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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 25, 2020 15:31:14 GMT
Turns out Nicole Kidman is the only Australian actress in history to have won both an Emmy and an Oscar for acting . It's a feat that has been replicated by Geoffrey Rush on the male Australian side (he also has a Tony to boot), but something that is becoming notoriously difficult to replicate on the female side, despite a number of Australian actresses having successful forays into both film and television in Hollywood.
The latest Australian actress who couldn't quite clear the hurdle was double Oscar winner Cate Blanchett, whom despite throwing the kitchen sink at the Emmy's with her prestige limited series biopic Mrs America, lost out to Regina King (who already had 3 Emmys).
Toni Collette and Judy Davis have each won multiple Emmys, but the Oscar has eluded them both, despite having opportunities in film and being Oscar nominated actresses.
Since Blanchett just gave it her best shot on a TV project and missed out, I don't really see any big TV projects on her immediate horizon to give her another shot at the Emmy. She booked quite a few movie roles during the height of the pandemic that should keep her busy for awhile. She'll probably win this poll, but I think the most likely to do it next may actually be....
......Toni Collette (if anyone does it at all, and it's possible none of them do it). I feel like she has got a supporting actresss Oscar win in her, quite possibly in Guillermo Del Toro's Nightmare Alley (which co-stars Blanchett) which will probably be delayed for next year. I can't see Collette ever winning a lead Oscar, but she's still in the game enough in movies to pick up that kind of Laura Dern career supporting win, that AMPAS likes to give out on occasion to commemorate the careers of notable character actresses on film.
Unfortunately, I feel Judy Davis ship for the Oscar has probably sailed, even in the supporting category. She doesn't really get notable roles on film any longer. But anything is possible.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 25, 2020 15:46:37 GMT
Blanchett - Love all 3 but she's the most likely it seems to me..... I think people overrate Collette as an awards horse ......I like her a lot but she's just a 1 time nominee who has been passed over far more than that - I don't know what kind of heat she attracts. Blanchett is the best English speaking language actress in the world outside of Streep - and would have won this year if she was on HBO - to me that was among the best performances of the last 5 years - a real masterclass. I like King, but don't really get why she's become the awards horse that I just accused Collette of not being. The Oscar is the hardest to get so .......Blanchett who I think is also a likely Triple Crown candidate for her career with the often named usual suspects (Rylance, maybe Close imminently, etc.) On the other hand the Emmy is a mess of an awards show - ask the people who still can't figure out how Tom Pelphrey missed this year etc. Never before have the Oscar, Emmy, and especially the Tony's meant less imo......and that's at the same time.   |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Sept 25, 2020 15:50:23 GMT
Blanchett is really the only proper answer. She's still in heavy demand, already has an Oscar, and it's not hard to see her landing another juicy miniseries role that eventually wins her an Emmy.
Collette is possible and she's certainly very well-liked and respected, but a second Oscar nomination has constantly alluded her, even if she gotten closer in the past decade then ever before, with things like Hereditary. I agree about a Laura Dern supporting actor style sweep, though. It just feels inevitable.
Judy Davis basically only works in TV these days (she's in Ratched right now), and hasn't been in a movie in five years!, so it's hard to see her getting another Oscar nomination, unless a great late career role comes around for her a-la Julie Christie in Away From Her or something.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 25, 2020 16:10:15 GMT
Blanchett is really the only proper answer. She's still in heavy demand, already has an Oscar, and it's not hard to see her landing another juicy miniseries role that eventually wins her an Emmy. See, I would have agreed if this was maybe 7 or 8 years ago, but I don't think an Emmy is the gimme prize that it used to be percieved as for prestigious movie actors who deign to do television. Almost everybody does television now, and the quality is arguably better than movies in recent years. There was once a time where Cate Blanchett could have just showed up with a project like Mrs America, and you knew well in advance the Emmy was going to her because she was a prestigious Oscar winner. That is no longer the case. Especially the Actress In A Limited series category, which has become the most highly contested category in recent years (It's usually stuffed with Oscar winners and nominees). You don't just get an easy win based on movie prestige anymore. They actually need to love your performance. I'd agree that Blanchett has a good chance to possibly do it one day, just based on the general health of her career. But I honestly do not think she's guaranteed to win an Emmy with the current level of competition in television, especially if she's going for that particular category each time. I do think it's very concievable that Blanchett never wins an Emmy. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Sept 25, 2020 16:22:42 GMT
