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Post by doddgerhardt on Sept 26, 2020 3:47:27 GMT
Lucky Number Slevin to me. Lesser Tarantino ripoff? Probably, but I enjoy it.
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Post by mhynson27 on Sept 26, 2020 4:01:36 GMT
I still genuinely enjoy The Cat in the Hat.
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Post by stephen on Sept 26, 2020 4:03:32 GMT
Lucky Number Slevin fucking rules. It's my Original Screenplay win that year, and I consider it better than most Tarantino films. Come at me.
Only God Forgives isn't faultless but I think it's still an excellent film.
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Post by doddgerhardt on Sept 26, 2020 4:13:10 GMT
Lucky Number Slevin fucking rules. It's my Original Screenplay win that year, and I consider it better than most Tarantino films. Come at me. Only God Forgives isn't faultless but I think it's still an excellent film. Why do you think Lucky Number Slevin got ragged on?
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Sept 26, 2020 4:18:29 GMT
Spring Breakers, The Beach Bum, Marie Antoinette, Funny Games US.
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Post by stephen on Sept 26, 2020 4:52:42 GMT
Lucky Number Slevin fucking rules. It's my Original Screenplay win that year, and I consider it better than most Tarantino films. Come at me. Only God Forgives isn't faultless but I think it's still an excellent film. Why do you think Lucky Number Slevin got ragged on? Most of the quippy crime flicks of that era kinda got piled on all at once, being called Tarantino or Guy Ritchie knockoffs, and admittedly its too-cool-for-school style might rub some people the wrong way. But I really like it.
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Post by Nikan on Sept 26, 2020 5:24:45 GMT
I remember catching that movie on TV (PERSIAN tv mind you) half way through and years ago...still have a fond memory of it.
I also thought Halloween 3, Crash and Only God Forgives don't deserve half the hate they received.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Sept 26, 2020 5:35:54 GMT
Man on Fire. Can make an argument it’s Tony Scott’s best film along with a top 7 Denzel Washington performance which is saying something. The whole cast brought it for this film and it has a lot of heart as well. One of the great action thrillers of the 21st century from one of the masters of the genre.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Sept 26, 2020 5:47:00 GMT
Man on Fire. Can make an argument it’s Tony Scott’s best film along with a top 7 Denzel Washington performance which is saying something. The whole cast brought it for this film and it has a lot of heart as well. One of the great action thrillers of the 21st century from one of the masters of the genre. Honestly, if the film were a good 20 minutes shorter, I definitely think it would have been MUCH better received. Especially in that last half of the film.
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Post by themoviesinner on Sept 26, 2020 7:21:31 GMT
There's a lot:
The Blackout (1997) has a baffling 0% on Rottentomatoes, but for me it's a masterpiece, one of the bleakest and most poignant anti-drug films I've ever seen and definitely Abel Ferrara's (a director I like a lot) best work.
I also consider Sucker Punch (2011) one of the best films of the previous decade.
There are also several blockbuster films like The Great Wall (2016), Warcraft (2016) and Mortal Engines (2018) which I enjoyed a lot and did their job of entertaining much more efficiently than the vast majority of critically acclaimed blockbusters.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 26, 2020 9:32:37 GMT
Man on Fire. Can make an argument it’s Tony Scott’s best film along with a top 7 Denzel Washington performance which is saying something. The whole cast brought it for this film and it has a lot of heart as well. One of the great action thrillers of the 21st century from one of the masters of the genre. Honestly, if the film were a good 20 minutes shorter, I definitely think it would have been MUCH better received. Especially in that last half of the film. I don't think length had anything to do with the critical reception and I don't think it being shorter would have altered how they reviewed it. Man On Fire is a great film, but many critics hated the movie because of it's percieved world view. Remember, this movie came out during George W Bush's Presidency. There was very much a perception in many reviews that MOF tacitly endorsed right-wing post 9/11 dogma that torture was neccesary to get results against terrorists (as seen in the actions of the Creasy character, who tortures his way through the Mexican underworld, and gets great results while doing it). Again most critics err on being left leaning or liberal, and also took offense at Mexico City being portrayed as crime ridden and corrupt, deeming it racist (fairly sure that wasn't the intent, but plenty of critics made that leap). The movie was just weirdly politicised by critics on release, and they viewed it through the lens of 2004 political idealogies. Didn't help that Tony Scott tended to be disrespected by critics at the best of times, so he's someone that critics were not going to give the benefit of the doubt. I feel the same movie if it was directed by a Mexican or South American director might have been lauded by the same critics that ripped it. It's definitely one of those films that many critics who trashed it have since re-evaluated positively, particularly since Scott's unfortunate passing. But ultimately, I think it's one of those films that has built up quite a dedicated following over the years, and that following has made some critics reconsider it (and perhaps a younger generation of critics always grew up liking the film)
