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Post by pupdurcs on Oct 21, 2020 19:46:59 GMT
Netflix submitting Chadwick in Lead. This is quite the flex. Boseman's character is borderline lead in the play, but depending on the perspective they could've made him a plausible supporting candidate in a way that they couldn't for someone like Delroy Lindo (whom they are also running lead). Surrendering a nearly sure thing in supporting for a shot at lead, even with Boseman's narrative, against someone with Hopkins's stature and career-peak raves (and who will likely take BAFTA with ease) is . . . well, I just don't see why they'd do that. Maybe Netflix is confident Boseman is strong enough to win lead. Definitely an interesting flex. Certainly makes both the male actor races more interesting though.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Oct 21, 2020 19:52:16 GMT
Netflix submitting Chadwick in Lead. Interesting. He might get double nominated for Ma Rainey's Black Bottom and Da 5 Bloods. Supporting Actor this year is all over the place that its a possibility, wouldn't be surprised honestly.
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Post by stephen on Oct 21, 2020 19:52:26 GMT
Incredibly stupid move - it appears so anyway - where he could likely win in support he has Hopkins, Hanks now (still think Hanks is a big threat to Hopkins here)........ Sight unseen, I really don't think Hanks is a threat to Hopkins. I think where Hanks really becomes a threat to win is his potential against-type turn as Colonel Tom Parker in the Elvis film. If he sticks the landing there, he silences any naysayers who say that he can't play anything other than good guys, and if 2021/22 is weak on the field in either category, he's strong there on the back of potential consecutive nominations. Meanwhile, Hopkins has the raves and the studio and he's already campaigning -- he wants this one by the looks of it. There's genuinely no reason for Netflix to have taken this risk. Supporting Actor is as thin on the ground for contenders as it has been in well over a decade. Boseman could've won it in a walk, as long as he was actually good in it. But with him out of the category (and Lindo still poised in lead), who's Netflix going to be backing? Rylance will probably be the Trial of the Chicago 7 nominee (with Keaton, Langella or Abdul-Mateen II possibly in the wings), and Dance is probably going to be Mank's big push in the category. But I see no upside to Netflix doing this. A goodwill narrative for a late cultural icon like Boseman helps his campaign, but Netflix just made it a helluva lot harder on themselves to actually win out.
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Post by stephen on Oct 21, 2020 19:54:56 GMT
This is quite the flex. Boseman's character is borderline lead in the play, but depending on the perspective they could've made him a plausible supporting candidate in a way that they couldn't for someone like Delroy Lindo (whom they are also running lead). Surrendering a nearly sure thing in supporting for a shot at lead, even with Boseman's narrative, against someone with Hopkins's stature and career-peak raves (and who will likely take BAFTA with ease) is . . . well, I just don't see why they'd do that. Maybe Netflix is confident Boseman is strong enough to win lead. Definitely an interesting flex. Certainly makes both the male actor races more interesting though. Supporting Actor damn sure blew wide open. I expect WB to dock Daniel Kaluuya there to take advantage of the void (and if they do, watch out for him as a potential winner) and Steven Yeun might have muscle to squeak in as well. I'm already hearing buzz on Richard E. Grant as well -- could be they want to make it up to him for getting robbed in 2018.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Oct 21, 2020 22:00:09 GMT
Apparently Denzel Washington pushed for Boseman to go lead. Sounds like he was able to persuade Netflix to doing this as a producer on the film. I initially thought it was all Netflix, and that would’ve been a huge sign of confidence to me. This, I’m not so sure. Washington also reportedly wanted Viola Davis to go lead for Fences, and that was definitely not the right move from an award perspective. She was sort of borderline, but spend a lot of time in the background and taking a backseat to his much more loud and showy performance.