Blanchett is really the only proper answer. She's still in heavy demand, already has an Oscar, and it's not hard to see her landing another juicy miniseries role that eventually wins her an Emmy. See, I would have agreed if this was maybe 7 or 8 years ago, but I don't think an Emmy is the gimme prize that it used to be percieved as for prestigious movie actors who deign to do television. Almost everybody does television now, and the quality is arguably better than movies in recent years. There was once a time where Cate Blanchett could have just showed up with a project like Mrs America, and you knew well in advance the Emmy was going to her because she was a prestigious Oscar winner. That is no longer the case. Especially the Actress In A Limited series category, which has become the most highly contested category in recent years (It's usually stuffed with Oscar winners and nominees). You don't just get an easy win based on movie prestige anymore. They actually need to love your performance. I'd agree that Blanchett has a good chance to possibly do it one day, just based on the general health of her career. But I honestly do not think she's guaranteed to win an Emmy with the current level of competition in television, especially if she's going for that particular category each time. I do think it's very concievable that Blanchett never wins an Emmy. That's fair. There's not really a huge huge difference between movies and cable / streaming TV these days (the kind of programs that Cate would probably latch herself onto) like there was 20 years ago, so the category isn't as competitively rich anymore, but it isn't hard to see the Emmys just awarding her out of the blue because she delivers a performance that they love due to her being that kind of actress. I agree the huge amount of movie stars / movie actresses doing TV work nowadays is probably her biggest hurdled, and why it's much easier to imagine winning an Emmy later as opposed to now. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 25, 2020 16:32:46 GMT
See, I would have agreed if this was maybe 7 or 8 years ago, but I don't think an Emmy is the gimme prize that it used to be percieved as for prestigious movie actors who deign to do television. Almost everybody does television now, and the quality is arguably better than movies in recent years. There was once a time where Cate Blanchett could have just showed up with a project like Mrs America, and you knew well in advance the Emmy was going to her because she was a prestigious Oscar winner. That is no longer the case. Especially the Actress In A Limited series category, which has become the most highly contested category in recent years (It's usually stuffed with Oscar winners and nominees). You don't just get an easy win based on movie prestige anymore. They actually need to love your performance. I'd agree that Blanchett has a good chance to possibly do it one day, just based on the general health of her career. But I honestly do not think she's guaranteed to win an Emmy with the current level of competition in television, especially if she's going for that particular category each time. I do think it's very concievable that Blanchett never wins an Emmy. That's fair. There's not really a huge huge difference between movies and cable / streaming TV these days (the kind of programs that Cate would probably latch herself onto) like there was 20 years ago, so the category isn't as competitively rich anymore, but it isn't hard to see the Emmys just awarding her out of the blue because she delivers a performance that they love due to her being that kind of actress. I agree the huge amount of movie stars / movie actresses doing TV work nowadays is probably her biggest hurdled, and why it's much easier to imagine winning an Emmy later as opposed to now. Pretty much. Even though I think Blanchett has better odds of winning an Emmy at some point, than Collette has of winning an Oscar....I feel like an Emmy could easily come late in Blanchett's career because of that increased competition level in television, wheras if Collette is going to win that Laura Dern career supporting Oscar, her window to do that is probably in the next 5-10 years (and I'm sure film critics who love her realise this and will push her to a win if given the opportunity). So that's my logic on Collette possibly doing it first (if at all), even though Blanchett is more likely to do it full stop. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Sept 25, 2020 16:38:48 GMT
That's fair. There's not really a huge huge difference between movies and cable / streaming TV these days (the kind of programs that Cate would probably latch herself onto) like there was 20 years ago, so the category isn't as competitively rich anymore, but it isn't hard to see the Emmys just awarding her out of the blue because she delivers a performance that they love due to her being that kind of actress. I agree the huge amount of movie stars / movie actresses doing TV work nowadays is probably her biggest hurdled, and why it's much easier to imagine winning an Emmy later as opposed to now. Pretty much. Even though I think Blanchett has better odds of winning an Emmy at some point, than Collette has of winning an Oscar....I feel like an Emmy could easily come late in Blanchett's career because of that increased competition level in television, wheras if Collette is going to win that Laura Dern career Oscar, her window to do that is probably in the next 5-10 years (and I'm sure film critics who love her realise this and will push her to a win if given the opportunity). So that's my logic on Collette possibly doing it first (if at all), even though Blanchett is more likely to do it full stop. Yeah, I can see that. Blanchett is already awards praised as is, whereas Collette has been building up a strong turn of under the radar supporting and lead roles in big to biggish movies in the past decade, and is generally considered by critics and film enthusiasts to be one of the most versatility actresses of her generation. Her window for getting an Oscar feels shorter, and thus more inevitable. |
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 25, 2020 18:17:21 GMT
Blanchett!!!
(Yeah, not very objective here.)