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Post by pendragon on Sept 26, 2020 10:17:30 GMT
The Exorcism of Emily Rose
I've always found its tepid critical reception a little odd. Maybe if it had come out in the 2010s, when critics were starting to take horror movies more seriously, it would have been better received. It's a beautifully crafted, well acted (forget Linda Blair, Jennifer Carpenter gives THE demon possessed performance), thought provoking film that cleverly mixes horror and courtroom drama.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 26, 2020 10:46:05 GMT
Oh quite a lot of them .......in fact I'd say that it's somewhat impossible to argue Al Pacino as the best post-Brando actor solely on the basis of his great acclaimed films alone........and there are many films I like just for the acting only. Imo he hadn't given a "special" film performance (not counting his great HBO work) in ~10 years - 2005-2014. Then he suddenly gave 3 in 6 months (!) - and the first 2 Manglehorn and The Humbling are at just ~50% on RT so that's sort of positive but........ I know people who won't see anything that's less than 80% on RT......... which is probably why those people would wrongly pick Daniel Day-Lewis or Tom Hanks as the best post-Brando actors anyway
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Post by finniussnrub on Sept 26, 2020 10:51:12 GMT
Ravenous which feels like some critics didn't cue into the film's intended tone, despite opening with the quote "Eat Me".
Live by Night has flaws, but seemed like critics were frothing at the mouth to tear into the previously acclaimed director on the rise...a somewhat common occurrence. Same with The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou where a lot of critics seemed to randomly go "oh now I hate Wes Anderson's style...just for this film".
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Post by thomasjerome on Sept 26, 2020 11:45:30 GMT
8mm (1999) The Burbs (1989) Suicide Kings (1997) Raising Cain (1992) Exorcism of Emily Rose (2005) Dream Lover (1993) The Comfort of Strangers (1990) Regression (2015) The Mothman Prophecies (2002) Hunting Party (2007) The Skeleton Key (2005) The Weather Man (2005)
Then there are films like "The Thing" (1982) and "Sorcerer" (1977) which got terrible reviews when they initially opened but the reception got better since then.
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 26, 2020 11:53:13 GMT
Hey!!! Slevin is an amazing film!!
Another one that comes to mind is IT Chapter 2.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Sept 26, 2020 13:12:15 GMT
Honestly, if the film were a good 20 minutes shorter, I definitely think it would have been MUCH better received. Especially in that last half of the film. I don't think length had anything to do with the critical reception and I don't think it being shorter would have altered how they reviewed it. Man On Fire is a great film, but many critics hated the movie because of it's percieved world view. Remember, this movie came out during George W Bush's Presidency. There was very much a perception in many reviews that MOF tacitly endorsed right-wing post 9/11 dogma that torture was neccesary to get results against terrorists (as seen in the actions of the Creasy character, who tortures his way through the Mexican underworld, and gets great results while doing it). Again most critics err on being left leaning or liberal, and also took offense at Mexico City being portrayed as crime ridden and corrupt, deeming it racist (fairly sure that wasn't the intent, but plenty of critics made that leap). The movie was just weirdly politicised by critics on release, and they viewed it through the lens of 2004 political idealogies. Didn't help that Tony Scott tended to be disrespected by critics at the best of times, so he's someone that critics were not going to give the benefit of the doubt. I feel the same movie if it was directed by a Mexican or South American director might have been lauded by the same critics that ripped it. It's definitely one of those films that many critics who trashed it have since re-evaluated positively, particularly since Scott's unfortunate passing. But ultimately, I think it's one of those films that has built up quite a dedicated following over the years, and that following has made some critics reconsider it (and perhaps a younger generation of critics always grew up liking the film) Agreed. I wonder how a film like Sicario would’ve been received back during that time.
