates the heartfelt concern for the state of her career though.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 29, 2020 12:19:20 GMT
None of these recent film choices of her The Upside, Destroyer, Boy Erased, Goldfinch, Bombshell drew that much Box-Office heat.......
The Upside made over 125 million dollars on a budget of 37 million. It was a massive financial hit. Apologies, I meant to type Genius there rather than The Upside (Although Genius was further back and not as recent so I could have just left that off) - but general point still stands, hey I like her, I'm hoping her career rebounds as well....
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 29, 2020 12:22:10 GMT
The Upside made over 125 million dollars on a budget of 37 million. It was a massive financial hit. Apologies, I meant to type Genius there rather than The Upside (Although Genius was further back and not as recent so I could have just left that off) - but general point still stands, hey I like her, I'm hoping her career rebounds as well.... You're hilarious! It's incredible how your tactics never change either. You spent years pulling the exact same concern troll routine for Denzel's career as well. If it ain't broke, don't fix it I guess.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 29, 2020 12:47:38 GMT
Apologies, I meant to type Genius there rather than The Upside (Although Genius was further back and not as recent so I could have just left that off) - but general point still stands, hey I like her, I'm hoping her career rebounds as well.... You're hilarious! It's incredible how your tactics never change either. msmoviestar regularly tears Kidman a new a**hole.......... Mattsby called her lame in The Undoing ep 1 or something like that .......and yet I'm the one you respond too for saying she obviously hasn't carried a movie hit lately (she hasn't - which is fine too) or done particularly impressive acting work in the last couple years (she hasn't imo - which is less fine) and that TV is more where it's at now for her - which is like saying the sky is blue....... .......find someone else to fall in love with on here - turn somebody on to a movie or a band or a book or something.......anything cya.......meanwhile keep singing your stalkerish theme song, contact a moderator, work on your blue belt, change your user name (again), check out Gold Derby .......ummmmmmmmmm
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 13:02:35 GMT
Kidman and Reese Witherspoon get it, and I think they have completely changed the game for actresses their age. Wouldn't you say Glenn Close paved the way for them in this regard? Hollywood A-Listers really didn't "do" TV regularly before her.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 29, 2020 13:03:59 GMT
MsMoviestar has been a shameless, unabashed Kidman hater since the IMDB days, and I've always known that. She doesn't pretend otherwise and never has, and on some level I can at least respect that. She is a hater and she owns it. I appreciate the directness.
Your cowardly, disingenuous concern troll bullshit is just the worst. And you do it with a lot of things and people, not just Kidman.
I don't like you. You from my perspective, are a genuinely terrible person lacking in ethics and a moral compass, who constantly reinoforces that with his shitty behavior. I respond to you on this, because you are the only person I know for a fact is completely disingenuous in what he says.
Try and become a better human being, dude. It's probably too late and you likely don't have it in you, but self improvement is a thing.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 29, 2020 13:14:10 GMT
Kidman and Reese Witherspoon get it, and I think they have completely changed the game for actresses their age. Wouldn't you say Glenn Close paved the way for them in this regard? Hollywood A-Listers really didn't "do" TV regularly before her. I think Glenn Close did Damages (a great show, btw) in a time when TV was seen as a retirement option for movie stars, especially women. Movie stars have always done TV, but Big Little Lies felt like a real game changer, particularly for actresses, but even male actors. Suddenly A-lister movie stars who never seemed close to doing TV all wanted their own cable or streaming limited series. I guess that's why I mostly credit Witherspoon and Kidman with this new wave of A-listers still in their relative primes now all being willing to do TV. Without them, I don't think you see Julia Roberts in Homecoming or Cate Blanchett in Mrs America or Emma Stone in Maniac.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 13:18:48 GMT
Wouldn't you say Glenn Close paved the way for them in this regard? Hollywood A-Listers really didn't "do" TV regularly before her. I think Glenn Close did Damages (a great show, btw) in a time when TV was seen as a retirement option for movie stars, especially women. Movie stars have always done TV, but Big Little Lies felt like a real game changer, particularly for actresses, but even male actors. Suddenly A-listers who never seemed close to doing TV wanted their own cable or streaming limited series. I guess that's why I credit Witherspoon and Kidman with this new wave of A-listers still in their relative primes now all being willing to do TV. Close did TV when she really didn't have to, though - as far as I know, she's the only actor to ever be nominated for an Emmy, an Oscar, and a Tony all in the same year (1984). Even back in 2011, when she was nominated for an Oscar and an Emmy in the same year, that seemed like a really rare feat - obviously not any longer. Anyway, just food for thought. I love both Damages and Big Little Lies.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 29, 2020 13:24:02 GMT