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 25, 2020 18:37:06 GMT
Blanchett!!!(Yeah, not very objective here.) I feel like for her next TV vehicle, Blanchett would actually do well to take a leaf out of Kidman's book when it comes to TV. I feel like Kidman has a much better understanding of the power and reach of the medium. The TV projects Blanchett has produced so far (Mrs America and Stateless) fall under the category of "worthy but dull" imho. They are well made enough to get good reviews and some nominations, but will struggle to inspire any passion for TV viewers (or Emmy voters) . They seem like homework. Or conventional Oscarbait that is extended by 6 or 7 hours. Kidman makes TV material that feels like appointment television, like Big Little Lies and from what I can see so far, The Undoing. With something like BLL, there are clearly serious themes woven into the material (like domestic violence), but the primary focus is on entertaining and hooking the audience. I think Blanchett would be well served by doing a vehicle like BLL, where the whole series doesn't feel designed to be a "teachable moment". |
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Post by sirchuck23 on Sept 25, 2020 18:53:39 GMT
Blanchett!!!(Yeah, not very objective here.) I think Blanchett would be well served by doing a vehicle like BLL, where the whole series doesn't feel designed to be a "teachable moment".  |
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Post by futuretrunks on Sept 25, 2020 21:40:58 GMT
Rose Byrne? lol
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 25, 2020 22:37:53 GMT
Well, she has a couple of Emmy nominations with Damages, but that was 13 years ago and she hasn't been nominated since. She's never been near an Oscar nomination. Don't think her career has the juice to do it. I do think if we are talking about outside shots who haven't won either award yet, Elizabeth Debicki's career seems to have enough heat at the moment on both the film and television side, that she might win both one day, even though she's yet to be nominated for either award ( The Night Manager was a bit of a snub, as the Emmys loved that show, but she was an unknown at that point). She's playing Princess Diana on an upcoming season of The Crown, and that show is very much on the Emmys radar. Though the last season got no major Emmy wins, despite plenty of nominations, so they may be a bit over it in terms of wins. She was certainly in the conversation for a supporting actress Oscar nod for Widows.Margot Robbie seems like she should win an Oscar one of these days, though you never know how things play out. Lots of young actresses looked in good position to win an Oscar, but somehow their window ended up closing. Hasn't really focused much on TV though. I think the most likely Australian to next win an Emmy is probably Sarah Snook. She didn't win this year, but as long as Succession doesn't go drastically downhill, I feel like the Emmys will continue to love that show enough for her to nab a win in the next few seasons. Hasn't really made much of an impact in film yet, but that can easily change with the kind of success she's having with her show. |
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Post by stephen on Sept 25, 2020 22:56:24 GMT
I think that we have to assume at this stage, it's Blanchett. She had the misfortune of having her series come out the same year as a groundbreaking, timely HBO project where representation was key, and she was up against a beloved actress in her own right. Had Mrs. America come out a year before or after, it's likely she could've had the momentum to win (FX, after all, netted Michelle Williams the win last year, so if you invert their releases, it's likely Blanchett would be 2/3 of the way to the TC today). I think Blanchett will be back, and the thing about the Emmys is that there are more opportunities in a given year (lead in comedy/drama/limited, supporting in same, guest in the former two, voice acting, etc.) that all she really needs to do is show up on The Simpsons or something in a weak year and she'll win.
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Post by pupdurcs on Sept 25, 2020 23:25:40 GMT
I think that we have to assume at this stage, it's Blanchett. She had the misfortune of having her series come out the same year as a groundbreaking, timely HBO project where representation was key, and she was up against a beloved actress in her own right. Had Mrs. America come out a year before or after, it's likely she could've had the momentum to win (FX, after all, netted Michelle Williams the win last year, so if you invert their releases, it's likely Blanchett would be 2/3 of the way to the TC today). I think Blanchett will be back, and the thing about the Emmys is that there are more opportunities in a given year (lead in comedy/drama/limited, supporting in same, guest in the former two, voice acting, etc.) that all she really needs to do is show up on The Simpsons or something in a weak year and she'll win. I don't think there is any guarantee at all that Blanchett could have won last year. In fact, I think she still would have lost even more heavily, as it was more competitive than this year. The Actress In A Limited series category is brutal, and has been every year for the last couple of years. It's easily as competitive as the equivalent Oscar category, if not moreso. Last year, Amy Adams in Sharp Objects was initially seen as the one to beat for the Emmy in that category as the season began. A beloved 6 time Oscar nominated actress in her prime in a much touted HBO project, on paper, Adams looked like an easy win early on. But like I said, it doesn't work like that any more. Williams won because there was more passion for her performance with voters. Blanchett would have faced the exact same problem last year that she had this year: a lack of passion for her show and performance, despite strong reviews. Williams still beats her, and she probably comes in behind Adams. If not also behind Patricia Arquette for Escape At Dannemora, for which she won the SAG and Golden Globes for limited series actress. Last year had 3 very strong potential winners. This year, Blanchett just had to deal with Regina King, who already had 3 Emmys to her name. I agree that there are more opportunities/categories in TV (though we are talking about live action acting categories. A Simpson voiceover would not count towards a Triple Crown), but busy movie actors like Blanchett tend to be willing to do more TV now, precisely because they can dip in and out of the limited series category. I don't see someone like Blanchett bouncing around TV just to find a category she can win in. |
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Post by futuretrunks on Sept 26, 2020 0:04:46 GMT
Zendaya's heartfelt performance winning an Emmy and Blanchett losing to Watchmen sent me to heaven. Beautiful!
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