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Post by Miles Morales on Sept 26, 2020 14:16:54 GMT
I really liked The Fountain. Also, for all their flaws, I also enjoyed Extraction, Jack Reacher, Jagga Jasoos (the reception was really unfair for this one) and The Rise of Skywalker.
Dreams is a masterpiece and yet it has bafflingly low ratings from critics. The Fall is also pretty divisive and I loved it
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Post by speeders on Sept 26, 2020 14:55:47 GMT
The Fountain (2006) Only God Forgives (2013) Funny Games (2008) Dark Water (2005) The Skeleton Key (2005) Scream 4 (2011) The Mothman Prophecies (2002)
And of course the critically butchered Razzie winner The Shining (1980).
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Post by bob-coppola on Sept 26, 2020 15:06:38 GMT
It's the uncoolest thing to say, but Elizabethtown. I find it to be one of Crowe's strongest moments - not as much as Almost Famous, but right there with Jerry Maguire. It's endearing and its obvious flaws are easy for me to overlook. Dunst is genuinely so charismatic in it that I didn't notice first time around how absurd that character is and how worthy of being the OG Manic Pixie Dream Girl that is.
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 26, 2020 15:59:53 GMT
There's a lot: The Blackout (1997) has a baffling 0% on Rottentomatoes, but for me it's a masterpiece, one of the bleakest and most poignant anti-drug films I've ever seen and definitely Abel Ferrara's (a director I like a lot) best work. I also consider Sucker Punch (2011) one of the best films of the previous decade. There are also several blockbuster films like The Great Wall (2016), Warcraft (2016) and Mortal Engines (2018) which I enjoyed a lot and did their job of entertaining much more efficiently than the vast majority of critically acclaimed blockbusters. yeah i will second The Blackout which is probably in my top 5 ferrara flicks, just an absolute masterpiece. i really love I Know Who Killed Me, it's a dream come true. it does have a small cult following now at least. really quirky and lovely flick
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 17:13:47 GMT
Rob Zombie's Halloween II has sort of seen a reappraisal on LB, but it's still generally pretty disliked. It really is one of the most harrowing portrayals of PTSD I've seen in a film.
On a funny note, if this was asked in the 90s I would've said Fire Walk with Me in a heartbeat - who even liked that at the time besides Rivette and Steven Erikson, lol - but the reputation for that has massively grown, especially since The Return came out. Even early 2010s when it was in my Top 10 it wasn't a popular choice and seemed to still be seen as one of Lynch's worst.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Sept 26, 2020 17:21:52 GMT
The Shadow, The Phantom, and a bunch of poorly received to reviewed comedies like The Cable Guy, Big Daddy, and Three Amigos are comedies I enjoy quite a bit.
There are also some Denzel movies that received really negative to mixed reviews that I think are actually quite good like John Q, and Deja Vu. John Q in particular while quite schmaltzy at points, feels more relevant and packs an even bigger punch then ever with its theme of American healthcare being unaffordable for the middle-class.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 26, 2020 17:55:00 GMT
The Shadow, The Phantom, and a bunch of poorly received to reviewed comedies like The Cable Guy, Big Daddy, and Three Amigos are comedies I enjoy quite a bit. There are also some Denzel movies that received really negative to mixed reviews that I think are actually quite good like John Q, and Deja Vu. John Q in particular while quite schmaltzy at points, feels more relevant and packs an even bigger punch then ever with its theme of American healthcare being unaffordable for the middle-class. I watched Deja Vu again this week after seeing Tenet and noticing a lot of similarities. Even I underrated how good that movie is. I liked it more on this rewatch than I had since I last saw it. Wonderful film that holds up really well. Suspenseful, clever with a real beating heart. Great use of a Beach boys song as well. Tony Scott was such an undervalued director by critics. Maybe it's the fact that he was very proud to be seen as a "genre" director and had no obvious aspirations towards making Oscarbait like Ridley, but the guy was an extremely consistent director and also a visionary one in many respects. Little wonder he has directors who critics do place on a pedastal like Christopher Nolan, "homaging" him left and right. I think it'll be fascinating to see retrospectives on Tony Scott in the upcoming decades. I think his reputation and that of several of his films can only rise.
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Post by Mattsby on Sept 26, 2020 18:00:20 GMT
Love this one, sort of insanely fun, and even better in the De Palma-approved restructured edit. "It's not the mileage, honey. It's the make."
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