I feel like Boseman could pull it off, and I’m not quite as high on Hopkins as reviews after seeing The Father, but it’s hard to see him losing BAFTA no matter what happens prior. Should be a fun race. Kyle Buchanan has also seen both and is insisting that Boseman will win, so there’s that.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Oct 21, 2020 22:01:26 GMT
Maybe Netflix is confident Boseman is strong enough to win lead. Definitely an interesting flex. Certainly makes both the male actor races more interesting though. Supporting Actor damn sure blew wide open. I expect WB to dock Daniel Kaluuya there to take advantage of the void (and if they do, watch out for him as a potential winner) and Steven Yeun might have muscle to squeak in as well. I'm already hearing buzz on Richard E. Grant as well -- could be they want to make it up to him for getting robbed in 2018. Yeun would be insane category fraud. I normally don’t care much about that sort of thing, but I just don’t see that one panning out.
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Post by cheesecake on Oct 21, 2020 22:32:09 GMT
Netflix submitting Chadwick in Lead.
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Post by flasuss on Oct 21, 2020 22:47:59 GMT
Netflix submitting Chadwick in Lead. This is quite the flex. Boseman's character is borderline lead in the play, but depending on the perspective they could've made him a plausible supporting candidate in a way that they couldn't for someone like Delroy Lindo (whom they are also running lead). Surrendering a nearly sure thing in supporting for a shot at lead, even with Boseman's narrative, against someone with Hopkins's stature and career-peak raves (and who will likely take BAFTA with ease) is . . . well, I just don't see why they'd do that.
Yeah, but then I remember Netflix were the guys that thought it was a good idea to submit True Detective s01 as Drama rather than Limited Series so they could take on the final season of Breaking Bad...
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Post by speeders on Oct 21, 2020 22:54:44 GMT
This is quite the flex. Boseman's character is borderline lead in the play, but depending on the perspective they could've made him a plausible supporting candidate in a way that they couldn't for someone like Delroy Lindo (whom they are also running lead). Surrendering a nearly sure thing in supporting for a shot at lead, even with Boseman's narrative, against someone with Hopkins's stature and career-peak raves (and who will likely take BAFTA with ease) is . . . well, I just don't see why they'd do that.
Yeah, but then I remember Netflix were the guys that thought it was a good idea to submit True Detective s01 as Drama rather than Limited Series so they could take on the final season of Breaking Bad...
Netflix had nothing to do with True Detective, that's HBO.
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Post by dadsburgers on Oct 21, 2020 22:57:02 GMT
Not to mention Netflix is now pitting him against Lindo, who could very well win Lead still. Lindo and Boseman could've both walked away with trophies.
Plus, I can't picture Boseman getting nominated for Da 5 Bloods. I think it's more likely that voters put him Supporting for Ma Rainey a la Winslet 2008
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Post by mhynson27 on Oct 22, 2020 1:50:03 GMT
Not to mention Netflix is now pitting him against Lindo, who could very well win Lead still. Lindo and Boseman could've both walked away with trophies. Plus, I can't picture Boseman getting nominated for Da 5 Bloods. I think it's more likely that voters put him Supporting for Ma Rainey a la Winslet 2008 Lindo had no shot at winning even before Boseman got pushed Lead.
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Post by flasuss on Oct 22, 2020 21:28:59 GMT
Yeah, but then I remember Netflix were the guys that thought it was a good idea to submit True Detective s01 as Drama rather than Limited Series so they could take on the final season of Breaking Bad...
Netflix had nothing to do with True Detective, that's HBO. Oh, right, I don't know why I thought that, LMAO!
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Post by stephen on Nov 14, 2020 16:46:08 GMT
Embargo on this breaks tonight. Stay tuned.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 15, 2020 4:02:44 GMT
Looks like the Best Actor and Best Actress wimners could be coming from this movie judging by the reactions. Incredible reactions for both Boseman and Davis:
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Post by Savager on Nov 15, 2020 4:14:02 GMT
Looks like the Best Actor and Best Actress wimners could be coming from this movie judging by the reactions. Incredible reactions for both Boseman and DavisNot convinced that Davis can win going by the reactions. Boseman seems to be overshadowing her, and apparently her role is borderline supporting. Boseman does seem like he will be tough to beat. He's got the performance and the narrative.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 15, 2020 4:17:17 GMT
Some people are going to play down Davis chances because Boseman is being touted more as the shoo-in for a posthumous Oscar. But crucially they are not competing against each other, her notices are still excellent and say she is transformative, and her only serious competition appears to be 2 time winner in a subtle role. She has weaker competition.