I think Glenn Close did Damages (a great show, btw) in a time when TV was seen as a retirement option for movie stars, especially women. Movie stars have always done TV, but Big Little Lies felt like a real game changer, particularly for actresses, but even male actors. Suddenly A-listers who never seemed close to doing TV wanted their own cable or streaming limited series. I guess that's why I credit Witherspoon and Kidman with this new wave of A-listers still in their relative primes now all being willing to do TV. Close did TV when she really didn't have to, though - as far as I know, she's the only actor to ever be nominated for an Emmy, an Oscar, and a Tony all in the same year (1984). Even back in 2011, when she was nominated for an Oscar and an Emmy in the same year, that seemed like a really rare feat - obviously not any longer. Anyway, just food for thought. I love both Damages and Big Little Lies. I wouldn't say Close's movie career was completely dead when she started shifting to TV, but looking at her IMDB post-2000, it looked like she was becoming another victim of Meryl Streep hogging up all the good film roles for actresses in their age group
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 13:30:31 GMT
Close did TV when she really didn't have to, though - as far as I know, she's the only actor to ever be nominated for an Emmy, an Oscar, and a Tony all in the same year (1984). Even back in 2011, when she was nominated for an Oscar and an Emmy in the same year, that seemed like a really rare feat - obviously not any longer. Anyway, just food for thought. I love both Damages and Big Little Lies. I wouldn't say Close's movie career was completely dead when she started shifting to TV, but looking at her IMDB post-2000, it looked like she was becoming another victim of Meryl Streep hogging up all the good film roles for actresses in their age group Definitely - it's the same story for all English-speaking actresses in that age range. But I guess my central argument is that Close was instrumental in helping to remove the stigma of television for movie stars.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 29, 2020 13:41:30 GMT
Close did TV when she really didn't have to, though - as far as I know, she's the only actor to ever be nominated for an Emmy, an Oscar, and a Tony all in the same year (1984). I know we've talked about this before @tyler - but these are the names that usually get credit for it, below - though I'd have to look up if they were all "within the year" itself or just "within the awards year"......... I believe when Close did Something About Amelia (1984) - she was in her late 30s (?) and had done TV before that even too......I think her and Kevin Spacey were crucial for it when they jumped to series TV that now you have stars/Oscar winners doing series TV work rather than just movies on TV (Bridges, Douglas, Pacino, Irons)........as I say all the time, the closest you can get to Close's work ethic (I think?) - and the disparity of work across all mediums is ...........sort of (gulp) Olivier.....her consistent working of the 3 mediums is what separates her imo. Anyway there were some others in some ways....... Holly Hunter in her hottest period was a force on TV and Film at least (TV's Roe VS. Wade, The Positively True Adventures of the Alleged Texas Cheerleader-Murdering Mom) etc. 1. Maureen Stapleton 1959 2. Jason Robards 1978 3. Glenn Close 1984 4. Paul Newman 2003 5. Alan Alda 2005 6. Laurie Metcalf 2018
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Post by notacrook on Oct 29, 2020 19:35:56 GMT
Saw a production of this play a couple years back. It swerves from starkly powerful to laughably melodramatic, but there's definitely a lot of meaty material in there, particularly with the mother character (who I assume Kidman will play). Very interested to see this come together.
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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 29, 2020 19:55:10 GMT
For those wondering about Kidman and headlining movies, she has two films in development with Amazon as part of her first look deal with them. The Female Persuasion:variety.com/2018/film/news/nicole-kidman-amazon-female-persuasion-1202958646/And My Lovely Wife, which was acquired by Amazon for Kidman earlier this year: deadline.com/2020/02/my-lovely-wife-movie-deal-nicole-kidman-amazon-studios-blossom-films-samantha-downing-bestseller-1202870547/Both seem like acting vehicles for her. I almost feel like she can just go to Amazon with any TV or film project she thinks of and get them to say yes . A crazy position to be in for an actress at her age. They are really all-in on her. She's turning into the modern female equivalent of Kirk Douglas or Burt Lancaster, stars who helped restructure the studio system in the 1950's by producing and generating so much of their own work. I almost feel like she has way more industry clout now at 53, than when she was regarded as arguably the top female star in Hollywood in the early to mid 2000s.
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