Feel a bit bad for Hopkins. Boseman just out-undeniabled him.
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Post by pupdurcs on Nov 15, 2020 4:24:07 GMT
Looks like the Best Actor and Best Actress wimners could be coming from this movie judging by the reactions. Incredible reactions for both Boseman and DavisNot convinced that Davis can win going by the reactions. Boseman seems to be overshadowing her, and apparently her role is borderline supporting. Boseman does seem like he will be tough to beat. He's got the performance and the narrative. See my reaction above. Davis reviews are clearly outstanding and hail her for being transformative, borderline supporting performances have won lead many times, and she has even weaker competition than Boseman (whom she is not in competition with). I'm sure some will over-egg the narrative that Boseman is percieved as more undeniable (especially with his posthumous narrative), but I'm not getting anything that suggests she still can't win pretty easily. Her only competition for now is two-time oscar winner Frances McDormand in a subtle, non-transformative role. Chadwick will win likely because he is undeniable. Davis will win likely because her competition isn't that outstanding and she naturally makes sense as a two-time winner (and it's still pretty shameful that Halle Berry is the only black woman to have won Best Actress, a stat the Academy has probably wanted to fix for awhile. Davis will have a very strong narrative to win). I mean, people are getting desperate enough to tout Vanessa Kirby as a potential Viola-beater for a film with 69 on metacritic (the Volpi Cup won't be enough girl, and I thought her film would be stronger when she won it) with zero hopes of a Best Picture nod. I guess it's more exciting to inject doubt in a race, but the reality may end up being more prosaic.
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Post by stephen on Nov 15, 2020 4:33:03 GMT
Hell yeah, now we got us a race in both categories.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Nov 15, 2020 4:41:56 GMT
Looks like the Best Actor and Best Actress wimners could be coming from this movie judging by the reactions. Incredible reactions for both Boseman and Davis:
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Post by TerryMontana on Nov 15, 2020 14:57:17 GMT
I dunno... I still think Hopkins and McDormand are the front runners.
Especially McDo, even if a third one, just a few years after the second might feel too much.
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Post by finniussnrub on Nov 15, 2020 20:02:46 GMT
Possible two posthumous wins in one year, though initial reactions sometimes are a little too quick to declare a winner.
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Post by speeders on Nov 15, 2020 20:17:26 GMT
Possible two posthumous wins in one year, though initial reactions sometimes are a little too quick to declare a winner. Who is the other?
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Post by stephen on Nov 15, 2020 20:19:01 GMT
Possible two posthumous wins in one year, though initial reactions sometimes are a little too quick to declare a winner. Yeah, everyone's trigger-happy to call the race now, but truth is, there's a lot of race to be run.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 15, 2020 20:23:36 GMT
Possible two posthumous wins in one year, though initial reactions sometimes are a little too quick to declare a winner. Who is the other? Jack Fincher's screenplay. I think that one's less certain. Reviews for Mank aren't overwhelmingly great and the script is where most of the criticism is.
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Post by finniussnrub on Nov 15, 2020 22:19:09 GMT
Jack Fincher's screenplay. I think that one's less certain. Reviews for Mank aren't overwhelmingly great and the script is where most of the criticism is. Not sure I agree, as Boseman's field is frankly a lot stronger. Mank was as well received as Trial of the Chicago 7(better in the case of metacritic), which appears to be its only major competition at the moment. Plus the narrative of the son fulfilling a father's dream is great campaign fodder.
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